Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #4

[1968]

"You know without the knowing, ahh, is the hardest part.

"You know without the knowing, ahh, is the hardest part.

We had a ahh b ahh bit of ahh an argument ahh in regards to, um, the store figures, and um, how she was going to you know improve them, and, she had had a bad day the day before at the store, um, and on the Wednesday morning, um, she just went upstairs, um, and then came downstairs and just went out through the garage, ahh, she might have just walked down the street or just to clear her head because that was the last thing she said to me, um, I’m gonna to go and clear my head, um, can’t do it here.

Just give us a call or give the police a call or y y you know give anyone a call ah just to know you know that you’re safe um, d doesn’t matter what, how, you know, just get a message back to us...



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BBM

Oh yes she went out through the garage alright......but not alive.

I think B killed Karen because she had control of the finances. House was in her name.
She was obsessed with the business, building it up, making it work. He could see the writing on the wall.
They would lose everything because she would not listen. There was no way he could stop her.

Also I think he may have been posting on this thread. Been very quiet lately though after being very vocal.

All MOO.

 

[steve richardson]

Sometimes such allegations don't warrant a response. At one point LE stated that they were taking these allegations seriously, and since have said nothing about them. I suppose they are more concerned about finding KR which IMO is the correct course of action. No point in investigating these allegations if they are now searching for a body. As you would know hearsay evidence is not admissible except in a dying declaration. I wondered too why the family did not refute these claims but maybe they did not want to dignify them with a response. It is all so murky.

Your correct I don't think Karen's family has refuted AR's claims re sexual allegations as I am sure overall they feel that they are outlandish & not worthy of a response &
doubt any of them would have remotely considered these to be in anyway a possible motive for her to leave her home & family.


But after reading how some people feel that the allegations may have some foundation I am refuting the claims based soley on my feelings on the matter.


I am a cousin of Karen's (Karen's mother and my father were brother & sister) and while I didn't know Karen closely as when your dad has 8 siblings you can imagine the total
number of cousins so it's hard to know all of them that well. I was close to her mother when I was young as there was only 18 months in age difference between her and my dad
and she used to look after me as a child (babysitting etc). When my aunty (Karen's mums sister) was diagnosed with a life threatening disease a few years back Karen's mother
flew home to NZ to nurse her and be there with her for 6 weeks giving her total support and we reconnected during this time. She then returned back a few months later and spent
a number of weeks with her sister again.


Karen was born in the same city as me so as a child I did see them a bit but when they moved to Melbourne we lost touch & only kept in touch a couple of times on Facebook.
Karen's mother & father were the old school, respect and treat people how you would want to be treated (that's what her dad used to say to me) so in respect of Karen but more
so to her late mother & father (three people who obviously can't disclaim the allegations) I am refuting them not totally as I can't but 99.9% because I know the family values
and kindness and consideration that Karen's parents passed onto their children wouldn't allow this to happen.


AR said "while telling the Herald Sun he was provided a comfortable home to live in" & his cousin said " Karen and Borce have both given him cars, which he’s totally destroyed.
Money, accommodation". That's nothing more than I would have expected resulting from Karen's upbringing & out of respect to her husband I truly doubt she would have even considered
thinking about the allegations let alone acting them out.


I miss Karen's mother but are thankful she along with my uncle didn't have to live having to go through this all but more so they didn't have to endure what I consider to be total
lies and fabrications regarding the morale behaviour of a daughter who they brought up to be the complete opposite of in allegations of this type.

 

[Bohemian]

Your correct I don't think Karen's family has refuted AR's claims re sexual allegations as I am sure overall they feel that they are outlandish & not worthy of a response &
doubt any of them would have remotely considered these to be in anyway a possible motive for her to leave her home & family.


But after reading how some people feel that the allegations may have some foundation I am refuting the claims based soley on my feelings on the matter.


