Australia Australia - Lynette Dawson, 34, Sydney, Jan 1982 *Arrest* #2

[tmar]

Adding to the case Tortoise, alerted about the killing of a MIL:
Patrick Frazee has just been arrested for the murder of Kelsey Berreth. (See Websleuths).
They have a young child.
He wouldn't allow Kelsey's Mum to see the little toddler!!!!!!!
Frazee has a brother in LE.
Will Frazee get bail?
Would Kelsey's Mum have further protection?

 

[SouthAussie]

You asked who is going to pay the monthly mortgage payments of $3,800 per month? At the age of 70, CD is probably retired and probably his wife, Sue, is too. I thought that a caveat would simply be put over their home so that they cannot sell it. Surely they do not have to pay $3,800 a month if neither of them work unless they have an investment property where they receive rent. But, if so, please explain as I don't really understand why you stated this otherwise.

I stated otherwise because it sounds, to me, that a caveat was not put on the home ... instead he needed to raise the funds via a mortgage.
I am not sure why a caveat would not have applied. Perhaps the court would not accept/apply a caveat, and instead required a cash bond?
Maybe the property did not meet the criteria for a caveat for some reason?

I agree. At 70 years old and retired, it would seem an onerous task to secure a mortgage on a property. I would imagine that a guarantor would be required, or some kind of substantial collateral, for a mortgage to be secured. But it says "once that was done".

BBM
The younger Dawson was granted bail a week ago but struggled to secure a mortgage over his home which made up half of the $1.5 million security he needed to meet bail. Once that was done, he was missing a document.
Chris Dawson, accused murderer, has been released on bail from prison for Christmas

 

[SouthAussie]

I have been looking for reasons why a caveat against a property may not be acceptable.

I think it is possible that the title deed for the property may not be in his name - perhaps it is in the name of a family trust or such - and therefore a mortgage would be required in his name, against the property. Because a caveat can be lodged against a mortgage, which would disallow the mortgage from being discharged (property from being sold) - or anyone else from acquiring a mortgage on the property - unless the caveat is removed.

Complicated stuff, but it is the best that I can determine at this point.

I’m owed money. Can I lodge a Caveat?

 

[Pi Thoughts]

Trying to get my head around the bail terms and conditions.

In deference to a NSW law firm I found the following:

In providing security, the surety must provide certain documents with the Court registry. This may include the Certificate of Title of any property, bank statements, written evidence of the value of any property and an acceptable form of mortgage if there is a mortgage over the property provided.
A bail surety may be simply a ‘surety’ or a ‘continuing surety’. A ‘continuing surety’ is a person who guarantees that the defendant will appear for all future court dates.
Bail Surety in NSW | Bail Application Lawyers | George Sten & Co

....Possibly a banking institution may not need to be involved moo

 

[Via Marple]

I have been looking for reasons why a caveat against a property may not be acceptable.

I think it is possible that the title deed for the property may not be in his name - perhaps it is in the name of a family trust or such - and therefore a mortgage would be required in his name, against the property. Because a caveat can be lodged against a mortgage, which would disallow the mortgage from being discharged (property from being sold) - or anyone else from acquiring a mortgage on the property - unless the caveat is removed.

Complicated stuff, but it is the best that I can determine at this point.

I’m owed money. Can I lodge a Caveat?

Is this applicable in this case?
Lodging property as bail security
It seems to say the property is actually mortgaged to the Court as the mortgagee, but the mortgage is not registered unless the accused does not comply with the bail conditions.
Edit: that is the same conclusion as Pi thoughts' post, a bank is not involved.

 

[SouthAussie]

Is this applicable in this case?
Lodging property as bail security
It seems to say the property is actually mortgaged to the Court as the mortgagee, but the mortgage is not registered unless the accused does not comply with the bail conditions.
Edit: that is the same conclusion as Pi thoughts' post, a bank is not involved.

Confusing as all heck, isn't it?

I found it interesting that a caveat cannot be lodged against a property (in the link I provided above) unless a person has an active interest in the property ... built it, has done home improvements on it, etc.
So I guess maybe, as you and Pi have noted, the court has a 'mortgage' on the property. One which he is said to have struggled to get, as per the 9news article.
The struggle may have been a delay in valuation, as we have read in recent articles.

