Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #8

[Karinna]

KR was a striving and trying to be successful in the business world and in life type person. Why on earth would she become involved or entangled with someone that would have nothing to offer her AR? It just doesn't make sense IMO, and if it doesn't make sense i don't think its true.
I'm sure if she wanted to have an affair with someone it would of been someone with much more to offer her.

 

[Karinna]

Yep I agree. You can feel him struggling to make sense of it all. Seesawing feelings and emotions. It'd do your head in...

People that resort to substance abuse are generally weak minded people IMO. They are usually also on a sympathy and attention trip. At AR's age he has no excuses to not get some therapeutic help to deal with his problems.
I have personal experience in this and unless an adult is willing to help themselves no one else can do it for them. My own daughter died at a young age from alcoholism. She went and talked to a Dr. and the Dr. gave her options and she didn't take them. But yet the great Aussie drinking culture.

 

[SouthAussie]

Here's my neck on the line....

The Ant is a loose cannon BUT I kinda feel for him.

I won't say if the affair was true but reading his FB page I see genuine hurt. I see someone who is a good person and most of what is written is about bad people doing wrong to him. That's OK because I think he has been wronged in his life, especially by his father.
He's been self medicating his hurts and I'm sure he is genuinely grieving Karen's death.
I don't think he did it but I think he was part of the turmoil leading up to the murder.

I feel empathy for him, too. I bet Karen did, too.
Self medication can lead to his kind of addiction. I just wish he had been able to grab onto the lifeline that was offered to him through rehab. But then a person has to come out of rehab and radically change their life, to not fall back into the same old ways, with the same hurts and anxieties eating them up.

 

[Didi1201]

KR was a striving and trying to be successful in the business world and in life type person. Why on earth would she become involved or entangled with someone that would have nothing to offer her AR? It just doesn't make sense IMO, and if it doesn't make sense i don't think its true.
I'm sure if she wanted to have an affair with someone it would of been someone with much more to offer her.

An affair happened long time ago when AR was much younger and drug free, think about it, back then you had a young stepmom mum and teenage stepson, such affairs are more common than we think. People hide these things.

Is is possible that BR could have gone 'ballistic' too that night if KR admitted she had an affair with CR and wanted to leave relationship?








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[SouthAussie]

KR was a striving and trying to be successful in the business world and in life type person. Why on earth would she become involved or entangled with someone that would have nothing to offer her AR? It just doesn't make sense IMO, and if it doesn't make sense i don't think its true.
I'm sure if she wanted to have an affair with someone it would of been someone with much more to offer her.

I don't know that she was involved with him in the way that he says. Who knows if an incident happened with them, but if it did it may have been due to her overwhelming compassion toward him .. and one thing led to another. I don't think it would have happened more than once, if it happened at all. No 'affair'. I don't even think he is trying to say it was an affair, is he? Not sure of that as I do not follow his FB page.

That could lead him to love her and hate her. Love her for her kindness and care. Hate her because she had to remove herself from that maybe?

 

[SouthAussie]

People that resort to substance abuse are generally weak minded people IMO. They are usually also on a sympathy and attention trip. At AR's age he has no excuses to not get some therapeutic help to deal with his problems.
I have personal experience in this and unless an adult is willing to help themselves no one else can do it for them. My own daughter died at a young age from alcoholism. She went and talked to a Dr. and the Dr. gave her options and she didn't take them. But yet the great Aussie drinking culture.

So sorry to hear about your daughter, Karinna. I know that is not why you told us, but I cannot imagine the pain. :grouphug:

 

[sosocurious]

People that resort to substance abuse are generally weak minded people IMO. They are usually also on a sympathy and attention trip. At AR's age he has no excuses to not get some therapeutic help to deal with his problems.
I have personal experience in this and unless an adult is willing to help themselves no one else can do it for them. My own daughter died at a young age from alcoholism. She went and talked to a Dr. and the Dr. gave her options and she didn't take them. But yet the great Aussie drinking culture.

I do not really agree.
There are many reasons that people turn to substances.
There are many reasons why some seek help and others do not or simply cannot.
No I do not have sympathy. But I would like to think that I have the empathy to understand how difficult it is when someone does try.
I recall reading somewhere that it can take 3 or 4 attempts at rehab.
The thing that struck me in the CR interview. All the help AR had been given. Cars, $$$, accommodation.
Enabling is never the answer.

AR has been quoted as saying.

“I’m now a bit angry because if my father had addressed the situations with Karen, maybe this wouldn’t have happened. Although I’ve had some serious issues with Karen, she was always there for me, had a genuine interest in my welfare and was like my best friend.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...d/news-story/75ebaacfe5d224946b5ab8c637bf5a6a

imo

 

[sosocurious]

People that resort to substance abuse are generally weak minded people IMO. They are usually also on a sympathy and attention trip. At AR's age he has no excuses to not get some therapeutic help to deal with his problems.
I have personal experience in this and unless an adult is willing to help themselves no one else can do it for them. My own daughter died at a young age from alcoholism. She went and talked to a Dr. and the Dr. gave her options and she didn't take them. But yet the great Aussie drinking culture.

