Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #10

[CalliopeGG]

I found their statement a really interesting choice of words. Almost like they're waiting for someone's conscience to give way.

"Ultimately the person who's done this has a story to tell and generally only get one chance to tell it. I encourage them, if they're so inclined, to tell it now,"

I agree. That's the feeling I get too Rosie. I feel they've applied a bit more pressure at anniversary time.

 

[SouthAussie]

I guess decent people find the alternative hard to contemplate. I watch an enormous amount of true crime and it is certainly something that happens more than one would think. There is usually mental illness, adoption, psychopathy, monetary gain, retribution, the parents don't like the boyfriend or a lack of bonding behind it. Think I've covered everything. SR seemed to be on very good terms with her mother until just prior to her disappearance from what we know. It is still something we can't rule out. I don't think she has ever been formally named as a POI in the case. Am I right? All JMO.

You are right. All just honest speculation due to uneasy feelings.


Insp Day said Ms Ristevski’s husband Borce, who has maintained his innocence, was still a person of interest. “Yes he is a suspect, I won’t go into if there are others,”
http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...d/news-story/4fccee1c9cc671e59e21b1bf58700920

 

[JLZ]

Hi everyone. Long time reader, first time poster.

Not sure if this has already been questioned, but is there a possibility that SR is being covered for by BR?

Just a thought that popped up in my mind last night after all of this new information.
She apparently was having heated arguments with mum.
Those iPad key words seem like they come from someone younger who was googling away.
Wouldn't take that phone call from Hili as was apparently too distraught? (Seems a bit odd it you were worried about your mother)
Refuses to talk with police.
Her overall behaviour seems a bit strange.
Going away overseas with a friend with the one year anniversary coming up?

Say SR and KR had an argument about finances and she was accidently pushed down the stairs ending in an unfortunate situation.
Then the father protecting his daughter decides to take the brunt. Covering all tracks and wanting to keep his daughter safe and in uni, full life ahead etc etc etc.

In no way am I pointing any fingers.
Was a mere thought that popped up in my head.

If you wanted to cover up for a child who pushed her mother downstairs and killed her, how would you do it? I think you'd give each other an alibi and play it as an accident that had nothing to do with either of you. If the time frame allows, you and Child were in another room together and heard her slip. There's no reason to hide the body because the cause of death is on your side and you don't want to make it look more like a murder. And you can't be sure the fall and the death haven't left forensic evidence at your home. I don't think BR as a protective parent and grown-brain adult would have "panicked" into so much stupidity. SR alone perhaps, with BR drawn into the lies afterwards.

I don't get why so many of you like the stairs. If it's the statement analysis, in my opinion, if Karen came down the stairs head first, you would have expected strong emotion to be evident when BR said "then, she came downstairs". Not just some event apparently left out of the account between going up and going down.

 

[SouthAussie]

If you wanted to cover up for a child who pushed her mother downstairs and killed her, how would you do it? I think you'd give each other an alibi and play it as an accident that had nothing to do with either of you. If the time frame allows, you and Child were in another room together and heard her slip. There's no reason to hide the body because the cause of death is on your side and you don't want to make it look more like a murder. And you can't be sure the fall and the death haven't left forensic evidence at your home. I don't think BR as a protective parent and grown-brain adult would have "panicked" into so much stupidity. SR alone perhaps, with BR drawn into the lies afterwards.

I don't get why so many of you like the stairs. If it's the statement analysis, in my opinion, if Karen came down the stairs head first, you would have expected strong emotion to be evident when BR said "then, she came downstairs". Not just some event apparently left out of the account between going up and going down.

I was also thinking about the self defence angle. If Karen went ballistic, why was this not given as a reason for her untimely death?

"She came at me with a knife, a struggle ensued, unfortunately the worst outcome then happened"
"She came at me with her fists, I pushed her back, she hit her head"

.... whatever.

 

[Liadan]

Yeah there is definitely more to this silence of the two closest people to KR. I wonder if it was premeditated now, timing of google searches will let us know. Wonder if they were conveniently watching Law and Order and well just had google these things......