 

[DRT]

Latest from the Australian. I have cut the article a bit. Channel 9 reported that he was cleaning the pool rather than just swimming. They are saying 30 years he has been married to Susan.

Nocookies

"Chris Dawson spent part of his Christmas Day swimming in his family pool on Queensland’s Sunshine Coast following a Christmas Eve release from Sydney’s Silverwater Correctional Complex.

The alleged wife killer was allowed to return to his Mount Coolum address to spend Christmas with his third wife of more than 30 years, Susan Dawson, after his bail was granted on Monday night following a week of delays."

"When asked how he was feeling after spending most of the month behind bars, 70-year-old Mr Dawson told The Daily Telegraph yesterday: “I’m well, thanks — I just really need a break.”

Dressed in a red rash shirt and board shorts, he added that “knowing” he had the support of his family was what got him through. Mr Dawson had been in custody since his arrest on December 5 over the alleged murder of his first wife, Lynette Dawson, who vanished from the couple’s home on Sydney’s northern beaches in January 1982."

"The murder trial is not likely to begin until 2020, which was a deciding factor in magistrate Robert Williams’s decision to grant bail, despite the crown telling him it has a strong case against Mr Dawson."

 

[Estelle]

Confusing as all heck, isn't it?

I found it interesting that a caveat cannot be lodged against a property (in the link I provided above) unless a person has an active interest in the property ... built it, has done home improvements on it, etc.
So I guess maybe, as you and Pi have noted, the court has a 'mortgage' on the property. One which he is said to have struggled to get, as per the 9news article.

The struggle may have been a delay in valuation, as we have read in recent articles.

It's interesting to me how Sue Dawson seems to be able to avoid the media. I have only seen one photo of her. She is a brunette it seems whereas the other two were blondes.

It appears that Chris Dawson is the marrying kind and has rarely lived without a woman in his adult years.

Wife No 1 - Lynette Dawson Met in 1966? Married in? - 1982

Wife No 2 - Joanne Curtis Married 1984 - 1990? Lived together from 1982

Wife No 3 - Susan Dawson - They have been together 28 years so must have met in 1990 and married later.

I have been wondering whether the property just mortgaged is in his third wife's name thus causing the delay?

Also why did the media say solicitor, Greg Walsh, went to the Gold Coast for documents when CD's house is in Mount Coolum.
Perhaps Sue Dawson was staying with her daughter, Kobi, on the Gold Coast in the granny flat and needed to sign documents.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

It's interesting to me how Sue Dawson seems to be able to avoid the media. I have only seen one photo of her. She is a brunette it seems whereas the other two were blondes.

It appears that Chris Dawson is the marrying kind and has rarely lived without a woman in his adult years.

Wife No 1 - Lynette Dawson Met in 1966? Married in? - 1982

Wife No 2 - Joanne Curtis Married 1984 - 1990? Lived together from 1982

Wife No 3 - Susan Dawson - They have been together 28 years so must have met in 1990 and married later.

I have been wondering whether the property just mortgaged is in his third wife's name thus causing the delay?

Also why did the media say solicitor, Greg Walsh, went to the Gold Coast for documents when CD's house is in Mount Coolum.
Perhaps Sue Dawson was staying with her daughter, Kobi, on the Gold Coast in the granny flat and needed to sign documents.

I am actually wondering whether the media are cutting Sue some slack. They could have tracked her down easy enough and plastered her picture around the place, but for whatever reason haven't.

 

[Tortoise]

Welcome Tortoise and Merry Christmas Everyone.

Thank you Estelle. A very Merry Christmas to you too, and all here.

 

[k-mac]

It's interesting to me how Sue Dawson seems to be able to avoid the media. I have only seen one photo of her. She is a brunette it seems whereas the other two were blondes.

It appears that Chris Dawson is the marrying kind and has rarely lived without a woman in his adult years.

Wife No 1 - Lynette Dawson Met in 1966? Married in? - 1982

Wife No 2 - Joanne Curtis Married 1984 - 1990? Lived together from 1982

Wife No 3 - Susan Dawson - They have been together 28 years so must have met in 1990 and married later.