I am a cousin of Karen's (Karen's mother and my father were brother & sister) and while I didn't know Karen closely as when your dad has 8 siblings you can imagine the total
number of cousins so it's hard to know all of them that well. I was close to her mother when I was young as there was only 18 months in age difference between her and my dad
and she used to look after me as a child (babysitting etc). When my aunty (Karen's mums sister) was diagnosed with a life threatening disease a few years back Karen's mother
flew home to NZ to nurse her and be there with her for 6 weeks giving her total support and we reconnected during this time. She then returned back a few months later and spent
a number of weeks with her sister again.


Karen was born in the same city as me so as a child I did see them a bit but when they moved to Melbourne we lost touch & only kept in touch a couple of times on Facebook.
Karen's mother & father were the old school, respect and treat people how you would want to be treated (that's what her dad used to say to me) so in respect of Karen but more
so to her late mother & father (three people who obviously can't disclaim the allegations) I am refuting them not totally as I can't but 99.9% because I know the family values
and kindness and consideration that Karen's parents passed onto their children wouldn't allow this to happen.


AR said "while telling the Herald Sun he was provided a comfortable home to live in" & his cousin said " Karen and Borce have both given him cars, which he’s totally destroyed.
Money, accommodation". That's nothing more than I would have expected resulting from Karen's upbringing & out of respect to her husband I truly doubt she would have even considered
thinking about the allegations let alone acting them out.


I miss Karen's mother but are thankful she along with my uncle didn't have to live having to go through this all but more so they didn't have to endure what I consider to be total
lies and fabrications regarding the morale behaviour of a daughter who they brought up to be the complete opposite of in allegations of this type.

Thank you for your insight, steve. I appreciate it and I am so sorry for your, and your extended family's, loss. I hope throughout our WS discussion that I haven't posted anything to cause you or your family more grief than you must already be suffering. If I have, that was not my intention and I apologise without reservation. My intention, and I'm sure the majority of people on this thread, has been and is to find anything that may be of value to investigators in their search for Karen.

 

[1968]

Your correct I don't think Karen's family has refuted AR's claims re sexual allegations as I am sure overall they feel that they are outlandish & not worthy of a response &
doubt any of them would have remotely considered these to be in anyway a possible motive for her to leave her home & family.


But after reading how some people feel that the allegations may have some foundation I am refuting the claims based soley on my feelings on the matter.


I am a cousin of Karen's (Karen's mother and my father were brother & sister) and while I didn't know Karen closely as when your dad has 8 siblings you can imagine the total
number of cousins so it's hard to know all of them that well. I was close to her mother when I was young as there was only 18 months in age difference between her and my dad
and she used to look after me as a child (babysitting etc). When my aunty (Karen's mums sister) was diagnosed with a life threatening disease a few years back Karen's mother
flew home to NZ to nurse her and be there with her for 6 weeks giving her total support and we reconnected during this time. She then returned back a few months later and spent
a number of weeks with her sister again.


Karen was born in the same city as me so as a child I did see them a bit but when they moved to Melbourne we lost touch & only kept in touch a couple of times on Facebook.
Karen's mother & father were the old school, respect and treat people how you would want to be treated (that's what her dad used to say to me) so in respect of Karen but more
so to her late mother & father (three people who obviously can't disclaim the allegations) I am refuting them not totally as I can't but 99.9% because I know the family values
and kindness and consideration that Karen's parents passed onto their children wouldn't allow this to happen.


AR said "while telling the Herald Sun he was provided a comfortable home to live in" & his cousin said " Karen and Borce have both given him cars, which he’s totally destroyed.
Money, accommodation". That's nothing more than I would have expected resulting from Karen's upbringing & out of respect to her husband I truly doubt she would have even considered
thinking about the allegations let alone acting them out.


I miss Karen's mother but are thankful she along with my uncle didn't have to live having to go through this all but more so they didn't have to endure what I consider to be total
lies and fabrications regarding the morale behaviour of a daughter who they brought up to be the complete opposite of in allegations of this type.

Like Bo, I too am sorry for your loss.

I feel the truth of what you are saying. I feel Karen has been lied about in this matter too.....The step son has obvious issues - could be borderline personality disorder or whatever.

