GUILTY Australia - Lisa Harnum, 30, killed in 15-storey fall, Sydney, 30 July 2011 #1

[enzeder]

Screenshot from video at link
http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/19791179/accused-sydney-balcony-killer-in-custody/

 

[SouthAussie]

Police did take one from him - not sure when but am thinking it was probably back in August 2011 when he was arrested.

But they didn't know about the one hidden in the ceiling - the one he had his brother remove.


"Although police seized one disk capable of recording images from the cameras, another one was hidden in the roof.

Mr Tedeschi today asked Gittany why he did not notify police about the disk.

"I didn't think about it," he said."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-07/gittany-asked-brother-to-remove-hard-disk-court-told/5076430


Evidently, police thought they had the only hard drive. Surprise, surprise - this guy is more slippery than an eel!

I wonder who told them about the 2nd hard drive? Do you think Tedeschi had a PI doing some 'background work' for him.


(ETA: Just saw you found the link too KG1 .. thanks )

 

[SouthAussie]

Screenshot from video at link
http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/19791179/accused-sydney-balcony-killer-in-custody/

I promise I wont look at anyone else .. and I'll keep my cleavage covered ... and I'll serve only you ... please stop squeezing my hand so hard ...

:scared:

 

[enzeder]

Police did take one from him - not sure when but am thinking it was probably back in August 2011 when he was arrested.

But they didn't know about the one hidden in the ceiling - the one he had his brother remove.


"Although police seized one disk capable of recording images from the cameras, another one was hidden in the roof.

Mr Tedeschi today asked Gittany why he did not notify police about the disk.

"I didn't think about it," he said."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-07/gittany-asked-brother-to-remove-hard-disk-court-told/5076430


Evidently, police thought they had the only hard drive. Surprise, surprise - this guy is more slippery than an eel!

I wonder who told them about the 2nd hard drive? Do you think Tedeschi had a PI doing some 'background work' for him.


(ETA: Just saw you found the link too KG1 .. thanks )

BBM

I've been wondering about that ever since we were told about it. There can't have been very many who knew about that external hard drive hidden in the ceiling....surely?.

 

[KG1]

Why do I feel so disturbed by these photos of Lisa? What is the source of the photos? Did SG take them and she was an unwilling participant? Were they taken by surveillance cameras? One of them looks like she could be sitting in the loo. They don't look like 'selfies' to me. I just find them very disturbing. What was their purpose? To me, they are not happy or flattering photos. I feel so sad for her and particularly for her mother.

 

[SouthAussie]

Why do I feel so disturbed by these photos of Lisa? What is the source of the photos? Did SG take them and she was an unwilling participant? Were they taken by surveillance cameras? One of them looks like she could be sitting in the loo. They don't look like 'selfies' to me. I just find them very disturbing. What was their purpose? To me, they are not happy or flattering photos. I feel so sad for her and particularly for her mother.

They disturb me too KG1. They aren't taken in their apartment ... the window and surroundings are too old for that. Not to mention that graffiti on the door. Wonder where the Daily Telegraph dug them up?

I feel so much for her mum - and her brother, sister-in-law, niece and nephew. I hope Lisa's mum has a victim's advocate with her that is providing her with emotional and physical support during her horrific ordeal here in Australia.

I am so terribly sad that her thoughts of our beautiful country will always be marred by a horrible, heavy sadness and loss ... thanks to that .

 

[Theodora]

It's just my impression but those photos look like "fashion shots" or portfolio shots; as if Ms Harnum was hoping to become a model.

The defence counsel may have decided he would prefer Rachelle Louise not to be in the courtroom during the evidence about what SG is said to have done. Telling her (and the court) that she might be called to give evidence is a convenient way to achieve that.

If the police confirmed that the time shown on the pinhole camera outside the door was accurate (and in the absence of claims to the contrary I assume they could prove it was accurate), I think the most damning evidence is the video evidence of his dragging her back into the flat and the (apparently accurate) CCTV recording of her landing on the ground about a minute or two later.