I have been wondering whether the property just mortgaged is in his third wife's name thus causing the delay?

Also why did the media say solicitor, Greg Walsh, went to the Gold Coast for documents when CD's house is in Mount Coolum.
Perhaps Sue Dawson was staying with her daughter, Kobi, on the Gold Coast in the granny flat and needed to sign documents.

yes
they must have the Coolum house tied up in sues name or family trust?
tax diversification would be right up chris's alley
he runs a tight financial ship I think.

 

[k-mac]

Latest from the Australian. I have cut the article a bit. Channel 9 reported that he was cleaning the pool rather than just swimming. They are saying 30 years he has been married to Susan.

Nocookies

"Chris Dawson spent part of his Christmas Day swimming in his family pool on Queensland’s Sunshine Coast following a Christmas Eve release from Sydney’s Silverwater Correctional Complex.

The alleged wife killer was allowed to return to his Mount Coolum address to spend Christmas with his third wife of more than 30 years, Susan Dawson, after his bail was granted on Monday night following a week of delays."

"When asked how he was feeling after spending most of the month behind bars, 70-year-old Mr Dawson told The Daily Telegraph yesterday: “I’m well, thanks — I just really need a break.”

Dressed in a red rash shirt and board shorts, he added that “knowing” he had the support of his family was what got him through. Mr Dawson had been in custody since his arrest on December 5 over the alleged murder of his first wife, Lynette Dawson, who vanished from the couple’s home on Sydney’s northern beaches in January 1982."

"The murder trial is not likely to begin until 2020, which was a deciding factor in magistrate Robert Williams’s decision to grant bail, despite the crown telling him it has a strong case against Mr Dawson."

tele is a bit off with their dates though.
27 years is as long as possible they could have gotten together unless sue was a bit on the side while he was still with joanne???

 

[Trooper]

Out on bail.. I hope everything within his periphery is wired and tapped.

Because, there is still no indication of where Lynn's body was placed for disposal. Considering he had two young children to look after at the time, ( and his brother and Sisterinlaw where 'on holidays') his time and ability to travel long distances may have been curtailed.

Yet, Lynn's body must be somewhere. Somewhere within the time frames he was working within at that time. I am assuming that the NSW police are working with him murdering her alone, burying her alone, at this point in time. But that could change at any time, too.

I just hope the rotten sod doesn't kick off with a heart attack before the trial.

 

[SouthAussie]

I am actually wondering whether the media are cutting Sue some slack. They could have tracked her down easy enough and plastered her picture around the place, but for whatever reason haven't.

For some reason, the Daily Telegraph felt inclined to add this little tidbit in their latest article about Chris cleaning the pool upon his release. Perhaps there is a hugely substantial age difference. Not surprising really, if that is the case.


Younger than Chris, Susan has stood by her husband during intense public scrutiny over Lyn’s disappearance.
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph
Chris Dawson says he got through time in prison by ‘knowing’ he had family support
December 25, 2018

 

[SouthAussie]

There is a video in this article of a journo leaning over the fence speaking with Chris Dawson while he was cleaning the pool on Christmas Day.

Chris Dawson expected to be released on bail today

 

[DRT]

tele is a bit off with their dates though.
27 years is as long as possible they could have gotten together unless sue was a bit on the side while he was still with joanne???

Wouldn't be the first time his relationships?! have crossed over. I felt 25 years married, because from what I recall there was an article saying he had just come back from Bali for a significant anniversary which I assumed was 25.

 

[DRT]

Dawson could be home for Christmas

A pre-release article from the Gladstone Observer. Notice the picture.

 

[Jennifer17]

Dawson could be home for Christmas

A pre-release article from the Gladstone Observer. Notice the picture.

Mmmm................she looks a lot younger than him.

 

[k-mac]

There is a video in this article of a journo leaning over the fence speaking with Chris Dawson while he was cleaning the pool on Christmas Day.

Chris Dawson expected to be released on bail today

didn't seem to be having a big family reunion celebrating his return??

 

[k-mac]

Wouldn't be the first time his relationships?! have crossed over. I felt 25 years married, because from what I recall there was an article saying he had just come back from Bali for a significant anniversary which I assumed was 25.

yes
think we have established previously DRT 25 is the magic number