GUILTY Australia - Kiesha Weippeart, 6, Mount Druitt, NSW, 18 July 2010 - #2

[BJsleuth]

My heart is just broken for this sweet adorable little girl. :cry:

This case gave me the same feeling as one on your side of the pond.. Aliyah Lunsford. You can see bruising on both Kiesha and Aliyah's photos on MSM. A world apart but so similar.

 

[BJsleuth]

I did not know this.

I posted on another thread about rights of fathers. As I am a woman, I was gutted that I was told that only in the dark ages and an island off Tas were any 50 50 custody.

A question to Dad's here. What do you do while paying money but have no responsibility? To Mum's what do you do when your child is in need of specialist care?

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The number of single fathers raising children is increasing. Approximately 25% of single parents are men. The issues of Child Support and being able to have the children are two separate issues. One does not excuse the other. Around 70% of Fathers who are required to pay child support, don't, as opposed to 6% of Mothers who don't pay. 50/50 care is the presumption but you still have to make court orders which can be done by consent which is the easy way - both parties negotiate to get what they want or the hard way which is to involve solicitors and potentially go to mediation and court. Many people apply for 50/50 care but don't actually want it or use it, they simply demand it to minimise child support payments. In that case, the parent who has the most care of the children has to support them anyway they are able. To overturn the court orders is a costly exercise. Often the non-payment of child support is a means to still having power and control over the other person and may be considered domestic violence as it is financial abuse just as withholding the child is, at least in my mind, abuse, unless there is a VERY good reason to do so. Even if a parent is in prison, the child is still entitled to see them. It's the rights of the child to be loved and cared for by both parents (even if the parent actually doesn't). Neither parent has rights to the child. It is becoming apparent that 50/50 care isn't working out for the children either even in the lowest conflict situations and with Mum and Dad living in the same suburb. They don't like being shuttled back and forth and it's too disruptive for most of them. There are no easy answers unfortunately and sadly it's the children who suffer most of all.

 

[Karo]

In my family we are lucky enough to only have 1 marriage breakdown, the single 5 yo child involved is parented 50/50 by both his parents. Both parents pay 50% of his costs and both do equal parenting, involvement in school, sports etc.
That is the way it should be but can't always happen it appears. I look forward to hearing the female parent, in this case, getting a life sentence. Fast forward tomorrow and hopefully a sentence.

 

[Flinders]

In my family we are lucky enough to only have 1 marriage breakdown, the single 5 yo child involved is parented 50/50 by both his parents. Both parents pay 50% of his costs and both do equal parenting, involvement in school, sports etc.
That is the way it should be but can't always happen it appears. I look forward to hearing the female parent, in this case, getting a life sentence. Fast forward tomorrow and hopefully a sentence.

BBM

Can we say the person who gave birth as opposed to parent. How about the genetic mother. Parent should be a verb and not a noun.

Moo

Off topic but I would like to apologise to anyone that I have upset here. I don't post anything on purpose to hurt anyone.

 

[jamie233]

It is becoming apparent that 50/50 care isn't working out for the children either even in the lowest conflict situations and with Mum and Dad living in the same suburb. They don't like being shuttled back and forth and it's too disruptive for most of them. There are no easy answers unfortunately and sadly it's the children who suffer most of all.

I think what is best for the child is situational, I don't think it's appropriate to make statements such as this.

I don't know exactly what the relationship between Kiesha and her father was like, there are other circumstances, his health, Kristi's control, we don't know. What I do know is that Kristi deserves a long and harsh sentence.

 

[Karo]

It has been adjourned til tomorrow it seems.
As for a description, I am not sure what we should call the murderer.

 

[fruity]

The New South Wales Government has lashed out at unions for linking the murder of Sydney girl Kiesha Weippeart to caseworker shortages and budget cuts in the Department of Community Services.

The mother of the six-year-old, Kristi Abrahams, has pleaded guilty to murdering her daughter, whose remains were found in 2011.

Court documents have shown caseworkers, teachers, police and relatives suspected the six year old was suffering from serious abuse in the months leading up to her death in 2011, but none intervened.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-...sm-of-child-protection-sy/4782224?section=nsw

 

[fruity]

Community services workers, teachers, police and relatives of six-year-old Kiesha Weippeart all knew or suspected she was suffering serious abuse in the months before her death, but none intervened effectively before her mother murdered her.

In distressing revelations that highlight serious failures within the system that is supposed to protect the state's most vulnerable, court documents show that, having been placed in foster care after her mother bit her, community services workers learnt Kiesha was burnt with a cigarette soon after returning to the family home, but did little about it.

*snip*

The documents, an agreed statement of facts signed by Kiesha's mother, Kristi Abrahams, as part of her sentencing, show that a social worker arrived a day after the cigarette burn was reported to find the little girl dressed in a hat and reluctant to show her face.

