Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #1

[kerrin_and_kids]

Has there been any further'celebrity' statements in the news?

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[sweetcaro]

I'm not convinced as to the stepsons allegations and wonder if he may be quite mentally unwell. Perhaps with BiPolar, like my sister. My sister believes things happened growing up that just never happened, really bad stuff she has accused me and Mum off. When she is manic, she really sprouts off (thankfully she has been stable for a year or so now). The stepson really, really reminds me of my sister. I must admit that I see Karen and cannot imagine her being guilty of what he is accusing her off. Of course, appearances can be deceiving and if I am proven wrong will gladly admit to such.

I hope we have answers soon, it really doesn't sound good after so long now.

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[sweetcaro]

Wow just doing FB sleuthing and one of my cousins is friends with one of Karens nieces. First time I have had any link to a case here.

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[moreinfo]

View attachment 98565Oh no!

and also this mornings post shows traintracks.

 

[they'll get you]

and also this mornings post shows traintracks.

Does it show the train wreck too?

This is a whopper.

 

[ScottKam]

Does anyone have a link to the telephone call the daughter gave to the radio station?

I heard the daughter say her parents were arguing about money, and her father made the suggestion that they should maybe have a bigger sale, and her mother 'went ballistic'. Was that said on radio? I think it was 3AW.

If the daughter was home when her parents were arguing, then it is not possible that the husband has murdered the wife, as the wife would have left, and the daughter would have seen her mother leave and her dad stay at home. Sure, he could have called his wife later, arranged a meeting and murdered her. But it becomes less plausible.

If the mother was opening the shop, she would have to have been there before 9am and i doubt there would have been an argument that early. I am not sure if Karen was to open the shop; i only know that she did not arrive at work. The daughter was present during the argument, i think. Maybe someone else was scheduled to open that day and Karen to go in later.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I'm not convinced as to the stepsons allegations and wonder if he may be quite mentally unwell. Perhaps with BiPolar, like my sister. My sister believes things happened growing up that just never happened, really bad stuff she has accused me and Mum off. When she is manic, she really sprouts off (thankfully she has been stable for a year or so now). The stepson really, really reminds me of my sister. I must admit that I see Karen and cannot imagine her being guilty of what he is accusing her off. Of course, appearances can be deceiving and if I am proven wrong will gladly admit to such.

I hope we have answers soon, it really doesn't sound good after so long now.

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You could be right actually ...

 

[ozazure]

I heard that clip of the radio, I believe she was repeating what her Dad told her had happened. I am looking for a link, no luck so far. I believe it was early on, right at the start of July. She certainly seems a lot more distressed and concerned now, so I genuinely think she believed Mum was off on her own accord at the start.

eta - that clip and media references to it seem to have gone.

 

[moreinfo]

have you read the latest on "kidspot"

 

[Puggle]

A young woman who walks dogs daily in the grassland told the Herald Sun yesterday a middle-aged man had accosted her twice in recent months.

The first time, she picked up her dog and the man said something about it being “nice and close to your breasts”. The second time he asked if he could walk with her.

She thinks the last time she saw him was three weeks ago, not long before Karen Ristevski disappeared. Just another thing for police to look into.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...e/news-story/66a153e8938c2760cb378ea683bd4c18

This is something else really worthy of consideration....that she has met with foul play on the track.

The Melbournes North especially the walking trails and bike trails seem to be a magnet for predatory attacks .... there have been many recorded incidents of women being approached......

I remember how Jill Meagers husband had to endure all the speculation ......

Just thought it worth bringing "they'll get you" post back up for consideration....

 

[ScottKam]

This is something else really worthy of consideration....that she has met with foul play on the track.

The Melbournes North especially the walking trails and bike trails seem to be a magnet for predatory attacks .... there have been many recorded incidents of women being approached......

I remember how Jill Meagers husband had to endure all the speculation ......

Just thought it worth bringing "they'll get you" post back up for consideration....

I agree that bike paths along rivers are shady. As scenic as they are to walk along, it seems like creeps frequent them and are prone to antisocial behaviour like flashing, assaulting, etc.

I get this suspicion that Karen did not go along that path behind the house and along the river. I am not sure if police are certain as to what path she took. It seems like police are clueless as to which direction she took- bike path or footpath, which is why they were asking for people in nearby areas to provide CCTV footage. There are so many loose ends here; the police are not telling us everything. I reckon there is zero chance she went for a walk behind her house. ZERO. She must have walked along the footpath, which means either she left with some friend of hers (contacted on a second phone no one knew about- otherwise her own phone would be traced) or someone kidnapped her. There are too many open possibilities without the police narrowing it down, and they don't seem to be keen on offering more details. They must know something. Perhaps they suspect the husband or his brother, and they want nearby footage to see if anyone is captured on it, to then catch someone in a lie. That would be really telling for them. If they catch Borce or his brother in some lie, when footage shows them elsewhere, then they're cooked. Something like this is at play.

