Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #4

[Mrs G Norris]

If Karens stoic aunt and relatives start showing distrust and disdain towards Borce Inc. then that should further upset Sarah and then that will upset Borce. Ahhh a chain reaction in progress.

I'm guessing Borce's wigs are kneading Sarah to keep her onside.

Borce will need Sarah on side or it's all over.

 

[they'll get you]

Unless Karen has injuries that can be attributed to a particular perpetrator or vice versa. God, please don't let this be a case where circumstantial evidence is the only thing the prosecution can base a case upon. Please let there be forensic evidence or a co-conspirator and/or witness to the crime who spills the beans. Otherwise, it could take years for Karen and her family to get justice.

Calling Makara

I'm using the Baden-Clay case because the parallels are very similar.

Makara what was the pivotal point which led to Gerbil's arrest?

There was never a confession still to this day.
Yes he was scratched the bugeezus, financial problems, mobile discrepancies.... (TMcH)

What made LE pounce?
It was right after Allison was found but that wasn't the reason.
I must be having an oldtimers moment.

 

[tiddles24]

What I would like to know..........where are the funds coming from for BR to pay for this "very very expensive experienced criminal lawyer/barrister", knowing that he is supposed to be in debt up to his eyeballs (according to the media reports)...........It's looking like this case could be turning into another GBC episode and we all know what happened there (for those who followed Allisons's case on this forum).........round & round in circles we go......MOO...:tantrum:ullhair::crying:uke:

 

[they'll get you]

What I'd like to know is... how is BR paying for his attorney?

I first thought pro-bono but there won't be any compensation.

I'm not sure unless there is something to sell, shares in property. :thinking:

 

[Puggle]

It depends on where BR was when he switched his phone off and if Karen was alive or not at that time. If he didn't switch it off until just after it pinged at Digger's Rest, he had 2 and 1/2 hours to conceal Karen (according to MSM reports today). BR could then have switched his phone back on after he was on his way home via the Calder. Surely, 2 and 1/2 hours is enough time to conceal something if you, or someone else, is familiar with the surrounding area, and/or the crime was premeditated.

Yeah ...... I suppose it would be enough time.

With this scenario of a coverup... Karen and Borce Head up to see AR before work in her car. Something went wrong, AR lashed out and Karen received a fatal blow?

The story about going for a drive in Karens car up the Calder to test or take the car to a mechanic sounds bogus.

I think in naivety he thought if her car was caught on camera heading up towards or in the surrounds of Diggers Rest, then by providing this story it will not place Karen in that location, just him......

Guessing he didn't think about phone pings and towers though.

He has then either helpt AR or independantly tried to clean up AR's mess .... telling AR to go somewhere...say chemist to provide an alibi for his time.... and he has then made his way home and concoccted this story that karen went for a walk in a huff.

But then again Im thinking she went alone and Borce only became aware later in the morning when informed by staff that Karen hadn't arrived for work ....... but that would need two drivers. Someone needed to get Karens car back home..

Ahhh the answers there somewhere ....... but the location of police searches tells me its diggers rest where something has happened. I have confidence in that..... one more recently mentioned searches was along one of the roads I said formed a green Wedge in the area.. lol...and Im not psychic.

 

[JLZ]

What I would like to know..........where are the funds coming from for BR to pay for this "very very expensive experienced criminal lawyer/barrister", knowing that he is supposed to be in debt up to his eyeballs (according to the media reports)...........It's looking like this case could be turning into another GBC episode and we all know what happened there (for those who followed Allisons's case on this forum).........round & round in circles we go......MOO...:tantrum:ullhair::crying:uke:

At this stage it's only a matter of advice. Not unreasonably expensive. Until someone is charged nobody can estimate the long-term cost of this thing. If then the cost doesn't look manageable the lawyer can refer the client/s elsewhere. Legal Aid may come into it, but I think you can't apply until a charge has been laid.

 

[wewillgetyou]

Alison BC was found on the 30th of April but GBC wasn't arrested until 13th June. So quite some time after

 

[Oz Jen]

Just another theory to throw into the mix;

Suppose KR did actually walk out in a huff after the argument. BR says KR has done this in the past but has always come back again.

What we don't know is for how long KR usually stays out walking after an argument before returning home. Some people go out for hours, others for just 10 minutes to cool down.

BR says he left the house (to sort the fuel gauge) around half an hour after KR left. What if, at that point, BR told SR he was going out to find KR.

BR drives the Merc around the streets, finds KR and she gets in the car.

The argument may have continued in the car and a distracted and angry BR just kept driving.

What happened next, I have no clue...

BR comes home after a few hours and says he was unable to find KR.

 

[they'll get you]

Alison BC was found on the 30th of April but GBC wasn't arrested until 13th June. So quite some time after

I can't remember what happened in that two weeks that made LE arrested him.
They never found her phone only a ping before the battery died.

There was never a matinee jacket or dingo.....:crazy:

 

[JLZ]

Yeah ...... I suppose it would be enough time.

With this scenario of a coverup... Karen and Borce Head up to see AR before work in her car. Something went wrong, AR lashed out and Karen received a fatal blow?

The story about going for a drive in Karens car up the Calder to test or take the car to a mechanic sounds bogus.

I think in naivety he thought if her car was caught on camera heading up towards or in the surrounds of Diggers Rest, then by providing this story it will not place Karen in that location, just him......

Guessing he didn't think about phone pings and towers though.

He has then either helpt AR or independantly tried to clean up AR's mess .... telling AR to go somewhere...say chemist to provide an alibi for his time.... and he has then made his way home and concoccted this story that karen went for a walk in a huff.

But then again Im thinking she went alone and Borce only became aware later in the morning when informed by staff that Karen hadn't arrived for work ....... but that would need two drivers. Someone needed to get Karens car back home..

Ahhh the answers there somewhere ....... but the location of police searches tells me its diggers rest where something has happened. I have confidence in that..... one more recently mentioned searches was along one of the roads I said formed a green Wedge in the area.. lol...and Im not psychic.

What sounds bogus about the fuel gauge trip is that Borce lied . . . ah, forgot . . . about it. Otherwise, my impression of Borce (not that that's worth much) is that he'd be avoidant about seeking help, much prefer to try to solve the problem himself than go talk to an expert.

We still don't know about AR's relationship with cars. If you want to get Karen to Diggers Rest alive, why couldn't she have been driven by AR? He was chasing her for money a little over a week before. When that didn't work, I can see him approaching her in person.

If BR left home mid-morning, was out until midday, and at some stage turned off his phone for two hours, how and when did the shop staff reach him that morning? He wasn't home to take a landline call. Did they call on Karen's mobile and he answered it while moving her body?

 

[Bohemian]

Yeah ...... I suppose it would be enough time.

With this scenario of a coverup... Karen and Borce Head up to see AR before work in her car. Something went wrong, AR lashed out and Karen received a fatal blow?

The story about going for a drive in Karens car up the Calder to test or take the car to a mechanic sounds bogus.

I think in naivety he thought if her car was caught on camera heading up towards or in the surrounds of Diggers Rest, then by providing this story it will not place Karen in that location, just him......

Guessing he didn't think about phone pings and towers though.

He has then either helpt AR or independantly tried to clean up AR's mess .... telling AR to go somewhere...say chemist to provide an alibi for his time.... and he has then made his way home and concoccted this story that karen went for a walk in a huff.

But then again Im thinking she went alone and Borce only became aware later in the morning when informed by staff that Karen hadn't arrived for work ....... but that would need two drivers. Someone needed to get Karens car back home..

Ahhh the answers there somewhere ....... but the location of police searches tells me its diggers rest where something has happened. I have confidence in that..... one more recently mentioned searches was along one of the roads I said formed a green Wedge in the area.. lol...and Im not psychic.

I think the police might be getting warmer. I'm not psychic either, Puggle, but going by recent searches, mobile phone pings and towers, and my limited knowledge of the area, that does seem the most likely place to investigate.

The area being searched is indicative of something happening to Karen at Digger's Rest but hold your zebras; as it could involve the perpetrator setting-up AR.

We might yet have to streak across the thread, Puggs. I'm booking in for a spray tan; just in case

 

[they'll get you]

The aunt of missing Melbourne woman Karen Ristevski thinks her niece has been murdered and has angrily dismissed theories of other family members that she ran away.

Patricia Gray has appealed for information to help locate Ms Ristevski, whom she believes has been “discarded like a piece of *rubbish”.