There just was not time for her to climb the rather high glass wall around the balcony and then fall or jump off the ledge. There were photos posted earlier in this thread showing the judge and counsel standing on the balcony near the balcony wall, which seemed to be almost as high as the judge's armpits. As for jumping, she could not have landed on that ledge IMO - it is too narrow.

 

[enzeder]

Why do I feel so disturbed by these photos of Lisa? What is the source of the photos? Did SG take them and she was an unwilling participant? Were they taken by surveillance cameras? One of them looks like she could be sitting in the loo. They don't look like 'selfies' to me. I just find them very disturbing. What was their purpose? To me, they are not happy or flattering photos. I feel so sad for her and particularly for her mother.

I know what you mean. I find them disturbing as well. Lisa looks so sad in them. It says at the beginning of the video at below link - "Lisa Harnum posing in photographs while working as a model in 2011".

Video
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au...sa-harnums-death/story-fnjbnxuh-1226757347319

 

[SouthAussie]

Wouldn't it be interesting if the photos were taken at/by Freelance - the company RL worked for in her Promotional Modelling role? Perhaps the Daily Telegraph went there sleuthing RL, and discovered the agency had shots of Lisa. (I'm pretty sure it was the Daily Telegraph that first published the photos in MSM.) The photos do look pretty 'artsy'.

 

[SouthAussie]

The defence counsel may have decided he would prefer Rachelle Louise not to be in the courtroom during the evidence about what SG is said to have done. Telling her (and the court) that she might be called to give evidence is a convenient way to achieve that.

RSBM

I thought that too ... would be offputting for the and/or he didn't want her there to listen to how horrible, controlling, lying and abusive he really is. Goodness knows what he has told her about Lisa and her death.

 

[enzeder]

It's just my impression but those photos look like "fashion shots" or portfolio shots; as if Ms Harnum was hoping to become a model.

The defence counsel may have decided he would prefer Rachelle Louise not to be in the courtroom during the evidence about what SG is said to have done. Telling her (and the court) that she might be called to give evidence is a convenient way to achieve that.

If the police confirmed that the time shown on the pinhole camera outside the door was accurate (and in the absence of claims to the contrary I assume they could prove it was accurate), I think the most damning evidence is the video evidence of his dragging her back into the flat and the (apparently accurate) CCTV recording of her landing on the ground about a minute or two later.

There just was not time for her to climb the rather high glass wall around the balcony and then fall or jump off the ledge. There were photos posted earlier in this thread showing the judge and counsel standing on the balcony near the balcony wall, which seemed to be almost as high as the judge's armpits. As for jumping, she could not have landed on that ledge IMO - it is too narrow.

BBM

I only posted the link to those "Newspix" photos because I believe they have to be purchased. You can see the three photos taken on the day they visited the apartment during the trial. (page 2 for the balcony pic's - scroll down - hover over the photos to make them bigger)

"Newspix"
http://www.newspix.com.au/C.aspx?VP...VS#/SearchResult_VPage&VBID=2KERI3436ZVS&PN=2

 

[KG1]

I know what you mean. I find them disturbing as well. Lisa looks so sad in them. It says at the beginning of the video at below link - "Lisa Harnum posing in photographs while working as a model in 2011".

Video
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au...sa-harnums-death/story-fnjbnxuh-1226757347319

Thanks enzeder for that link. I still think they are very unflattering to Lisa, but am relieved to know that SG had nothing to do with them.

 

[enzeder]

Thanks enzeder for that link. I still think they are very unflattering to Lisa, but am relieved to know that SG had nothing to do with them.

You're welcome KG1. It seems strange to me because SG didn't like anyone else looking at Lisa.

 

[FigTree]

You're welcome KG1. It seems strange to me because SG didn't like anyone else looking at Lisa.