I think the so called stepson seems like an irrelevant line of inquiry. Here is more, in the comments section, regarding the stepson. The most recent comments seem interesting, for what they're worth:
https://aussiecriminals.com.au/2016/07/14/what-happened-to-melbourne-woman-karen-ristevski/#comments

 

[ScottKam]

I also remember mention of Karen having an illness. Nothing further was said about this. This might be a factor.

To be quite honest, anything could be possible at this stage. We just don't have enough information. The media did their best, if you ask me, to make the husband look guilty. Although this looks highly likely, it could also be wrong. We just need more info.

 

[Puggle]

I agree that bike paths along rivers are shady. As scenic as they are to walk along, it seems like creeps frequent them and are prone to antisocial behaviour like flashing, assaulting, etc.

I get this suspicion that Karen did not go along that path behind the house and along the river. I am not sure if police are certain as to what path she took. It seems like police are clueless as to which direction she took- bike path or footpath, which is why they were asking for people in nearby areas to provide CCTV footage. There are so many loose ends here; the police are not telling us everything. I reckon there is zero chance she went for a walk behind her house. ZERO. She must have walked along the footpath, which means either she left with some friend of hers (contacted on a second phone no one knew about- otherwise her own phone would be traced) or someone kidnapped her. There are too many open possibilities without the police narrowing it down, and they don't seem to be keen on offering more details. They must know something. Perhaps they suspect the husband or his brother, and they want nearby footage to see if anyone is captured on it, to then catch someone in a lie. That would be really telling for them. If they catch Borce or his brother in some lie, when footage shows them elsewhere, then they're cooked. Something like this is at play.

I think the so called stepson seems like an irrelevant line of inquiry. Here is more, in the comments section, regarding the stepson. The most recent comments seem interesting, for what they're worth:
https://aussiecriminals.com.au/2016/07/14/what-happened-to-melbourne-woman-karen-ristevski/#comments

Can you expand on your reason for thinking there is ZERO chance she went for a walk behind he house?....

Also this illness you mention....can you elaborate any further....I haven't seen anything in MSM....

 

[they'll get you]

Karen Chetcuti was raped, murdered and burnt by her neighbour who was on parol. Jill Meagher was raped, murdered then buried by another out on parol....the list goes on.

Possibly Karen has innocently crossed paths with one of these MANY misfits that the Victorian Parol Board loves to pepper back into our community.

 

[ScottKam]

Can you expand on your reason for thinking there is ZERO chance she went for a walk behind he house?....

Also this illness you mention....can you elaborate any further....I haven't seen anything in MSM....

When the family first came out to plead for clues it was mentioned that she has an illness, so she cannot be away for too long. That's how i took it. I, for some reason, assumed it was a mental illness, though i have no evidence for that, it was just something i assumed, but it could very well be any illness, like diabetes or something else, which needs medication, and her going missing disables her from taking that medication.

The bike path scenario seems like far fetched to me. They say it is a busy bike path, so someone would have had to knock her out, carry her back to a car, and then drive off. It seems highly unlikely that would have happened on a busy bike path without anyone seeing it. It is of course possible, though doubtful. The bike path theory is associated with the river. The idea is that if something happened on that side of the house, then she would have ended up in the river. That she is not in the river, means she was not on that bike path. That is how i am reading it. I don't know if the bike path has easy access to nearby cars without long walks. Karen was small so rendering her unconscious could then enable one to carry her away, and she is not heavy. That is possible, though i just think the bike path theory is a pipe dream.

She was carrying her handbag. I'm not sure if she was going to work after her walk. I think she just went for a walk and was to come back home to get her car to then leave for work. But maybe she was to go to work after she went to clear her head, directly going to work after she went for that walk. This is suspicious. People going for walks and not coming back bespeaks spousal murder.

I don't know, i am confused, and without more info, even an alien abduction cannot be ruled out. The facebook posts just add another, awkward, farcical dimension.

 

[ScottKam]

Karen Chetcuti was raped, murdered and burnt by her neighbour who was on parol. Jill Meagher was raped, murdered then buried by another out on parol....the list goes on.

Possibly Karen has innocently crossed paths with one of these MANY misfits that the Victorian Parol Board loves to pepper back into our community.

I think because the media conditioned us to think it was the husband, that the random perp theory seems to have taken a back seat, at least in my mind. It is entirely possible, though with so much focus on the husband, it seems i find it difficult to countenance the stranger theory. The reporter outright asking Borce whether he murdered his wife has sealed this idea that the husband did it. It's actually annoying as objectivity has been skewed. It is possible that the husband didn't do it.

At this point, anything is possible. Possibly the husband's brother did it in order to get rid of Karen and to help out Borce take sole control of the assets. This is less likely, though i have thought of the brothers acting in concert to effect her death in order to take over the assets. That, i think, is highly likely. I just cannot get away from the money angle, though it does skew my perspective, which annoys me, as it is highly likely- in this PATHETIC STATE- which lets random criminals roam the streets with lenient sentences to murder random people. So, who the **** knows.