But even the site where KR was dumped seemed a bit too convenient not to have been scoped out prior to the homocide.

 

[CalliopeGG]

If you wanted to cover up for a child who pushed her mother downstairs and killed her, how would you do it? I think you'd give each other an alibi and play it as an accident that had nothing to do with either of you. If the time frame allows, you and Child were in another room together and heard her slip. There's no reason to hide the body because the cause of death is on your side and you don't want to make it look more like a murder. And you can't be sure the fall and the death haven't left forensic evidence at your home. I don't think BR as a protective parent and grown-brain adult would have "panicked" into so much stupidity. SR alone perhaps, with BR drawn into the lies afterwards.

I don't get why so many of you like the stairs. If it's the statement analysis, in my opinion, if Karen came down the stairs head first, you would have expected strong emotion to be evident when BR said "then, she came downstairs". Not just some event apparently left out of the account between going up and going down.

Yes and surely there would be traces left behind if it occurred that way. My own opinion is it was far neater than that, or possibly did not happen at the house and the event could have happened the night before at South Aussie has said.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yeah there is definitely more to this silence of the two closest people to KR. I wonder if it was premeditated now, timing of google searches will let us know. Wonder if they were conveniently watching Law and Order and well just had google these things......

But even the site where KR was dumped seemed a bit too convenient not to have been scoped out prior to the homocide.

A poster who was on here previously 'speculated' that this was a planned crime. The poster said they had associates in/near the police force there.

Unfortunately, the poster did not word their 'speculative' post adequately, so it is gone.


IMO JMO MOO

 

[JLZ]

I was also thinking about the self defence angle. If Karen went ballistic, why was this not given as a reason for her untimely death?

"She came at me with a knife, a struggle ensued, unfortunately the worst outcome then happened"
"She came at me with her fists, I pushed her back, she hit her head"

.... whatever.

"She came at me with the ornamental rocks, we lawfully restrained her with a rope around her neck, and then she leapt over the staircase"

 

[CalliopeGG]

Yeah there is definitely more to this silence of the two closest people to KR. I wonder if it was premeditated now, timing of google searches will let us know. Wonder if they were conveniently watching Law and Order and well just had google these things......

But even the site where KR was dumped seemed a bit too convenient not to have been scoped out prior to the homocide.

I've thought all along the intention was there prior to it happening, but that he may have lost it at the time ie a mixed crime. I wish we knew when the googling occurred.

 

[SouthAussie]

"She came at me with the ornamental rocks, we lawfully restrained her with a rope around her neck, and then she leapt over the staircase"

LOL ...... "After I slammed and locked the bedroom door on her, so she couldn't get back in. I was in fear for my LIFE!!!"

 

[CalliopeGG]

LOL ...... "After I slammed and locked the bedroom door on her, so she couldn't get back in. I was in fear for my LIFE!!!"

Haha...."but our finances are still in great shape."

 

[Poirot's niece]

GBC's successful appeal against his murder charge was that the jury/prosecution hadn't proved that GBC hadn't 'accidentally' killed his wife in an argument. Thankfully that appeal was overturned and the bad scout is still doing time-even though not enough. My point is though, things have to be VERY flukey and freaky to accidentally kill a person. Some people in a rage get violent, especially if under the extreme influence of drugs and or alcohol, but to get to a point where your actions lead to a loved one's death is drastic, beyond what most of us can fathom. I just can't see how if Karen's death was accidental that you don't call 000 for an ambulance. I don't know anyone who has witnessed or been in the vicinity of a car accident who hasn't rushed to help and phoned 000.

 

[SouthAussie]

Haha...."but our finances are still in great shape."

"I even managed to buy some supreme pizza right afterwards."