Her comments follow the emergence of fresh clues in the case, with telecommunications data revealing Ms Ristevski’s phone was “pinged” on the Calder Highway 40km northwest of Melbourne several hours after her husband, Borce Ristevski, said she left their Avondale Heights home to go for a walk.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...i/news-story/04635f24c20382b608b0e329d160eb31

 

[Amee]

In a second statement he *revealed a 1½-hour drive, starting at 10.30am — half an hour after he said Ms Ristevski left their home.

Uber is also investigating whether Mr Ristevski accepted a job driving for the ride-sharing service that afternoon.
Ms Gray said the Ristevskis *appeared happily married, and she saw no signs of family dysfunction or unhappiness.
Another of Ms Ristevski’s aunts, Marguerite, said she was a good person who deserved to be treated with dignity.
“Karen is a loving and kind person with a compassionate heart, devoted to her daughter’s wellbeing,’’ she said.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...F&utm_source=TheAustralian&utm_medium=Twitter

 

[JLZ]

I wonder if Patricia knows more detail about the pinging than we do and believes Karen's at the rubbish dump.

 

[Makara]

Calling Makara

I'm using the Baden-Clay case because the parallels are very similar.

Makara what was the pivotal point which led to Gerbil's arrest?

There was never a confession still to this day.
Yes he was scratched the bugeezus, financial problems, mobile discrepancies.... (TMcH)

What made LE pounce?
It was right after Allison was found but that wasn't the reason.
I must be having an oldtimers moment.

From memory GBC was arrested after the police paid his sister Olivia a visit. According to Olivia GBC was apparently in a bad way, very stressed etc. and the police moved in quickly before GBC did something stupid. He was arrested on 13 June, about six weeks after Allison was first reported missing.

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

At this stage it's only a matter of advice. Not unreasonably expensive. Until someone is charged nobody can estimate the long-term cost of this thing. If then the cost doesn't look manageable the lawyer can refer the client/s elsewhere. Legal Aid may come into it, but I think you can't apply until a charge has been laid.

:thinking: It's more than advice BR is seeking though, isn't it? Sure I read something along the lines of "he's directed all questions/correspondence to his lawyer" which means BR has hired the lawyer and will be charged for any work his lawyer does for him from this moment on and if it's a top criminal lawyer, I can't see him being cheap, In regards to Legal Aid, I doubt very much BR would qualify...he has money, him and Karen own a house, have a business, cars etc. I will be very very surprised if he qualified for Legal Aid. MOO

 

[they'll get you]

Mr Ristevski alleged theory comes as telecommunications data emerged over the weekend showing Mrs Ristevski’s phone was detected in a series of pings on the Calder Highway, 40km northwest of Melbourne, several hours after her husband said she left their home to go for a walk.

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...e/news-story/bde16dab39e3411dd87c658a45a97474

 

[Armchair snoop]

If Karens stoic aunt and relatives start showing distrust and disdain towards Borce Inc. then that should further upset Sarah and then that will upset Borce. Ahhh a chain reaction in progress.

I'm guessing Borce's wigs are kneading Sarah to keep her onside.

Correct me if I'm wrong but would a childs bond be greater with their mother then with their father. If the answer is yes then I feel extremely sorry for poor SR. The pressure and stress she must be going through. The thoughts that must be going through her mind, Oh my God. I hope she is being taken care of and her mental state is being closely monitored.

 

[they'll get you]

From memory GBC was arrested after the police paid his sister Olivia a visit. According to Olivia GBC was apparently in a bad way, very stressed etc. and the police moved in quickly before GBC did something stupid. He was arrested on 13 June, about six weeks after Allison was first reported missing.

Thankyou my friend.

OK it'll be interesting to see how Borce holding up?

 

[JLZ]

:thinking: It's more than advice BR is seeking though, isn't it? Sure I read something along the lines of "he's directed all questions/correspondence to his lawyer" which means BR has hired the lawyer and will be charged for any work his lawyer does for him from this moment on and if it's a top criminal lawyer, I can't see him being cheap, In regards to Legal Aid, I doubt very much BR would qualify...he has money, him and Karen own a house, have a business, cars etc. I will be very very surprised if he qualified for Legal Aid. MOO

But AR probably would qualify. The lawyer doesn't know who's going to be charged. Probably BR is concerned that what he says (or doesn't say) may implicate one or the other.

I don't know to what extent anybody would take up the instruction to talk to the lawyer. Probably the firm would know how not to waste time over it . . . "no comment", and not be drawn.