I suppose that's the payoff for him so he can say he goes out with 'a Model'.

and... Sometimes on photo shoots partners turn up with the model. :facepalm:

 

[marlywings]

I wonder whether the hard drive was "kept" in the ceiling of the flat at all times while he recorded her movements, or whether he placed it there around the time of Ms Harnum's death to conceal it from police. Did the prosecution test the hard drive the IT guy brought to Court last week?

Hi Theodora & welcome to Websleuths...nice to have you on board

There was also this info re the external drive..."he didn't trust police"...

November 7, 2013

He told the NSW Supreme Court he asked his brother to remove the hard drive because he did not trust the police.

“Part of me didn't believe that the police were telling the truth,” Mr Gittany said.

The 40-year-old said he wanted to check whether any footage was “deleted by the police

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/simon-git...e-from-unit-20131107-2x3vv.html#ixzz2kRAdNJZY

 

[marlywings]

I think they may have an intimate relationship, 'friends with benefits', with the extra benefits of publicity for her and PR for him. Personally, I don't believe she was hired. I doubt there is a marriage proposal on it's way though. But like women are apt to do, she's probably invested more than she intended, so I think her emotion is genuine.

According to this report the lovebirds have known each other for five years & have been "romantically involved" for around a year. Of course, as the report states, long enough for her to be convinced of his innocence as she knows he didn't do it. How she came to that conclusion is beyond me considering she wasn't there at the time.

October 24, 2013

She has known Gittany for five years, before he dated and got engaged to Ms Harnum, but she only became romantically involved with him about a year ago - long enough to be convinced of his innocence.

Despite some of the damning evidence that has been presented to the court, Louise said: "I'm not worried about any of this because I know he didn't do it."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...tands-by-her-man/story-fni0cx12-1226745590668

 

[MsAnais]

I suppose that's the payoff for him so he can say he goes out with 'a Model'.

and... Sometimes on photo shoots partners turn up with the model. :facepalm:

BBM

That makes sense.

He may well be hovering around in the background......keeping an eye on her with the photographer........thus contributing to the complete lack of joy in those photos.

I understand they were going for 'sultry' but she just looks really down and tormented, if anything.

We can possibly see some truth about her emotional state in those pics, rather than it being so masked by her beautiful smile. JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

I suppose that's the payoff for him so he can say he goes out with 'a Model'.

and... Sometimes on photo shoots partners turn up with the model. :facepalm:

He certainly didn't like Lisa being a hairdresser. What circles does he move in where he meets/mixes with model-type women? Makes me think of some footballers with their model-type arm candy. I guess we are going to have to wait till after the judge's decision before MSM will tell us his background.


"Crown prosecutor Mark Tedeschi QC said Gittany was an abusive partner who had alienated Ms Harnum from all of her friends, made her quit her job as a hairdresser and wouldn't even allow her to go to the gym."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...y-e6frg6nf-1226743785541#sthash.tpMLljSL.dpuf


Closing arguments today ... good luck Mark Tedeschi QC ... hope you shine!

Have strength, Lisa's mum, this horrible chapter is almost over. Pouring all the goodwill in the world your way :heart:

 

[Humdinger]

I've been following this case in MSM, but as usual I'm a late comer to this thread... Got all caught up yesterday though! Thanks everyone for your input!

My thoughts...
At first I thought he must have hit her and knocked her out to have thrown her over the balcony, but then her handbag wouldn't have been likely to be with her... So I think she was just petrified and maybe in those last moments she was resigned to her fate, he had already over powered her bringing her back into the flat, he definitely had the strength to throw her over the balcony (IMO).

There must have been so much more happening in their relationship for her to have told her mum that is anyone happened to her for her Mum to contact Michelle. I can't imagine the living hell that she endured in those last few weeks / months

RIP Lisa and May justice be served in full.

Oh and I too really want to know where his money came from and what he really did as a job...

 

[Fuskier]

Jodie Speers ‏@jodiespeers 4m
Crown Prosecutor Mark Tedeschi is now starting his closing address in the Simon Gittany murder trial @7NewsSydney