GUILTY Australia - Lisa Harnum, 30, killed in 15-storey fall, Sydney, 30 July 2011 #1

[SouthAussie]

I am pretty certain that those cameras were filming what happened, but that evidence was one way or another suppressed. Whether he did that during the period between his exiting the apartment shirtless and re-entering, or between his release after the death but before the formal arrest.

Welcome ggeorge … so nice to have another perspective on board!

I’ve done a little reading on external hard drives used with cameras. Apparently they are used due to the limited storage of the recording device attached to the camera. So the images go into the camera, through a recording device, then onto a hard drive. And the hard drive will store far more images than the recording device - so more can be kept to be reviewed/regurgitated at a later date.

The hard drive may have contained footage of previous violence/demeaning behaviour that would have been very revealing? And maybe that footage was suppressed as it didn’t pertain directly to the morning of Lisa’s murder?

For example …

“…… including forcing her to get on her knees and promise she would submit to him.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...y-e6frg6nf-1226754193763#sthash.CSALtz5i.dpuf


And yes, Brightbird, I think that means that the hard drive would have contained footage that wasn't on the recording device, as the recording device would have been limited in storage capacity whereas the hard drive would have stored a lot more.

 

[FigTree]

Who keeps a hard drive in their ceiling???

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[sleepinoz]

Who keeps a hard drive in their ceiling???

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Simon G

 

[jamie233]

The NSW Supreme Court heard police found Mr Gittany's fingerprint on the railing and his left-hand palm mark on glass panelling.

"There was only one print on the railing," Ms Gordon said.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/balcony-d...-court-told-20131031-2wjsq.html#ixzz2juvr305p

"I instantly pushed myself up onto the balcony rail," Mr Gittany told the court.

"I rested my belly button onto the balcony rail and I reached out as far as I could."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-06/gittany-tells-court-of-how-he-tried-to-save-fiancee/5072830

I wonder if his re-enactment supports the prints found? While it is possible to touch the surface and not leave a clear print, one would think that reaching out desperately to save someone, from a balcony of significant height, would require a lot of grabbing and touching of the glass? I don't think this is going to be a damning piece of evidence but I am just curious more than anything.

 

[mirage1]

Despite the overwhelming evidence, is anyone worried he might get off? I have little faith in these single judge trials where they have a history ignoring overwhelming evidence and logic because they are blinded by their strict allegiance to the law to the point where ANY possibility of Lisa jumping can be viewed as 'reasonable doubt'.

Our justice system is a joke, he might get off.

 

[drsleuth]

"Today Crown prosecutor Mark Tedeschi QC jumped on fresh evidence that the 40-year-old asked his brother to remove a hidden computer hard disk from the apartment."

"You were so uncertain about what was on that hard drive that you chose your brother to retrieve it," he said.

The location of the hard disk remains a mystery.

http://http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-07/gittany-asked-brother-to-remove-hard-disk-court-told/5076430

 

[Brightbird]

Despite the overwhelming evidence, is anyone worried he might get off? I have little faith in these single judge trials where they have a history ignoring overwhelming evidence and logic because they are blinded by their strict allegiance to the law to the point where ANY possibility of Lisa jumping can be viewed as 'reasonable doubt'.

Our justice system is a joke, he might get off.

Welcome Mirage1. Yes I am worried he will get off. At first I wasn't but something unsettling has been growing in me. I think he is guilty too, but if I'm completely honest some doubt is niggling at me.

I'm not sure that a judge only trial is such a bad thing. In this day of CSI type shows, juries tend to like hard evidence whereas the evidence against SG is circumstantial. That said, I think SG wanted a judge only trial or he would have come with the extra money needed. I know if I was on a jury I would be hard pressed to keep emotion out of it.

I still don't understand whether the defence argument is that she suicided or climbed the railing to be 'dramatic' and slipped and fell. What I'm hoping is that the inconsistencies in SG's account, lack of fingerprints, and witness reports will combine to convince the judge of his guilt.

 

[jamie233]

His day had started badly when he appeared to have an animated conversation with his new girlfriend Rachelle Louise before he took the stand.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...h-of-lisa-harnum/story-fni0cx12-1226754084042

 

[Makara]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...h-of-lisa-harnum/story-fni0cx12-1226754084042

Hmmmm. Are the cracks beginning to show?

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[Makara]

Leonie Ryan ‏@LeonieFRyan 7m
The crown asks judge to remand Simon Gittany into custody, until she delivers her judgment.


Leonie Ryan ‏@LeonieFRyan 6m
Simon Gittany's barrister argues he still requires his assistance. Getting evidence together, photocopying...


Leonie Ryan ‏@LeonieFRyan 3m
Additional bail conditions imposed on Simon Gittany. A curfew and he must provide home/mobile numbers to lead police investigator.

https://twitter.com/search?q=simon gittany&src=typd

 

[Makara]

Matthew Snelson ‏@mattsnelson9 12m
The prosecutor Mark Tedeschi has just asked the judge to remand Simon Gittany in custody until she delivers her judgement #9News

https://twitter.com/mattsnelson9

 

[Makara]

3:08. "The defence case continues with new witnesses tomorrow and that could possibly include his glamorous new girlfriend."

http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video...1e207-255f-4841-b3b9-502e9aa5ab91%7c%7c%7c%7c

 

[MsAnais]

I too am worried he'll get off, Mirage1 and Brightbird. He would never have gone with a judge-only trial if he thought he'd have a better chance with a jury. And yes, a jury would be far more swayed by emotion.