 

[SouthAussie]

GBC's successful appeal against his murder charge was that the jury/prosecution hadn't proved that GBC hadn't 'accidentally' killed his wife in an argument. Thankfully that appeal was overturned and the bad scout is still doing time-even though not enough. My point is though, things have to be VERY flukey and freaky to accidentally kill a person. Some people in a rage get violent, especially if under the extreme influence of drugs and or alcohol, but to get to a point where your actions lead to a loved one's death is drastic, beyond what most of us can fathom. I just can't see how if Karen's death was accidental that you don't call 000 for an ambulance. I don't know anyone who has witnessed or been in the vicinity of a car accident who hasn't rushed to help and phoned 000.

I think this is our point (jokes) about Gable Tostee. There is someone who didn't call 000 or attempt to help the 'accidental' victim, after she had fallen to her death.

And he couldn't very well go scoop up her broken body and hide it in the forest, as there were too many witnesses about.

But I agree, no accidental death in this case. Though they probably had opportunity to make it seem that way.

Heck, Gable Tostee got off, after placing his fully inebriated, petrified, confused victim in such a predicament. There is a darn good chance that the Ristevskis could get off too, reasonable doubt, no witnesses. UNLESS the mode of death was poison or something less accidental looking. But after googling 'how to get rid of blood traces', you would think that something more violent had happened.

 

[moreinfo]

I find the timing strange that police came out with the statement about having one chance to tell the story, if it was directed at Sarah.
Considering SR is currently overseas enjoying herself, (I'm sure they know she was away), why make a statement like this at "this" time. The last thing I think she would do right now while she's away is check up on any progress on her mums case.
Why not hold off for an extra week till she comes back to Australia.

 

[CalliopeGG]

"I even managed to buy some supreme pizza right afterwards."

 

[CalliopeGG]

I think this is our point (jokes) about Gable Tostee. There is someone who didn't call 000 or attempt to help the 'accidental' victim, after she had fallen to her death.

And he couldn't very well go scoop up her broken body and hide it in the forest, as there were too many witnesses about.

But I agree, no accidental death in this case. Though they probably had opportunity to make it seem that way.

Heck, Gable Tostee got off, after placing his fully inebriated, petrified, confused victim in such a predicament. There is a darn good chance that the Ristevskis could get off too, reasonable doubt, no witnesses. UNLESS the mode of death was poison or something less accidental looking. But after googling 'how to get rid of blood traces', you would think that something more violent had happened.

Why google something so incriminating from your own computer? Maybe I watch too much true crime. A silly mistake to make these days.

 

[InDeep]

http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/vic/2017/06/17/karen-ristevski-evidence/

just another link. nothing new

 

[Poirot's niece]

I find the timing strange that police came out with the statement about having one chance to tell the story, if it was directed at Sarah.
Considering SR is currently overseas enjoying herself, (I'm sure they know she was away), why make a statement like this at "this" time. The last thing I think she would do right now while she's away is check up on any progress on her mums case.
Why not hold off for an extra week till she comes back to Australia.

I had that question in my head too, would it be easier to come forward and lighten your load if the person you're confessing about is out of the country? Likely much easier and possibly anonymous.

 

[rosie84]

If you wanted to cover up for a child who pushed her mother downstairs and killed her, how would you do it? I think you'd give each other an alibi and play it as an accident that had nothing to do with either of you. If the time frame allows, you and Child were in another room together and heard her slip. There's no reason to hide the body because the cause of death is on your side and you don't want to make it look more like a murder. And you can't be sure the fall and the death haven't left forensic evidence at your home. I don't think BR as a protective parent and grown-brain adult would have "panicked" into so much stupidity. SR alone perhaps, with BR drawn into the lies afterwards.

I don't get why so many of you like the stairs. If it's the statement analysis, in my opinion, if Karen came down the stairs head first, you would have expected strong emotion to be evident when BR said "then, she came downstairs". Not just some event apparently left out of the account between going up and going down.

Obviously it's all speculation. Stairs was just an idea, when someone is pushed with force down stairs (just as an example) you fall in a certain way rather than just a slip resulting in specific injury. Forensics can determine this with analysis. Which is a given. Even if it were an accident,
People do strange things in a panic, even as adults.
When money is involved it can become stranger again. All just hypotheticals. IMO.