Probably made life hell for K and B, another reason why the daughter would say she was 'an only child'.

MOO

 

[Oz Jen]

Your correct I don't think Karen's family has refuted AR's claims re sexual allegations as I am sure overall they feel that they are outlandish & not worthy of a response &
doubt any of them would have remotely considered these to be in anyway a possible motive for her to leave her home & family.


But after reading how some people feel that the allegations may have some foundation I am refuting the claims based soley on my feelings on the matter.


I am a cousin of Karen's (Karen's mother and my father were brother & sister) and while I didn't know Karen closely as when your dad has 8 siblings you can imagine the total
number of cousins so it's hard to know all of them that well. I was close to her mother when I was young as there was only 18 months in age difference between her and my dad
and she used to look after me as a child (babysitting etc). When my aunty (Karen's mums sister) was diagnosed with a life threatening disease a few years back Karen's mother
flew home to NZ to nurse her and be there with her for 6 weeks giving her total support and we reconnected during this time. She then returned back a few months later and spent
a number of weeks with her sister again.


Karen was born in the same city as me so as a child I did see them a bit but when they moved to Melbourne we lost touch & only kept in touch a couple of times on Facebook.
Karen's mother & father were the old school, respect and treat people how you would want to be treated (that's what her dad used to say to me) so in respect of Karen but more
so to her late mother & father (three people who obviously can't disclaim the allegations) I am refuting them not totally as I can't but 99.9% because I know the family values
and kindness and consideration that Karen's parents passed onto their children wouldn't allow this to happen.


AR said "while telling the Herald Sun he was provided a comfortable home to live in" & his cousin said " Karen and Borce have both given him cars, which he’s totally destroyed.
Money, accommodation". That's nothing more than I would have expected resulting from Karen's upbringing & out of respect to her husband I truly doubt she would have even considered
thinking about the allegations let alone acting them out.


I miss Karen's mother but are thankful she along with my uncle didn't have to live having to go through this all but more so they didn't have to endure what I consider to be total
lies and fabrications regarding the morale behaviour of a daughter who they brought up to be the complete opposite of in allegations of this type.

Thank you Steve. Your candour and thoughts from a personal family viewpoint are very much appreciated and respected. :tyou:

 

[Phil23]

Your correct I don't think Karen's family has refuted AR's claims re sexual allegations as I am sure overall they feel that they are outlandish & not worthy of a response &
doubt any of them would have remotely considered these to be in anyway a possible motive for her to leave her home & family.


But after reading how some people feel that the allegations may have some foundation I am refuting the claims based soley on my feelings on the matter.


I am a cousin of Karen's..........

Well spoken.

There is a lot of opinionisation on here, (If that's even a word).


Quite simply no-one should judge as they have very little knowledge of any parties personally.


Good to see someone with a personal connection speak out.

Cheers.

 

[steve richardson]

No need to apologise Bohemian it's a good site and without the family involvement I would never have found it. I don't hold anything against anyone making comments & thoughts on the situation as you can only make those based on what you mostly read or hear & to be fair I think most would agree that this case has had plenty of twists and turns with no doubt more to come.People have made some solid valid and informative comments and even ones I consider not to be are valuable to weigh up against what I think to have a balanced outlook.
Seeing all the comments and thoughts over the past few weeks on the site is appreciated I am sure by all. I have enjoyed reading all the comments and sleuthing involved but unfortunately on this situation I wish that it was fiction rather than real life.

 

[Melbourne Lass]

And you know what? It makes me furious that AR's allegations have overshadowed the disappearance of Karen. Who, after the recent clues released by police in the MSM, appears is a victim of foul play. After all, she has loved ones who are experiencing a whole lot of grief, uncertainty, and pain right now. AR has made this all about him. His decision of airing his allegations publically on SM and in MSM during an ongoing police investigation has been poor form and a reflection on his character IMO. And he's contributed to the media circus that we have seen.

Also, I believe that having this discussion about his allegations on this forum is relevant IMO. If Karen's body is found and somebody is charged and goes to trial for her murder, then the defence will be looking closely at AR's allegations in terms of Karen's character.

And that is truly the last I have to say on this topic now.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I just want to say the witnesses who saw the 'abuse' saw Karen ruffle AR's hair, that's all they said they saw. He used that incident as confirmation of abuse. Not exactly rock solid IMO.

 

[Melbourne Lass]

Your correct I don't think Karen's family has refuted AR's claims re sexual allegations as I am sure overall they feel that they are outlandish & not worthy of a response &
doubt any of them would have remotely considered these to be in anyway a possible motive for her to leave her home & family.


But after reading how some people feel that the allegations may have some foundation I am refuting the claims based soley on my feelings on the matter.


I am a cousin of Karen's (Karen's mother and my father were brother & sister) and while I didn't know Karen closely as when your dad has 8 siblings you can imagine the total
number of cousins so it's hard to know all of them that well. I was close to her mother when I was young as there was only 18 months in age difference between her and my dad
and she used to look after me as a child (babysitting etc). When my aunty (Karen's mums sister) was diagnosed with a life threatening disease a few years back Karen's mother
flew home to NZ to nurse her and be there with her for 6 weeks giving her total support and we reconnected during this time. She then returned back a few months later and spent
a number of weeks with her sister again.


Karen was born in the same city as me so as a child I did see them a bit but when they moved to Melbourne we lost touch & only kept in touch a couple of times on Facebook.
Karen's mother & father were the old school, respect and treat people how you would want to be treated (that's what her dad used to say to me) so in respect of Karen but more
so to her late mother & father (three people who obviously can't disclaim the allegations) I am refuting them not totally as I can't but 99.9% because I know the family values
and kindness and consideration that Karen's parents passed onto their children wouldn't allow this to happen.


AR said "while telling the Herald Sun he was provided a comfortable home to live in" & his cousin said " Karen and Borce have both given him cars, which he’s totally destroyed.
Money, accommodation". That's nothing more than I would have expected resulting from Karen's upbringing & out of respect to her husband I truly doubt she would have even considered
thinking about the allegations let alone acting them out.


I miss Karen's mother but are thankful she along with my uncle didn't have to live having to go through this all but more so they didn't have to endure what I consider to be total
lies and fabrications regarding the morale behaviour of a daughter who they brought up to be the complete opposite of in allegations of this type.

Steve, I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing your personal experience with us. I am grateful that someone who knows Karen and her family has decided to speak for her.

 

[Bohemian]

No need to apologise Bohemian it's a good site and without the family involvement I would never have found it. I don't hold anything against anyone making comments & thoughts on the situation as you can only make those based on what you mostly read or hear & to be fair I think most would agree that this case has had plenty of twists and turns with no doubt more to come.People have made some solid valid and informative comments and even ones I consider not to be are valuable to weigh up against what I think to have a balanced outlook.
Seeing all the comments and thoughts over the past few weeks on the site is appreciated I am sure by all. I have enjoyed reading all the comments and sleuthing involved but unfortunately on this situation I wish that it was fiction rather than real life.

You're very gracious Steve.

I wish the same. For Karen, for Sarah, for you and your family, Karen's friends and even for BR and members of his extended family. What a terrible and unnecessary outcome for everyone involved.

 

[Melbourne Lass]

(02) 9304 4360


Can we place bets on this.......?

:dance: :giggle: eace:

:lipssealed:

What's the phone number above, inkpink? Sportsbet?

 

[Armchair snoop]

Obviously I've touched on a sensitive topic.

Let's be clear about this: there is no denial going on here. Nor is there ignorance about child sexual abuse. In fact, I find it offensive to suggest that there is ignorance on this topic just because I - and others on this forum - have questioned AR's claims. As a social worker, I have also worked with victims of abuse (financial, physical, emotional, sexual, and elder abuse). So no, I am not ignorant. I have seen a lot in my job. Nothing surprises me anymore. So I have no such bias about "nice girls wouldn't do that".