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http://www.blacktownsun.com.au/story/1598116/kieshas-tragedy-trail-of-neglect-and-abuse/?cs=12

 

[Mrs G Norris]

its shocking! the docs case worker should have been keeping a close eye on her expecially since she had already been assaulted as a toddler by her mother.
so, a child with obvious signs of abuse tells you their mother put her cigarette out on you, you have the power to do something and you do nothing? its beyond belief!!
her foster parents must be heart broken.
i hope kristi is given a life sentence or at least until she is unable to have any more children!

I've always had this weird idea thought in my head that she would get 18 years, I don't know why, I hope I'm wrong and she gets life too! I don't know why she was allowed back after being hospitalised for a bite, that's a savage bite that requires you go to hospital! Then she went and did it again with the incident above, it's not fair that nobody cared about Keisha!

 

[Crosby87]

Kristi Abrahams deserves a life sentence without the possibility of parole imo. Robert Smith got 16 years so Kristi's sentence will be greater than his.

Note the position of Kristi Abrahams left index finger as detectives escort her from grandmother's home in Bidwell.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/gallery-e6frewxi-1225900554597?page=64

 

[BJsleuth]

I think what is best for the child is situational, I don't think it's appropriate to make statements such as this.

I don't know exactly what the relationship between Kiesha and her father was like, there are other circumstances, his health, Kristi's control, we don't know. What I do know is that Kristi deserves a long and harsh sentence.

In relation to Kiesha the statement I made is not relevant.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Kristi Abrahams deserves a life sentence without the possibility of parole imo. Robert Smith got 16 years so Kristi's sentence will be greater than his.

Note the position of Kristi Abrahams left index finger as detectives escort her from grandmother's home in Bidwell.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/gallery-e6frewxi-1225900554597?page=64

OK now that actually IS someone flipping the bird! She's awful, she really is.

 

[BJsleuth]

OK now that actually IS someone flipping the bird! She's awful, she really is.

There was more than one instance of it. I think that speaks volumes.

 

[Crosby87]

There was more than one instance of it. I think that speaks volumes.

That's right. I saw a picture of Kristi Abrahms with f*** u" painted on her fingernails.

There is also a picture of Kristi with Robert and she is wearing a purple "Hitler" t-shirt which imo also speaks volumes about her character.

 

[Flinders]

Kiesha's death was on Labor's watch: Goward

June 26, 2013 - 1:22PM
Paul Bibby
Court Reporter

Pru Goward has placed the blame for the failure of her department to intervene in the tragic case of murdered six-year-old Kiesha Weippeart at the feet of the previous Labor government, but acknowledged that the number of reports of abuse that are investigated by social workers remains unacceptably low.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/kieshas-death-was-on-labors-watch-goward-20130626-2owk0.html#ixzz2XN7vJ8qy

 

[Flinders]

Union 'disgraceful' over Kiesha Weippeart death, says Pru Goward

June 26, 2013 12:27PM

Mr Turner said union members were so fed up by government inaction over vacancy rates they have been walking off the job.

Caseworkers are only getting to see face to face one in ten children," he told Fairfax radio.

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/natio...-says-pru-goward/story-e6frgczx-1226670106100

The Australian (no pay wall)

 

[Flinders]

Woman accused of killing two-year-old
by MEGAN LEVY - 26/06/13, 1:28 PM

Homicide squad detectives have charged a woman with the murder of a two-year-old boy on the NSW south coast.

At the time of the boy's death, child protection workers in Wollongong walked off the job because they claimed the toddler, who had been reported as being at risk, died in circumstances the staff union claimed were "tragic and avoidable".

http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/woman-accused-of-killing-twoyearold-20130626-2owk4.html

 

[Flinders]

Kiesha's mum's confession played in court
June 27, 2013 11:58AM

THE moment Kristi Anne Abrahams confessed to killing her six-year-old daughter Kiesha has been played in a Sydney court.

Abrahams wept as she described how she and Smith "kept on walking, walking, walking, walking" through the bush with Kiesha's body.
"It was scary," she said.

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/news/...heAustralianNewsNDM+(The+Australian+|+News+|)

 

[Flinders]

Amy Dale (@amydale_tele)
27/06/13 1:04 PM
Kristi Abrahams starts to cry as her lawyer says "it's easy to hate her." Court hears care system also failed her as a child

 

[Flinders]

Ellie Southwood (@SouthwoodEllie)
27/06/13 1:02 PM
For the first time, Kristi Abrahams cries on court, as topic turns to her sad childhood. @TenNewsSydney #tennews


Ellie Southwood (@SouthwoodEllie)
27/06/13 1:03 PM
Court hears the "system" failed Kristi Abrahams, well before the "system" failed her own daughter. @TenNewsSydney #tennews