Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #10

[SouthAussie]

I missed that . . . did Sarah say the "ballistic" event was on 28th?

I also thought we weren't sure whether or not she witnessed it.

Edit: Well, I'm too slow. Ignore.

You're not too slow. I am confused too.

I love Steve Richardson, but I don't consider his post an official MSM link. Because where did he get his info from? He may have been mistaken.

 

[Amalgam]

Oh. I don't recall a report about Sarah saying that Karen went ballistic the previous evening? I didn't think Sarah stated when the ballistic event happened.

Been here all this time and never noticed that. lol Will look for a link so I can get it straight.

I can see a WS post from Steve Richardson saying the ballistic thing was the previous evening ... still looking for an MSM link.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ne-Vic-29-June-2016-6&p=12820411#post12820411

If anyone can find an MSM link, I'd sure appreciate it.

The MSM source disappeared, but you can find a reference to it by ozazure here http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...elbourne-Vic-29-June-2016-3/page26&styleid=21

"I didn't hear about her disappearance until about 2 weeks in when it hit the media again because Borce was interviewed. So I don't know what was said by Sarah at the outset, except for the "ballistic" quote, which also appears to have disappeared now ... it really is strange. No more mention of her "health problem" after the start of July either."

 

[Oona]

Oh. I don't recall a report about Sarah saying that Karen went ballistic the previous evening? I didn't think Sarah stated when the ballistic event happened.

Been here all this time and never noticed that. lol Will look for a link so I can get it straight.

I can see a WS post from Steve Richardson saying the ballistic thing was the previous evening ... still looking for an MSM link.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ne-Vic-29-June-2016-6&p=12820411#post12820411

If anyone can find an MSM link, I'd sure appreciate it.

Sarah speaking to 3AW is in the first video in the MSM link of my post #551.
http://www.9news.com.au/national/201...issing-vic-mum
It does NOT state when the "ballistic" moment happened, only "before". So you are correct.

 

[SouthAussie]

The MSM source disappeared, but you can find a reference to it by ozazure here http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...elbourne-Vic-29-June-2016-3/page26&styleid=21

"I didn't hear about her disappearance until about 2 weeks in when it hit the media again because Borce was interviewed. So I don't know what was said by Sarah at the outset, except for the "ballistic" quote, which also appears to have disappeared now ... it really is strange. No more mention of her "health problem" after the start of July either."

I am not questioning the ballistic statement. I have seen that, for sure. But I don't know that it was reported to be about a ballistic happening the night before, in Sarah's words.

 

[sosocurious]

But the message was sent the day following Karen's disappearance. So BR is assenting to disagreement on the day she disappeared but apparently not commenting on the time.

I find it strange, to put it mildly, that SR asked to be contacted if someone had seen Karen but then wouldn't deal with the call, which was only what she was asking for. You'd think she'd be relieved--oh thank God! you've seen her? And even when Ms Hili hadn't, Karen had only been missing one day and night, why should SR be so distraught as to be speechless? I suggest that SR sent the message knowing that nobody had seen Karen and so not expecting any calls. When the call came, it was terrifying, like a ghost and the threat of discovery.

Oh yeah...
But, Sharryn Hili received the text and called Sarah but had to speak to Borce. She headed straight to the store, no Karen.
It seems that given KR was presumably last seen at 10am on the 29th and had not returned home that day or night. That SH question to BR would probably have been about the evening of the 28th.

Mr Ristevski says staff at the Bella Bleu boutique, which the couple ran at Watergardens shopping centre in Taylors Lakes, rang him later that morning to say Karen had failed to show up for work, leading him to call her frequently on her mobile phone without getting any reply.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...e/news-story/c0c30a0e5cb3c40bfcff881cab6515f3

I have a feeling Borce's phone log was deleted.

 

[SouthAussie]

Sarah speaking to 3AW is in the first video in the MSM link of my post #551. It does NOT state when the "ballistic" moment happened, only "before". So you are correct.

Thanks, Oona. Thought I was going nutty.

It appears to me that Steve Richardson is the one who said that it was the night before. And, as I said earlier, he may have been mistaken as it is not reported anywhere that I can find.


ETA Though I would just like to add, that if it was the night before it would go along with the feeling I have that Karen was murdered during the night/very early morning. (After all that ballistic research ... haha). Not that Steve or any of Karen's birth family have expressed that Karen would go ballistic. They said it was not in her nature. Steve said the worst heard from Karen was the word 'bugger'.

 

[ozazure]

He's the one who mentioned Karen sipping on champagne with him in the Qantas club lounge several times a month, so it makes me wonder if working there is his part-time gig while he's at Uni? He was quick to rattle off their (then) recent purchases as evidence of their stable financial situation. Might be another one keen on appearances.

 

[ozazure]

Sarah speaking to 3AW is in the first video in the MSM link of my post #551.
http://www.9news.com.au/national/201...issing-vic-mum
It does NOT state when the "ballistic" moment happened, only "before". So you are correct.

I have been looking for the video for so long, thanks for linking it!!

Memory is a funny thing, I remember Sarah's demeanor differently so I am glad to have heard it again. My impression was she reported a family discussion the night before which blew up again in the morning, which Borce reported to her, but I am happy to be corrected on that.

Is it possible Sarah only spoke to police on July 2nd but Ms Hili reported sooner, the 30th or 1st?

