Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #9

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I think many of us since the start have questioned SR behaviour because it's frankly just bizarre. Stopped cooperating with police, no desperate ongoing pleas to find her Mum, lack of social media (this I know as I've seen her account) and it goes on.....

I also find it strange that not one death notice was placed by anyone whatsoever.


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Agree - they are not painting a very good picture at the moment. The tight grip on someones dirty little secret has to come loose soon ...
The family have done nothing but made themselves look guilty.
So much for a much loved wife and mother....

Can anyone tell me - was Karen Cremated or buried?
Has she been laid to rest somewhere?
Just wondering what her tomb stone might say.

 

[JLZ]

That is bullying

Thanks for the feedback. I'll think it over.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Just wondering which post you're referring to? I'm having difficulty following your ideas process without it, sorry.

A very insightful post, thankyou. I do wonder though, if there are a few other slip-ups not made public by LE? The longer it takes till an arrest, the more likely this is a crime that was thoroughly thought about-and opportunistically committed.

 

[purpleandgreen]

It's easy for us to say that, but we don't know how much control BR has over her. We also know nothing about her mental health and state of mind. She could be very fragile, in which case she would certainly need privacy.

I'm really not prepared to speculate as we know nothing about her situation in the house, other than she is missing a mother whom she apparently loved very much. And of course the R brothers factor - what have they said to her? How are they controlling her? Just some thought and of course only my opinion.

I think many of us since the start have questioned SR behaviour because it's frankly just bizarre. Stopped cooperating with police, no desperate ongoing pleas to find her Mum, lack of social media (this I know as I've seen her account) and it goes on.....

I also find it strange that not one death notice was placed by anyone whatsoever.


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[purpleandgreen]

Respectfully disagree. I believe it's spot on if you read the article.

It's not about the R's (AFAIK), but hypothically it could well be - similar scenario - lies and manipulation - and hard drugs. Family destruction.

ugh what a stupid headline.

 

[JLZ]

I think many of us since the start have questioned SR behaviour because it's frankly just bizarre. Stopped cooperating with police, no desperate ongoing pleas to find her Mum, lack of social media (this I know as I've seen her account) and it goes on.....

I also find it strange that not one death notice was placed by anyone whatsoever.


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Her behaviour is not what some people think they would do in the extreme situation of finding their mother missing and then murdered. People are different from one another and even different from themselves in extreme situations. If either of my parents were murdered, I doubt I'd be all over social media or MSM. For one thing I don't think such appeals are helpful in solving crimes, and I would resent MSM exploiting my situation for their financial interests. People have a right to grieve in the way that seems to them helpful and appropriate; there is no one correct way that a victim has to behave.

As for stopping talking to police: she's young and in a very vulnerable situation: she complies with her father's wishes and their lawyer's advice. That's not bizarre on any hypothesis, whether she believes him innocent or guilty or deliberately poisoned her mother herself.

 

[JLZ]

Just a reminder, following the High Court decision in the Baden-Clay case in which his own evidence contributed towards the Court decision that he 'murdered' his wife, lawyers forewarned that it would change the way criminal cases would be conducted i.e. POI would 'most likely' be encouraged by their lawyers not to talk, not to give any evidence.
This may be the approach 'operating' here. So this may present 'challenges' to the murder investigation of Karen Ristevski. IMO.

I wouldn't have thought that would be a change. I think defence lawyers have long been reluctant to allow their client to take the stand. When I see an accused on the stand, I infer that the lawyer thinks his/her case is near hopeless. Either that or the client is pig-headed and won't take advice.

 

[Itsapuzzle]

At this point I really have no idea who the villain in the piece is ...... I do think it's in the family circle, um, pretty obvious, may involve covering up for younger family member or friend from either VR or BRs side ..... from what I've read in the media about BR it seems he'll put up with anything and no-one has actually said anything bad about him, so ...... who knows! Who knows, LE knows ..... MOO.

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[Eloise]

Her behaviour is not what some people think they would do in the extreme situation of finding their mother missing and then murdered. People are different from one another and even different from themselves in extreme situations. If either of my parents were murdered, I doubt I'd be all over social media or MSM. For one thing I don't think such appeals are helpful in solving crimes, and I would resent MSM exploiting my situation for their financial interests. People have a right to grieve in the way that seems to them helpful and appropriate; there is no one correct way that a victim has to behave.

As for stopping talking to police: she's young and in a very vulnerable situation: she complies with her father's wishes and their lawyer's advice. That's not bizarre on any hypothesis, whether she believes him innocent or guilty or deliberately poisoned her mother herself.

Speaking hypothetically only here.

If she's covering up a family member's crime - she's technically committing a crime.
It doesn't matter if she's covering it up because she's scared or intimidated - it's still a crime.

I think she comes across as someone who is covering something up. Whether she is or not, I do not know (nor does anyone here, I assume...) but to the general public, she is not coming across well.

ETA I may very well come across really bad in her circumstance too, even if totally innocent. These are just my observations as someone following the case only on a superficial level.

 

[matey]

Have many of you realised that Sarah's 21st birthday was only 3 weeks before Karen's death ?

AR's phone call to Karen re suicide and family secret that had not been dealt with by BR ?

VR mentioned that the last time he spoke to Karen was at Sarah's 21st birthday party ?

Was AR at the party ?