I am sorry for your loss and I respect your views.

 

[Amee]

An affair happened long time ago when AR was much younger and drug free, think about it, back then you had a young stepmom mum and teenage stepson, such affairs are more common than we think. People hide these things.

Is is possible that BR could have gone 'ballistic' too that night if KR admitted she had an affair with CR and wanted to leave relationship?








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CR?

Are you an insider or is this just in your opinion?

 

[Karinna]

So sorry to hear about your daughter, Karinna. I know that is not why you told us, but I cannot imagine the pain. :grouphug:

Thankyou South Aussie. I guess i said it because young people just don't seem to realise how fragile their lives are. My daughter didn't realise until it was too late, as the Dr.'s told us it is a silent killer, and once you get the more severe symptoms its too late. She had no children but had a great life and travelled the world. She was an excellent employee in hospitality, and was a manager. So she got to do so much in her short life. It's ironic because her older brother was killed in accident by a drunk driver years ago, so a double whammy. We have had a lot of loss to cope with, but as the saying goes what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and it has.
And drug addiction is such a destructive path, and leaves families shattered. AR has two children i think? If not for himself then he should at least think about the lives he helped bring into this world and get some help. Unless he just doesn't care anymore?

 

[Karinna]

I would really like to hear BR's thoughts on what his son is claiming about his deceased wife?

 

[inkpink]

There have been many reports of Female school teachers having affairs with their teen students. I dont think its predominant behaviour in Teachers, its just reported in the media more. It's completely plausible that KR had an affair with a young AR!

 

[Karinna]

There have been many reports of Female school teachers having affairs with their teen students. I dont think its predominant behaviour in Teachers, its just reported in the media more. It's completely plausible that KR had an affair with a young AR!

But wasn't Karen just new in her relationship with her husband back then? If she was 47 when she died, and had been with BR for 25 yrs.? she would of been 22 yrs. old when she got with Borce. So 7 yrs. difference between her and AR if he was 15.

 

[they'll get you]

I would really like to hear BR's thoughts on what his son is claiming about his deceased wife?

All will be told during the court case.

 

[Karinna]

Was KR a schoolteacher in her younger years? Didn't know that.

 

[Karinna]

All will be told during the court case.

Do you think so?

 

[sosocurious]

But wasn't Karen just new in her relationship with her husband back then? If she was 47 when she died, and had been with BR for 25 yrs.? she would of been 22 yrs. old when she got with Borce. So 7 yrs. difference between her and AR if he was 15.

AR
The 32-year-old says he cannot account for his movements on the day she vanished.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...y/news-story/0b07846ab2b3a778654c0a6ee67f533f

15 years the difference.
He went to live with them when he was about 15 yrs.

 

[Puggle]

I do not really agree.
There are many reasons that people turn to substances.
There are many reasons why some seek help and others do not or simply cannot.
No I do not have sympathy. But I would like to think that I have the empathy to understand how difficult it is when someone does try.
I recall reading somewhere that it can take 3 or 4 attempts at rehab.
The thing that struck me in the CR interview. All the help AR had been given. Cars, $$$, accommodation.
Enabling is never the answer.

AR has been quoted as saying.

“I’m now a bit angry because if my father had addressed the situations with Karen, maybe this wouldn’t have happened. Although I’ve had some serious issues with Karen, she was always there for me, had a genuine interest in my welfare and was like my best friend.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...d/news-story/75ebaacfe5d224946b5ab8c637bf5a6a

imo

This is the part that most interests me..."Im now a bit angry because if my father had addressed this situations with Karen, maybe this wouldn’t have happened".

This was before her body was found....

Wasn't his theory she ran away ..... living somewhere on a beach ( delusion) .....she was away from his main person of distain ....she was his "soulmate".

Shouldn't he have been happy .... that his "soulmate" was away from the "coward"...???

So there is a negative conatation put on this situation.....even before her body was found.... not a celebratory post ..... as would be expected.

Too many contraditions of thought process.

 

[Karinna]

What is AR's claim to fame apart from the fact he hates his father, is or has been an Ice addict and claims his deceased stepmother molested him when he was a teenager? Oh and he's a father to a couple of children from a failed relationship? Could he be a drug dealer too? And he also threatens people with guns?

 

[Puggle]

Was KR a schoolteacher in her younger years? Didn't know that.

Karinna ...... I think ink is just pointing out that young women in their twenties have been known to carry on affairs with younger men ..... there have been a few msm reports of school teachers having done so .....so probs just an example.

I don't think Karen was ever a school teacher.