Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #8

[positivevibes]

I'd like to know IF Borce often had a beard prior to Karen's disappearance, I noticed he had no beard in all the pics I saw.

Maybe I'm suspicious but now he has always got a beard.

OK I'll come clean with my thoughts - could scratches heal in two weeks?

OK I didn't think so.
:slap:

In Eastern Europe there are certain mourning rituals followed. One of them is that men do not shave for a given length of time (I can't recall the length). That aside, good question about scratches.. 🤔

 

[Itsapuzzle]

I don't think they are implying anything just identifying direct quotations.


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Okay, thanks Oona, I was reading them like air quotes ..... indebted.

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[SouthAussie]

A good point. I wonder if the police do make a judgement call though depending on circumstances or do they do what they do when they need to do it.....?

I think they might. If they know where the murderer is at all times, and have minimised the flight risk of the murderer as much as humanly possible.

For example - we all know Gerard was at Allison's funeral, which was no doubt a huge comfort to their three beautiful young girls at the time. Though the police must have been chomping at the bit to arrest him and put him away.

The police, after all, are primarily compassionate beings who joined the force to do the best public service they could do, for all us public who need their care and protection. Many of them have children, they pretty much all have families. They may consider the indelible mark that an arrest will make on others, especially young ones, at a perhaps inappropriate time ... like the funeral of a parent.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

On the one hand, it would be horrible for Karen's murderer to be at her funeral.
On the other hand, if it is a family member (Borce), it may cause more trauma on the funeral day for his support to not be there for another family member .... who probably would not want to believe he is guilty.

And it wouldn't be the first time a murderer has been to the victim's funeral. Far from it.

Terrible to 'lose' both your parents within one day (or so). Because even though Karen has been gone for a while now, the funeral will bring up such huge feelings of loss and finality.

One that springs to mind - the Society Murders (Armadale, Victoria) - Matthew Wales who murdered his socialite mother, Margaret Wales-King and her husband Paul King in 2002. They were reported missing and eventually discovered a month later buried in a shallow grave.

I will never forget the infamous picture of Matthew shedding fake tears at the funeral, all eyes were on him.
In a documentary about the murders, the police had revealed to the 4 older siblings that Matthew was their main suspect, and to act as natural as possible while observing him.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...fe97751d8?sv=625ef2b8b01d58f1bf5c82f1583c7ff2

 

[they'll get you]

Hey Makara -

Are we there yet? Are we there yet?

 

[Didi1201]

I think they might. If they know where the murderer is at all times, and have minimised the flight risk of the murderer as much as humanly possible.

For example - we all know Gerard was at Allison's funeral, which was no doubt a huge comfort to their three beautiful young girls at the time. Though the police must have been chomping at the bit to arrest him and put him away.

The police, after all, are primarily compassionate beings who joined the force to do the best public service they could do, for all us public who need their care and protection. Many of them have children, they pretty much all have families. They may consider the indelible mark that an arrest will make on others, especially young ones, at a perhaps inappropriate time ... like the funeral of a parent.

I disagree that police are compassionate beings that care too much about feelings, they are professionals and decision to arrest is done by a person or few people at top when they think there is enough evidence to prosecute.
Imagine LE have plenty of evidence but decide to wait for funeral to finish and in meantime prime suspect BR disappears, police chief or whoever was in charge would be asked some tough questions, followed by resignations or sackings, protocols would be questioned.
Now we would have to spend tons of taxpayers money and resources to find missing suspect that could have been arrested easily.






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[SouthAussie]

I disagree that police are compassionate beings that care too much about feelings, they are professionals and decision to arrest is done by a person or few people at top when they think there is enough evidence to prosecute.
Imagine LE have plenty of evidence but decide to wait for funeral to finish and in meantime prime suspect BR disappears, police chief or whoever was in charge would be asked some tough questions, followed by resignations or sackings, protocols would be questioned.
Now we would have to spend tons of taxpayers money and resources to find missing suspect that could have been arrested easily.






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Well, firstly, we do not even know if police are ready to make an arrest yet in this case.

And, secondly, do you have any examples (links) to back up what you say? Because I am not aware of any arrests that have been lost because a murderer was allowed to attend the funeral of their victim. Perhaps there have been, but I have not come across anything like that in my years on this forum.

In fact, I know of incidences where perpetrators have been allowed to get away because the police have stopped to render assistance to persons who are near death due to the perpetrator's actions. Which, to me, shows a great compassionate element to the persona of the police.

 

[sosocurious]

I disagree that police are compassionate beings that care too much about feelings, they are professionals and decision to arrest is done by a person or few people at top when they think there is enough evidence to prosecute.
Imagine LE have plenty of evidence but decide to wait for funeral to finish and in meantime prime suspect BR disappears, police chief or whoever was in charge would be asked some tough questions, followed by resignations or sackings, protocols would be questioned.
Now we would have to spend tons of taxpayers money and resources to find missing suspect that could have been arrested easily.






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On his own or a fake passport? Easy to get apparently.
BS was able to sneak out the house so as he could go to his solicitor. But darn he was caught on camera.

 

[SouthAussie]

On his own or a fake passport? Easy to get apparently.
BS was able to sneak out the house so as he could go to his solicitor. But darn he was caught on camera.