Personally, like South Aussie, I have also questioned the timing and method of the claims which he decided to make public. On a number of occasions on this thread, I have also stated that Karen is not around to defend herself with regards to the allegations. I have also said in a previous post that unless we have inside knowledge we cannot know for sure whether his allegations are true or not. I personally don't think that reading a post of someone on SM saying that they have been witness to "sexual advances" is reliable enough evidence to categorically state that AR's sexual molestation claims are true.

If I put noses out of joint because I have tried to advocate for a woman who has gone missing in suspicious circumstances - presumed dead - and is therefore not here to speak up and have the chance to tell her side of the story, then so be it. AR is here and alive and has had plenty of opportunity to say his piece. There is another person who has not had the chance.

If AR is a victim, then I wish he would get help both for his trauma and his drug addiction.

And this is the last I have to say on the topic.

:ditto:

 

[1968]

(02) 9304 4360


Can we place bets on this.......?
:dance: :giggle: eace:

You think it's enough for reasonable doubt? Crazy ice addict murderer? Along with 'mob connected' brother in law?
Might be going to use the Milat defence? All his relos did it but not him. Well I ain't giving him any odds
thats for sure........
:moo:

 

[Unit45]

You think it's enough for reasonable doubt? Crazy ice addict murderer? Along with 'mob connected' brother in law?
Might be going to use the Milat defence? All his relos did it but not him. Well I ain't giving him any odds
thats for sure........
:moo:

Im not sure, without a body.

Hoping that DNA will clitch it.

 

[Bohemian]

:lipssealed:

What's the phone number above, inkpink? Sportsbet?

Yeah inky. Wut?

 

[Bohemian]

Im not sure, without a body.

Hoping that DNA will clitch it.

I think police will find Karen, and soon.

 

[1968]

I think police eill find Karen, and soon.

If he's done it, and it is an accident during an argument or whatever, he would have been better to come clean and admit it -might have got off with manslaughter?

Maybe he's just hoping like Unit said, they won't find her body. Playing the odds.

MOO

 

[Bohemian]

I think police will find Karen, and soon.

In fact, I think this may be the dam police were searching (approximate location was broadcast by Channel 7). See tiddles24's last post:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ne-Vic-29-June-2016-4&p=12770085#post12770085

I think it may be the one on the Digger's Rest-Coimadai Road, between Digger's Rest and Toolern Vale, just past Yangardook Creek.


Image courtesy of Google Earth

Source:

New clues in search for missing Mrs Ristevski
Sky News
Updated: 7:24 pm, Saturday, 27 August 2016

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/nati...lues-in-search-for-missing-mrs-ristevski.html

 

[Puggle]

In fact, I think this may be the dam police were searching (approximate location was broadcast by Channel 7). See tiddles24's last post:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ne-Vic-29-June-2016-4&p=12770085#post12770085

I think it may be the one on the Digger's Rest-Coimadai Road, between Digger's Rest and Toolern Vale, just past Yangardook Creek.

Image courtesy of Google Earth

Source:

New clues in search for missing Mrs Ristevski
Sky News
Updated: 7:24 pm, Saturday, 27 August 2016

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/nati...lues-in-search-for-missing-mrs-ristevski.html

Thankyou for posting this bo...

I just came on to ask if anyone had a location....lol..esp...going on between us.

The other night when it came out where police were focusing their search (before the next day revelations about ph pings)...My immediate thoughts re: using the geo forensics... its directly related to AR due to the search zone.

With the addition of the new phone ping info......

Has me wondering did both Karen and Borce go to see him that morning... an argument/accident has taken place there in diggers Rest.

I can see it possible that BR would help coverup for his son. Chris even said that AR was a puppet master/manipulator.
We have learned that he was given chance after chance, given money, given cars..... Borce visiting him in prison...they werent estranged at all..... maybe all this worry of him threatening to kill himself.

I no way believe Borce would set up his son ...... but the geography of the search area tells me statistically the murder has taken place in Diggers Rest...not Avondale Heights.

Also if Borce is involved in a coverup..... I don't believe she will be found in water.

Shallow grave possibly wrapped in a blanket. ...

Just some IMO thoughts