One thing is for sure, the cops know more. PLUS, the cops also need more evidence, at the very least, and hopefully it is only that. That is, hopefully they know what happened and only need more evidence, like CCTV footage to prove what they know in a court of law. Otherwise, if they need CCTV footage to have a clue in the first place, heaven help everyone because they're as clueless as we are. I don't know which of the two is true, i'm hoping the first, because the second could very well leave this a cold case.

 

[Puggle]

When the family first came out to plead for clues it was mentioned that she has an illness, so she cannot be away for too long. That's how i took it. I, for some reason, assumed it was a mental illness, though i have no evidence for that, it was just something i assumed, but it could very well be any illness, like diabetes or something else, which needs medication, and her going missing disables her from taking that medication.

The bike path scenario seems like far fetched to me. They say it is a busy bike path, so someone would have had to knock her out, carry her back to a car, and then drive off. It seems highly unlikely that would have happened on a busy bike path without anyone seeing it. It is of course possible, though doubtful. The bike path theory is associated with the river. The idea is that if something happened on that side of the house, then she would have ended up in the river. That she is not in the river, means she was not on that bike path. That is how i am reading it. I don't know if the bike path has easy access to nearby cars without long walks. Karen was small so rendering her unconscious could then enable one to carry her away, and she is not heavy. That is possible, though i just think the bike path theory is a pipe dream.

She was carrying her handbag. I'm not sure if she was going to work after her walk. I think she just went for a walk and was to come back home to get her car to then leave for work. But maybe she was to go to work after she went to clear her head, directly going to work after she went for that walk. This is suspicious. People going for walks and not coming back bespeaks spousal murder.

I don't know, i am confused, and without more info, even an alien abduction cannot be ruled out. The facebook posts just add another, awkward, farcical dimension.

Great answer.... personally...Im ruling out alien abduction though...

My thoughts on illness is Asthma. ..... cant back that up with a link...but Ill stick with it regardless.

Id imagine the trail is used by many locals on a regular basis...daily...not sure of traffic on a Wednesday morning at 10 though...a google earth search of the walking track can provide..... provoke some further thoughts and ideas maybe...

The sticking point for me on a domestic side ....to counter those thoughts.. is......was the daughter home or was her statement simply what was relayed to her by her Dad..being that they argued about finances ....Karen went to clear her head.....either way....its not painting a pretty picture....so would someone guilty of wrongdoing offer up such damaging statements to her disappearance....or is this honesty. ..

If the daughter wasn't present...then any other less alarming story could have been told.......its the transparency of the circumstances of her leaving..last sighting...that has me intrigued

 

[Sarahjoy20]

I saw something on FB about the illness being Asthma too.
Hopefully she is found soon.

 

[ScottKam]

Great answer.... personally...Im ruling out alien abduction though...

My thoughts on illness is Asthma. ..... cant back that up with a link...but Ill stick with it regardless.

Id imagine the trail is used by many locals on a regular basis...daily...not sure of traffic on a Wednesday morning at 10 though...a google earth search of the walking track can provide..... provoke some further thoughts and ideas maybe...

The sticking point for me on a domestic side ....to counter those thoughts.. is......was the daughter home or was her statement simply what was relayed to her by her Dad..being that they argued about finances ....Karen went to clear her head.....either way....its not painting a pretty picture....so would someone guilty of wrongdoing offer up such damaging statements to her disappearance....or is this honesty. ..

If the daughter wasn't present...then any other less alarming story could have been told.......its the transparency of the circumstances of her leaving..last sighting...that has me intrigued

Thinking back to the Jill Meagher case, it was a busy road and no one saw anything then. So this bike path, though it may be busy, could very well have had no one on it except for Karen and a crim. I just don't buy the bike path theory, call it a gut feeling. Something else has happened.

I thought the daughter said her parents had an argument and her mother went ballistic. I thought the daughter was present, though someone else in the forum said that the father relayed that information to her daughter. So there is no one to corroborate Borce's account, so far as we know. Thus, it is a mystery as to what really happened insofar as when she left and where she went. This is sus.

 

[ScottKam]

I don't know if i'm the only one that gets this feeling, but don't you feel that if the police were not suspecting it is the husband, wouldn't the police come out and ask for more help? It's as if the police have gone quiet. I find that telling. If it is not the husband, then it is someone else; but it seems as if the police know who it was and they are just putting all of the pieces together. I'm not sure if they'll have enough information, but it just seems as if the police know who it is, for it they did not, wouldn't they be making more noise in the media? They don't seem too worried and pleading for help from the public.

This, for me, tells a story:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/14/10/364282DF00000578-0-image-a-1_1468487378630.jpg
Look who is over the left shoulder of Borce. It was the police officer, senior detective or something.... A picture tells a thousand words indeed.