Lol. Police probably don't even need tracking devices on Borce's vehicle(s). There are so many journos watching him, he can hardly sneeze without someone noticing.

 

[Didi1201]

Tony Mokbel took off to Greece to avoid trial and jail.
People do that all the time, sometimes with fake passport other times on boats.
People on bail don't show up in court.

Police would not be taking chances by giving him opportunity to escape(or potentially do more damage) IF they already have sufficient evidence to make an arrest.
Let's say Monday comes and br dont show up at funeral, cops would be made look like a bunch of incompentent asses in front media when they learn police was waiting for funeral to be over.

My gut feeling is LE don't have much on him so far
















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[moreinfo]

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...e/news-story/54515581b12cd8b15566bf781c6f1bd3

A spokeswoman from the Coroners Court of Victoria told news.com.au the findings, including whether any cause of death had been determined, would not be released to the public until further notice.

“No details of the examination have been released to the public, only to the family,” she said.

The spokeswoman confirmed authorities were still waiting on toxicology results, however.

 

[sosocurious]

New article

Some amateur sleuths have even thrown up the possibility that her death was accidental and then covered up in a panic.
According to several news outlets, including Channel 7 and The Age, preliminary results from the post mortem examination revealed no visible signs of injury to her skeleton but this has not been officially verified.
A spokeswoman from the Coroners Court of Victoria told news.com.au the findings, including whether any cause of death had been determined, would not be released to the public until further notice.
“No details of the examination have been released to the public, only to the family,” she said.
The spokeswoman confirmed authorities were still waiting on toxicology results, however.

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...e/news-story/54515581b12cd8b15566bf781c6f1bd3

 

[SouthAussie]

Tony Mokbel took off to Greece to avoid trial and jail.
People do that all the time, sometimes with fake passport other times on boats.
People on bail don't show up in court.

Police would not be taking chances by giving him opportunity to escape(or potentially do more damage) IF they already have sufficient evidence to make an arrest.
Let's say Monday comes and br dont show up at funeral, cops would be made look like a bunch of incompentent asses in front media when they learn police was waiting for funeral to be over.

My gut feeling is LE don't have much on him so far

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Okay, I just looked Tony Mokbel up, as I hadn't heard of him before and there was no link in your post. A commercial drug dealer who was also involved in gangland wars. Was captured the year after he ran, jailed in Greece, and was extradited back to Australia the following year.

I think I was asking more about a lowly (possible) wife killer who may have fled while his wife's funeral was about to happen. Which is what we were discussing. Because of the perhaps compassionate element of police work.

Thanks anyway.

 

[SouthAussie]

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...e/news-story/54515581b12cd8b15566bf781c6f1bd3

A spokeswoman from the Coroners Court of Victoria told news.com.au the findings, including whether any cause of death had been determined, would not be released to the public until further notice.

“No details of the examination have been released to the public, only to the family,” she said.

The spokeswoman confirmed authorities were still waiting on toxicology results, however.

I wonder if they are even going to be able to determine a COD/MOD. So, who released the info that there were no visible signs of injury in the initial autopsy examination, if only family were told? I guess someone is talking to the media, slipping them info.


The badly decomposed body of the 47-year-old was discovered in bushland north of the city and initial autopsy results reportedly failed to find visible signs of injury.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/f...secution-top-lawyer-says-20170223-gujq1x.html

 

[sosocurious]

After Ms Ristevski’s remains were found, Mr Ristevski’s lawyer took the extraordinary step of conceding that his client was the “number one suspect” in her murder.
The statement by Rob Stary, who is best known for defending Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, fuelled speculation police were on the verge of arresting his client.
But almost two weeks later, nobody has been charged and the case remains as baffling as ever. Mr Ristevski is not the only person displaying questionable behaviour.

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...e/news-story/54515581b12cd8b15566bf781c6f1bd3

I did not know that...Wikileaks

Just saw your post SA....leaks :thinking:

 

[SouthAussie]

After Ms Ristevski’s remains were found, Mr Ristevski’s lawyer took the extraordinary step of conceding that his client was the “number one suspect” in her murder.
The statement by Rob Stary, who is best known for defending Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, fuelled speculation police were on the verge of arresting his client.
But almost two weeks later, nobody has been charged and the case remains as baffling as ever. Mr Ristevski is not the only person displaying questionable behaviour.

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...e/news-story/54515581b12cd8b15566bf781c6f1bd3

I did not know that...Wikileaks

Sort of thinking of Staryleaks, are you?

 

[sosocurious]

Sort of thinking of Staryleaks, are you?

:laugh::laugh:
Something like that.

 

[sosocurious]

The mother-of-two went missing in late June. Her husband, Borce, said the pair had a fight about financial affairs before she left the family home, where they lived with their 21-year-old daughter Sarah, in Avondale Heights.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...y/news-story/db5ba88607823e4e439a8e418c894cda

Is this a leak or a mistake?

 

[KG1]

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...e/news-story/54515581b12cd8b15566bf781c6f1bd3

 

[Makara]

I've found a use for this useless IPad. Bloody thing keeps reloading and freezing

Here Fido!!

:floorlaugh: I feel exactly the same way about this stupid Android eepad I'm using while tavelling, :banghead: