Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, Jun 1997 #5

[KiwiNZ]

someone's probably already done this but on the NAA website I used the departure and arrival dates for Marion to search to see if anyone else records have been requested under - response to Section 40 request for access - but nothing, I assume if they had a suspect travel partner they would need to request the information the same way they did for Marion

It still bothers me that the request for arrival and departure cards was made a few years apart but both records show the name as Remekel not Remakel - cant figure why

 

[Itsapuzzle]

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someone's probably already done this but on the NAA website I used the departure and arrival dates for Marion to search to see if anyone else records have been requested under - response to Section 40 request for access - but nothing, I assume if they had a suspect travel partner they would need to request the information the same way they did for Marion

It still bothers me that the request for arrival and departure cards was made a few years apart but both records show the name as Remekel not Remakel - cant figure why

Ingenious, KiwiNZ , great sleuthing.

 

[Bagpus]

In German it's spelt Luxemburg.

Edit: also in Dutch.

Perhaps she had someone with her whose first language was not English. He / she may have filled out that bit

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

As far as I’m aware Marion had never mentioned Luxembourg to anyone back in Australia and avoids mentioning it on any postcards etc. Holland and Germany get a mention though.

What would draw you to that tiny principality when completing those forms if they don’t hold the secret to this whole mystery?

For most tourists to Europe I would hazard a guess Luxembourg is very low on their lists.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Marion states in her postcard from Brighton postmarked 7 July 1997 “I’m shortly off to Amsterdam and the Orient Express on the 15 July”.

She also apparently told Sally in the final phone call on the 31 July 1997 that she had “postponed” the Orient Express.

We now know from the postcard shown at the inquest that Marion states she cancelled the Orient Express due to the floods in Germany.

But the floods in Germany did not start until the 24 July 1997. Prior to that it affected Poland and the Czech Republic.

The timeline doesn’t fit.

Also why did she not go to The Netherlands on or before the 15 July as planned? The Orient Express did not travel through Amsterdam so would not be part of the same visit.

 

[SaintGertrude]

someone's probably already done this but on the NAA website I used the departure and arrival dates for Marion to search to see if anyone else records have been requested under - response to Section 40 request for access - but nothing, I assume if they had a suspect travel partner they would need to request the information the same way they did for Marion

It still bothers me that the request for arrival and departure cards was made a few years apart but both records show the name as Remekel not Remakel - cant figure why

Great sleuthing thinking of looking on there. It might be worth a few of us looking at entries on different dates to see if anyone stands out or have there been few requests. Home page | naa.gov.au

 

[SaintGertrude]

It is strange that they spell the surname different.
REMEKEL, Florabella Natalia Marion - Back of Outgoing Passenger Card, Departing 22 June 1997 ( Digital copy )
Descriptive note
As of 14 April 2020, this record is in agency custody. Digital images were supplied in response to Section 40 request for access.

 

[SaintGertrude]

someone's probably already done this but on the NAA website I used the departure and arrival dates for Marion to search to see if anyone else records have been requested under - response to Section 40 request for access - but nothing, I assume if they had a suspect travel partner they would need to request the information the same way they did for Marion

It still bothers me that the request for arrival and departure cards was made a few years apart but both records show the name as Remekel not Remakel - cant figure why

How do we do this the other end in the UK for example. There must be a way of searching. I would imagine on this link Make and browse Freedom of Information (FOI) requests

 

[Laughing]

Marion states in her postcard from Brighton postmarked 7 July 1997 “I’m shortly off to Amsterdam and the Orient Express on the 15 July”.

She also apparently told Sally in the final phone call on the 31 July 1997 that she had “postponed” the Orient Express.

We now know from the postcard shown at the inquest that Marion states she cancelled the Orient Express due to the floods in Germany.

But the floods in Germany did not start until the 24 July 1997. Prior to that it affected Poland and the Czech Republic.

The timeline doesn’t fit.

Also why did she not go to The Netherlands on or before the 15 July as planned? The Orient Express did not travel through Amsterdam so would not be part of the same visit.

bbm

Not an expert in European train routes, but the Orient Express did travel through Czechoslovakia in the late 1970's.

A friend & I were able to travel with Eurail passes, and spotted The Orient Express in a station. We couldn't ride it, but walked by the Czech guards, climbed the stairs into a car, walked the length, and descended the stairs at the other end, by the other Czech guard.