 

[Amalgam]

The closest I can find is the post by Pepper77 in the link below where tiddles, following a review of ACA footage says "I have just watched 'A CURRENT AFFAIR' stories re Karen's disappearance again.........Apparently, the NIGHT BEFORE Karen went missing, Borce and Sarah were trying to help Karen with ideas on how to improve STORE FIGURES ($$$$'s).......Sarah suggested that Karen have a LARGE SALE......Karen went ballistic and walked away (Sarah's own words in the interview)."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...tevski-47-Melbourne-Vic-29-June-2016-2/page36

 

[suspicious]

I was surprised she still had her passport too. But of course, unless she is charged etc. they really can't stop her from travelling overseas/order her to hand over her passport.
I just find it interesting she is away, maybe she knows something is about to happen regarding her mum's case and thought it'd be best to be away from it all while it happens...

I was thinking it was timely on the police's behalf. Maybe they waited until she left, hoping Borce would crumble with out SR.


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[SouthAussie]

The closest I can find is the post by Pepper77 in the link below where tiddles, following a review of ACA footage says "I have just watched 'A CURRENT AFFAIR' stories re Karen's disappearance again.........Apparently, the NIGHT BEFORE Karen went missing, Borce and Sarah were trying to help Karen with ideas on how to improve STORE FIGURES ($$$$'s).......Sarah suggested that Karen have a LARGE SALE......Karen went ballistic and walked away (Sarah's own words in the interview)."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...tevski-47-Melbourne-Vic-29-June-2016-2/page36

Ahh ... so maybe it was on ACA. I don't generally watch that. I had listened to the 3AW interview though.

I have always thought that Karen was murdered in the night/early morning ... so it would make sense if the argument raged for many hours.

Thanks so much for finding that for me. I really do appreciate it.

 

[Oona]

 

[JLZ]

Thanks, Oona. Thought I was going nutty.

It appears to me that Steve Richardson is the one who said that it was the night before. And, as I said earlier, he may have been mistaken as it is not reported anywhere that I can find.


ETA Though I would just like to add, that if it was the night before it would go along with the feeling I have that Karen was murdered during the night/very early morning. (After all that ballistic research ... haha). Not that Steve or any of Karen's birth family have expressed that Karen would go ballisitc. They said it was not in her nature. Steve said the worst heard from Karen was the word 'bugger'.

My vague recollection is that Steve was talking about Karen's mother there. He said he had the impression that Karen was like her mother and the worst he'd heard from her mother was the word "bugger"? Anyway I'm not sure there's a relationship between using foul language and going ballistic. I go exceedingly ballistic occasionally and I doubt I've sworn even that much.

 

[JLZ]

He's the one who mentioned Karen sipping on champagne with him in the Qantas club lounge several times a month, so it makes me wonder if working there is his part-time gig while he's at Uni? He was quick to rattle off their (then) recent purchases as evidence of their stable financial situation. Might be another one keen on appearances.

Sorry, who are you talking about please?

 

[SouthAussie]

My vague recollection is that Steve was talking about Karen's mother there. He said he had the impression that Karen was like her mother and the worst he'd heard from her mother was the word "bugger"? Anyway I'm not sure there's a relationship between using foul language and going ballistic. I go exceedingly ballistic occasionally and I doubt I've sworn even that much.

Yes, you are right.

I go ballistic sometimes, too, and I swear much more than that while I'm doing it.

 

[JLZ]

According to this link, Sarah did answer Ms Hili's call, but being too distressed to talk, passed the phone to Borce. This is a slightly different version of events to what is reported by the Daily Mail. https://www.who.com.au/article/news/karen-ristevski-case-dad-is-copping-a-lot

I'm not seeking to detract or disagree with your point, just pointing out another source of information, especially as it was asked earlier in the thread whether Sarah answered Ms Hili's call or not.

I think the full Who article was photographed and posted a few weeks back, possibly by SouthAussie. It was the Who version that started me thinking along those lines. It sounded as though BR had been right beside SR when she received the call and presumably when she sent the message. Sent it at his instigation? However, I take your point that the existence of slightly different versions makes it unwise to rely upon the details.

 

[JLZ]

Oh yeah...
But, Sharryn Hili received the text and called Sarah but had to speak to Borce. She headed straight to the store, no Karen.
It seems that given KR was presumably last seen at 10am on the 29th and had not returned home that day or night. That SH question to BR would probably have been about the evening of the 28th.

Mr Ristevski says staff at the Bella Bleu boutique, which the couple ran at Watergardens shopping centre in Taylors Lakes, rang him later that morning to say Karen had failed to show up for work, leading him to call her frequently on her mobile phone without getting any reply.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...e/news-story/c0c30a0e5cb3c40bfcff881cab6515f3

I have a feeling Borce's phone log was deleted.

(BBM)

I'm wondering what BR said. He must have been quite vague, that Ms Hili thought she might find Karen at the store?

 

[hollyfield]

Thank you hollyfield, there are some amazing minds on websleuths albeit not mine. Congratulations on your field and look forward to your thoughts.

thank you for your kind words emirates

 

[ozazure]

Sorry, who are you talking about please?

The person SR is apparently OS with.

 

[JLZ]

I think it is extremely strange for anyone to visit the site almost 5 months after the discovery of Karen's remains. Surely it would be more appropriate to pay your respects at Karen's grave at Williamstown Cemetery. I find the entire family's behavior to be bizarre from day 1 of this tragedy.





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Repeated visits according to Westside Sleuth. I don't know his/her authority for that, but if it's the case, there would seem to be too many visits for them to be due to cleaning-up anxiety. Unless, I suppose, he's obsessive-compulsive. They suggest to me a deep and private mourning, that doesn't want to mingle with Karen's other connections or the thought of them (at the cemetery). I hadn't observed that VR and Karen had a relationship to warrant such brooding? If they had, it might have become a source of discontent or anger for some in the family.