I also wonder if part of his cockiness (apart from being part of his charming personality!) is because he has powerful connections - maybe he feels pretty sure he'll get off. I don't trust our justice system when it's all down to one individual, in this case the judge........

I just read the following quote from SG. I can't believe guys like this still exist! Please may justice be served on 'the one'!! :facepalm:

"Mr Tedeschi read aloud a series of text messages that he said were typical of Gittany's "controlling (behaviour) and possessiveness" including: "please don't let any guy talk to you and please don't look at any guy as your eyes should only gaze on me, the one."[/"

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...h-of-lisa-harnum/story-fni0cx12-1226754084042

 

[looneymama]

Hmmmm. Are the cracks beginning to show?

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Oh he is so scary. I wonder when she will have her "Oh sh**" moment...if she hasn't already.

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[Makara]

Oh he is so scary. I wonder when she will have her "Oh sh**" moment...if she hasn't already.

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Looneymama, I don't believe for one moment that SG and RL are in a romantic relationship. IMO what we've seen via MSM is all staged and tacky. RL is basically the handbag SG wears to court every day. The tight clothes, the on show, the hair flowing. She looks like she's auditioning for a bit part in Home And Away! Is that show still running? I've never watched it.

In the meantime, beautiful Lisa Harnum is dead. Does Lisa's death ever cross RL's mind? :banghead:

 

[enzeder]

Updated 3 hours 1 minute ago

"Today Crown prosecutor Mark Tedeschi QC jumped on fresh evidence that the 40-year-old asked his brother to remove a hidden computer hard disk from the apartment.

He made the request while he was in custody between August 4, 2011 and January 20, 2012."

"Mr Tedeschi told the court that if Gittany's version of events was accurate, any footage could have potentially exonerated him.

"You were so uncertain about what was on that hard drive that you chose your brother to retrieve it," he said.

The location of the hard disk remains a mystery.

Gittany told the court his brother took it to a friend who was able to look at it.

"I'm not too sure what they did with it," he said."

Read more: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-07/gittany-asked-brother-to-remove-hard-disk-court-told/5076430

 

[looneymama]

Looneymama, I don't believe for one moment that SG and RL are in a romantic relationship. IMO what we've seen via MSM is all staged and tacky. RL is basically the handbag SG wears to court every day. The tight clothes, the on show, the hair flowing. She looks like she's auditioning for a bit part in Home And Away! Is that show still running? I've never watched it.

In the meantime, beautiful Lisa Harnum is dead. Does Lisa's death ever cross RL's mind? :banghead:

Hmmm I could definitely see that...interesting...and gross. I still think she should be very afraid.

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[enzeder]

Simon Gittany got brother to remove hard drive from unit

November 7, 2013

He told the NSW Supreme Court he asked his brother to remove the hard drive because he did not trust the police.

“Part of me didn't believe that the police were telling the truth,” Mr said.

The 40-year-old said he wanted to check whether any footage was “deleted by the police”.

“If you thought that there was any image on that hard drive … that would completely exonerate you in relation to the death of Lisa Harnum, why didn't you notify the police?” Mr Tedeschi asked.

“I didn't think about it,” Mr Gittany replied.

The accused told the court he could not remember when he asked his brother to remove it. He said a man called Craig, who owned his own IT business, inspected the hard drive and found nothing on it.

Mr Tedeschi: “What happened to hard drive after that?”

Mr Gittany: “Not too sure what they did with it after that.”

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/simon-git...move-hard-drive-from-unit-20131107-2x3vv.html

Attached Image: Supplied pictures of Simon Gittany's computers, used to monitor Lisa Harnum.

 

[MsAnais]

Looneymama, I don't believe for one moment that SG and RL are in a romantic relationship. IMO what we've seen via MSM is all staged and tacky. RL is basically the handbag SG wears to court every day. The tight clothes, the on show, the hair flowing. She looks like she's auditioning for a bit part in Home And Away! Is that show still running? I've never watched it.

In the meantime, beautiful Lisa Harnum is dead. Does Lisa's death ever cross RL's mind? :banghead:

I suspect the only thing that crosses RL's mind is $$$ and publicity!! :twocents:

Talk about betrayal of the sisterhood!!! :facepalm:

 

[marlywings]

November 07, 2013

Gittany said. "She fell off, let go. I have no idea, she just disappeared."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...h-of-lisa-harnum/story-fni0fee2-1226754088889

November 5, 2013
"I screamed out her name in despair. I kept my eyes on her until she hit the ground."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/simon-git...lisa-harnum-20131105-2wydm.html#ixzz2jwJddyTt

What's that old quote that goes something like...if you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything....hmmmm.