An English speaking station employee came over & thanked us, the locals did not like the soldiers in their station. The employee explained that the train did cross Czechoslovakia, and the soldiers were really to make sure no one could sneak onto the train & then out of Czechslovakia.

ymmv lrr

 

[SaintGertrude]

I have checked the passenger list for Marion's first trip to the UK
Passenger arrivals index, 1898 - 1972

Session expired | RecordSearch | National Archives of Australia

 

[SaintGertrude]

Information publicly available on the naa.gov.uk site
Also shows her now deceased ex husband travelling with her in 1968
He is listed as a public relations officer rather than a football player.

 

[SaintGertrude]

This is a copy of Marion's other passenger card in 1969
Information publicly available on the naa.gov.uk site
Port of Embarkation NADI

Passenger arrivals index, 1898 - 1972

Session expired | RecordSearch | National Archives of Australia[/QUOTE]

 

[SaintGertrude]

It may be worth doing a search under Marion Wilson just in case there are any unaccounted plane journeys between 1945 to 1972. Marion's date of birth is 3rd October 1945
I found another School teacher with date of arrival 28 Jan 1966 but the date of birth does not fit. In fact it looks like they are a time traveller or maybe it is time for me to go to bed
The archives only go up to 1972.
Session expired | RecordSearch | National Archives of Australia

 

[SaintGertrude]

If the same Marion she was living in Issaac Street peakhurst in 1966

Information publicly available on the NAA site
Co-incidentally it has been mentioned before that there was a Florabella registered as living in Peakhurst area with a British/European chap called Mr Stocks. He arrived as a permanent resident in September 1956 according to the Passenger Arrival index found in the NAA archive.
I wonder if that is how Marion choose the name Florabella. Did she know these people. Records also show that this Florabella had a mum called Florabella as well.

 

[SaintGertrude]

If the same Marion she was living in Issaac Street peakhurst in 1966

Information publicly available on the NAA site
Co-incidentally it has been mentioned before that there was a Florabella registered as living in Peakhurst area with a British/European chap called Mr Stocks. He arrived as a permanent resident in September 1956 according to the Passenger Arrival index found in the NAA archive.
I wonder if that is how Marion choose the name Florabella. Did she know these people. Records also show that this Florabella had a mum called Florabella as well.

Probably just another rabbit hole but are there any sleuths with access to the Australian electoral rolls. Although his wife is perfectly legit as the marriage is on ancestry, I think we need to rule out that Marion didn't end up with this person and take her first name.
I find it interesting that he is British and also European.

 

[SaintGertrude]

Probably just another rabbit hole but are there any sleuths with access to the Australian electoral rolls. Although his wife is perfectly legit as the marriage is on ancestry, I think we need to rule out that Marion didn't end up with this person and take her first name.
I find it interesting that he is British and also European.

It has now been confirmed that no connection as already been looked into.

 

[KiwiNZ]

Has anyone tried to track down this TV show ? I assume a doco

Ms Wilsons' statement also made mention of a TV show segment about The Brethren at Byron Bay. How there was a woman in it that she thought was Marion. The segment was recorded but not kept.

 

[SaintGertrude]

Has anyone tried to track down this TV show ? I assume a doco

Ms Wilsons' statement also made mention of a TV show segment about The Brethren at Byron Bay. How there was a woman in it that she thought was Marion. The segment was recorded but not kept.

Has anyone checked on youtube in case unofficially recorded.

 

[KiwiNZ]

Has anyone checked on youtube in case unofficially recorded.

I have .. found nothing of interest ..

 

[KiwiNZ]

This is slightly clearer, but still pretty indecipherable - sorry, can't find the post now where someone requested a clearer copy and some clues on what it said. It's really interesting that Marion has put "HD" for "home duties" as her "Usual occupation" in answer to question 10. That's strange, isn't it, as she left Australia. On the return card she wrote "home duties". On the old passenger cards from years ago she put "teacher" as the occupation. I think the tick in the Resident Departing Temporarily says (2) Main reason for going abroad, tick, holidays.
In the Resident Departing Permanently, it looks like (3) If you were born in Australia - can't read, but something like how many years months have you lived here and it looks like 22 or 32 (?) years, can't quite make it out.
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