Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, Jun 1997 #5

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Her sister Lee who is mentioned in the podcast.
I was just reading the postcard and Marion mentions antique shops in Rye.
There was a strange guy around that time, a con man. He owned an antique shop quite near to Barclays bank where Marion visited. He was a local artist and a small time fraudster. He used to stop local people and tell them he had lost his wallet and needed help with money to travel. I think he was even mentioned in a book by Danny Wallace.
 
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Marion had sent a postcard to L. Callinan living in North Kockhampton. Who is this person ?

That is her youngest sister - Leah
 
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We are not allowed to sleuth any family members

Seeking information without posting same could be very helpful, though. IMHO

Unfortunately, everything I know about Australian records is included in this thread plus Somerton Man. I'm no help.

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I was just reading the postcard and Marion mentions antique shops in Rye.
There was a strange guy around that time, a con man. He owned an antique shop quite near to Barclays bank where Marion visited. He was a local artist and a small time fraudster. He used to stop local people and tell them he had lost his wallet and needed help with money to travel. I think he was even mentioned in a book by Danny Wallace.
I have now managed to find an article about the guy mentioned in some old archives but behind a pay wall. He was a local artist and owned an antique shop in Rye. He was assumed to be a small town fraudster but may be worth a mention as Marion was in Rye and visiting antique shops.
CON ARTIST SENTENCED FOR TRAIL OF DECEPTION
He was later eliminated from a murder enquiry
BBC News | UK | Police quiz man in murder hunt
 
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A failed businessman con man was eventually charged for the Worthing murder of Jean Barnes in December 2000 out of interest. He was also charged with five counts of forgery. I am not sure if he had any links to Kent and East Sussex.
This callous killer can stay in jail

Cold eyes of a killer
 
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I have now managed to find an article about the guy mentioned in some old archives but behind a pay wall. He was a local artist and owned an antique shop in Rye. He was assumed to be a small town fraudster but may be worth a mention as Marion was in Rye and visiting antique shops.
CON ARTIST SENTENCED FOR TRAIL OF DECEPTION
He was later eliminated from a murder enquiry
BBC News | UK | Police quiz man in murder hunt
Nothing about an antique shop in those articles. It says Mr Price ran an art gallery in Rye until 1986 (the business collapsed with his marriage) and he was of no fixed address in 2000. Perhaps his car that broke down was imaginary but he might have needed the train fare a lot of the time.
 
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A failed businessman con man was eventually charged for the Worthing murder of Jean Barnes in December 2000 out of interest. He was also charged with five counts of forgery. I am not sure if he had any links to Kent and East Sussex.
This callous killer can stay in jail

Cold eyes of a killer
And he (Munley) sold the victim's belongings in antique shops. This was in 1999. Worthing is around 80km from Rye, west along the coast. (I had to look it up; it might have been part of London for all I knew.) Interesting.
 
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Nothing about an antique shop in those articles. It says Mr Price ran an art gallery in Rye until 1986 (the business collapsed with his marriage) and he was of no fixed address in 2000. Perhaps his car that broke down was imaginary but he might have needed the train fare a lot of the time.
Thank you for confirming, yes it was an art gallery he owned at 28 High Street Rye which was close to the bank Marion visited. It was so long ago I heard about him that it was difficult to attain the correct information so glad that you have confirmed JLZ. Some of his art work is still being sold but he is not the kind of league of artists Marion was familiar with.
 
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And he (Munley) sold the victim's belongings in antique shops. This was in 1999. Worthing is around 80km from Rye, west along the coast. (I had to look it up; it might have been part of London for all I knew.) Interesting.
Munley is more questionable and I wonder what business he was failed in before he committed his crime. He forged applications for credit cards and cheques and systematically stole valuables from Jean Barnes home worth thousands in the months before he killed her. This was not a spur of the moment attack on a pensioner according to the newspaper reports but something carefully planned out.
If for arguments sake it was someone else who returned to Australia and not Marion then whoever it was acted in a very similar way and couldn't help returning to the bank to draw out more money.
Killer Catchers - Fourteen True Stories of How Britain's Wickedest Murderers Were Brought to Justice
 
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Munley is more questionable and I wonder what business he was failed in before he committed his crime. He forged applications for credit cards and cheques and systematically stole valuables from Jean Barnes home worth thousands in the months before he killed her. This was not a spur of the moment attack on a pensioner according to the newspaper reports but something carefully planned out.
If for arguments sake it was someone else who returned to Australia and not Marion then whoever it was acted in a very similar way and couldn't help returning to the bank to draw out more money.
Killer Catchers - Fourteen True Stories of How Britain's Wickedest Murderers Were Brought to Justice
I really wonder whether the in-person withdrawals happened or not. Not just whether it was Marion, but whether anyone at all attended the branches and did that.

In the inquest evidence of Graham Smith and David Martin, there's this: "Also, a Visa card statement that was in the care of Barclays Bank at Rye in the United Kingdom." I don't understand, are they talking about a statement of transactions from around the time of Marion's disappearance? If so, does it still exist, have the podcast team published a copy? As far as I know that would be the only banking record that we have.
 
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This person is still missing from Southport and disappeared just fifteen days after Marion changed her name by deepoll.
I have mentioned this before but most people feel that there would be no connection. It still remains one of my own personal theories. 1889DMQLD - John Arthur Hines. It appears that his missing file was updated recently as well Updated: 08-23-2021 - By: Htmlcnvtr
 
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I really wonder whether the in-person withdrawals happened or not. Not just whether it was Marion, but whether anyone at all attended the branches and did that.

In the inquest evidence of Graham Smith and David Martin, there's this: "Also, a Visa card statement that was in the care of Barclays Bank at Rye in the United Kingdom." I don't understand, are they talking about a statement of transactions from around the time of Marion's disappearance? If so, does it still exist, have the podcast team published a copy? As far as I know that would be the only banking record that we have.
It has always been said that these were cash withdrawals rather than money transfers from one bank to another. Someone must have been making the withdrawals in person and a woman (or someone disguised as a woman) and Marion could have had a third party or power of attorney listed to withdraw money.
 
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It has always been said that these were cash withdrawals rather than money transfers from one bank to another. Someone must have been making the withdrawals in person and a woman (or someone disguised as a woman) and Marion could have had a third party or power of attorney listed to withdraw money.
I know it's what's said--Sally's records?--but taking into account what gets lost, and added, in communication, especially where there's a chain, with additional complication where some people are being discreet, and what changes in memory, and notes to oneself not being altogether accurate because one expects to remember what was meant, or anyway not to be needing to read them decades later: I'm uncommitted to those withdrawals.
 
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This person is still missing from Southport and disappeared just fifteen days after Marion changed her name by deepoll.
I have mentioned this before but most people feel that there would be no connection. It still remains one of my own personal theories. 1889DMQLD - John Arthur Hines. It appears that his missing file was updated recently as well Updated: 08-23-2021 - By: Htmlcnvtr
Interesting!!! Says he was going to Southport!
 
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Interesting!!! Says he was going to Southport!
Yes he was supposed to have been going to meet with someone in Southport on his motorcycle and vanished into thin air. He had previously worked for a firm called 'Hunter' security at a shopping centre in another town. When I read about the strange 'Natalia is alive but you will never see her again' message sent to Marion's daughter from a Clark Hunter it made me think even more about this person.
 
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