Did something happen at the party to cause friction and arguments amongst the Ristevski's...not forgetting their financial worries and failed businesses...the mention of Karen leaving Borce when Sarah turned 21 ?

Could all these occurrences or coincidences have been the beginning of the end for Karen ?..:thinking:

 

[sosocurious]

Have many of you realised that Sarah's 21st birthday was only 3 weeks before Karen's death ?

AR's phone call to Karen re suicide was also around that same time ?

VR mentioned that the last time he spoke to Karen was at Sarah's 21st birthday party and that she was happy ?

Was AR at the party ?

Did something happen at the party to cause friction and arguments amongst the Ristevski's, not forgetting their financial worries and failed businesses ?

Could all these occurrences or coincidences have been the beginning of the end for Karen ?..:thinking:

And SR and KR were evidently not getting on in the weeks before.

Sarah, who worked at Bella Bleu, Mrs Ristevski’s struggling Broadmeadows clothing boutique, was also been dogged by rumours that she and her mother were not getting on in the weeks before she went missing. News.com.au is not suggesting Sarah has anything to do with Mrs Ristevski’s disappearance.

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...n/news-story/08bf925b446d0ceca2cfbf3aa2aa7b55

 

[JLZ]

Speaking hypothetically only here.

If she's covering up a family member's crime - she's technically committing a crime.
It doesn't matter if she's covering it up because she's scared or intimidated - it's still a crime.

I think she comes across as someone who is covering something up. Whether she is or not, I do not know (nor does anyone here, I assume...) but to the general public, she is not coming across well.

ETA I may very well come across really bad in her circumstance too, even if totally innocent. These are just my observations as someone following the case only on a superficial level.

I think it depends what you mean by "covering up". If she's knowingly concealing evidence, such as someone's confession, or something she saw, yes. Otherwise, I don't think only ceasing to make herself available to police could be enough to make her an accessory after the fact, whatever the facts of Karen's death. Legal opinion, anyone?

 

[matey]

O/T....Breaking News....After 10 years, Cold Case of 22 month old Woodridge baby boy Baden Bond....Parents have been arrested for his murder....There is already a thread on WS for him....Another sad case!

 

[sosocurious]

Ms Ristevski’s shattered daughter Sarah, 21, has managed to keep out of the strange twists and turns in her mother’s case and is seeking help from the Missing Persons Advocacy Network.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...sdog=1&utm_source=NewsDog&utm_medium=referral

A practicle guide to searching for a missing person.
Immediate
First week
First Month
Long Term

http://www.missingpersonsguide.com/

Consider the following as you prepare to report to the police:

Provide the most appropriate recent photograph(s) and be prepared for them to be used across media.
Be completely honest — solid information helps police prioritise. Pass on additional details as they occur to you.
Try to establish a good relationship with the police officers handling the case.
If applicable, ask police to triangulate their mobile phone (this can only be done if the phone is switched on).
Ask that all stations in surrounding areas are alerted via internal communications.
Check if the officer in charge has reason to advise against media attention before alerting media.


A guide to what you can do to manage the affairs of someone who goes missing.
http://lcclc.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/SAFE-KEEPING_FINAL1.pdf

 

[purpleandgreen]

If that was their sole intent on joining, then yes it would be bullying. Perhaps you should report the posts / members that you suspect.

That is bullying

 

[JLZ]

If that was their sole intent on joining, then yes it would be bullying. Perhaps you should report the posts / members that you suspect.

I think Possumheart meant me; that I was bullying the newer members.

 

[leesha666]

Did you read the article? It was a lie to manipulate the family for money!

yeah i read the article, had interesting content, just a shame thats how they had to frame the discussion imho. I'm never a fan of headlines that 1.exploit a minority group or 2. bury the lead. But yes, did read.

AR's behavior is frustrating because its oddly attention seeking... man if only BR and SR were as open with things ahahahahaha then we would know more ! haha

 

[purpleandgreen]

Oh, I didn't take it that way. I thoiught you were just making an observation, as posters always do on WS. Sorry if I've upset anyone.

I think Possumheart meant me; that I was bullying the newer members.

 

[purpleandgreen]

But the article was about lies & manipulation, just as the headline said. There was no mention of any minority group in the headline, nor did it bury the lead. Excellent article that should be compulsory reading for all young people IMHO.

Sorry leesha666, I've just realised that I was thinking that the headline was ALL ABOUT LIES AND FAMILY MANIPULATION, when in fact it wasn't. I agree totally with your post. :blushing::blushing:

yeah i read the article, had interesting content, just a shame thats how they had to frame the discussion imho. I'm never a fan of headlines that 1.exploit a minority group or 2. bury the lead. But yes, did read.

AR's behavior is frustrating because its oddly attention seeking... man if only BR and SR were as open with things ahahahahaha then we would know more ! haha

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

But the article was about lies & manipulation, just as the headline said. There was no mention of any minority group in the headline, nor did it bury the lead. Excellent article that should be compulsory reading for all young people IMHO.

Which heading/headline is everyone talking about lol? I'm talking about the "Drug Addiction turned me Gay" heading....it's the only heading I see and I think it's a stupid heading. The article/writeup itself was interesting, absolutely..just the heading or sub title or whatever one wants to call it is, in my opinion, stupid for reasons I stated in my previous post. I know it's to grab folks attention and seems to be the go these days with writers/authors of articles... I still think it's stupid lol. No offense to anyone though...it's just my opinion.