Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #10

[ruby925]

That makes sense!

No, the original KLM timetable shows the flight KL844 going via Bangkok, Karachi, Beirut, Athens, Frankfurt and terminates Amsterdam. The QF flight (only timetable is from 1965 that I can find)went in the opposite direction via Nadi, Honolulu, San Franciso, New York, terminates London ..also not on a Sunday (although of course the schedule may have changed by 1970). Codeshares were in their infancy, the big alliances did not yet exist.

 

[ruby925]

Yes I’m aware there’s an address in Paddington Sydney, I used to live very close to there, however since the document mentions London and it is written like a London address and someone on here mentioned there was no similar address in London I found these ones that are in London and further afield.

My point was that there was no 17 Hampden Street in Paddington, London when RB committed that offence and therefore I thought it was the Sydney Paddington.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Random. The Le Courrier Australien had their office at 396 Kent Street, Sydney in the 1970's. In the 1990s when the ad was placed they were at 149 Castlereagh Street, Sydney. Does anyone know where the cafe was that DW's parents had in the '70s? Thanks if anyone can assist.[/QUOTEIve been going nuts trying to find this mystery cafe.

Selling her house counts as income. Perhaps if it's invested after the sale, it doesn't count, but once it's withdrawn, it's income. I just wondered if her delinquent taxes were ever used as proof of her death rather than merely disappearance.

I thought the interest earned would be taxable income.Not the principal amount.. as that’s not an earning and wouldn’t have been taxable as capital gains tax as it was her home not an investment. Withdrawing it early would have affected the interest, it wouldn’t have much in a couple of months. So I don’t think taxation department would’ve been looking.
Gosh 30 years ago I didn’t do my return for 5 years haha and no one came looking eventually did them all at once and they owed me money. Might be different nowadays. But maybe not in 97

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

My point was that there was no 17 Hampden Street in Paddington, London when RB committed that offence and therefore I thought it was the Sydney Paddington.

I thought it was Paddington in Sydney too..

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

As the parents lived in the Eastern Suburbs at Vaucluse, the cafe was likely to be at Bondi, Double Bay or Paddington. I wondered if the Gosbell Street, Paddington address he gave was the cafe address that he'd been given by someone before his arrival.

Was the number at Gosbell street on the card?

 

[mishy66]

Was the number at Gosbell street on the card?

Number 6 Gosbell Street

 

[Zanzibar]

My point was that there was no 17 Hampden Street in Paddington, London when RB committed that offence and therefore I thought it was the Sydney Paddington.

All good, I was replying to Estelle. That said,
do you know if any of the other London addresses existed at the time?

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Number 6 Gosbell Street

Thank you

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Will it be possible to find where the flight taking Mr aka in June 97 landed? Did he land in London Heathrow or Amsterdam or somewhere else closer to his ‘family’?

 

[Zanzibar]

I thought it was Paddington in Sydney too..

The wording in the NAA file (NAA: A446 A1980/723 p.146) doesn't actually mention London, it says "17 Hampden Street, 4 Paddington (England)" which is why I searched for other addresses in England. The use of the number 4 is not usual for Australian addresses but I think it may be for English addresses, I'm not sure though and others may have more knowledge in this area. Also the other false address used for Bernard DUPONT at the same time in Belgium, I know we can't presume anything with this guy but altogether I think its more plausable it is in England than Australia.

 

[Zanzibar]

Will it be possible to find where the flight taking Mr aka in June 97 landed? Did he land in London Heathrow or Amsterdam or somewhere else closer to his ‘family’?

MC summary at Inquest said he went to Japan and that his departure card mentioned Belgium for a 30 day stay. Although, since when can anything Mr AKA writes be counted on as fact?

 

[LouLouSleuth]

Yes it makes perfect sense doesnt it! Could be his get square with the real FR! And a possibility that Monique DID actually know of Marion ( she queried her name during the investigation), RB's infatuation with her and was surprised she testified against him! Distancing herself from him and removing all connection of him during the investigation.
I think you are on the money @LouLouSleuth !

Do we know what MC looks like?? Could she look like Marion??

 

[LouLouSleuth]

Tangentially related to IK travel dates, I keep thinking about how RBs inquest he made specific mention of a friend of IKs who traveled on a Greek ship, I think he said. Could be filibuster, but I can’t help but think this detail is important in covering some lie. Like it was somehow important to include mention of this friend of IKs who they stayed together with in AU.

Yes there is something about that. Not sure what. Another victim? A lover? Some half truth offered up to cover up something else??

 

[Roseberry]

MC summary at Inquest said he went to Japan and that his departure card mentioned Belgium for a 30 day stay. Although, since when can anything Mr AKA writes be counted on as fact?

There’s always a grain of truth in Mr Akas stories, however he spins it. There are no coincidences- he’s ruthless and purposeful. Having listened to the inquest yet again Mr C constantly returns to Lille; “Or perhaps Lille?” Time and time again - from his initial fraud imprisonment to the present day. Who is the longstanding significant connection in Lille they are so concerned about? Apart from the step-brother-twice-removed-cousins he never connects with the Ilona or MC trail experts are probably heading there or may be able to shed some light. I suspect another DDeH type set-up - poorly attended to over the years but sustained nonetheless for his purposes. Lille is significant.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

MC summary at Inquest said he went to Japan and that his departure card mentioned Belgium for a 30 day stay. Although, since when can anything Mr AKA writes be counted on as fact?

Are there direct flights into Belgium? If he flew directly into London Heathrow than of course it will destroy his story. Even Amsterdam will. We know he likes Hook of Holland/Harwich Ferry now.

 

[Bibno]

The wording in the NAA file (NAA: A446 A1980/723 p.146) doesn't actually mention London, it says "17 Hampden Street, 4 Paddington (England)" which is why I searched for other addresses in England. The use of the number 4 is not usual for Australian addresses but I think it may be for English addresses, I'm not sure though and others may have more knowledge in this area. Also the other false address used for Bernard DUPONT at the same time in Belgium, I know we can't presume anything with this guy but altogether I think its more plausable it is in England than Australia.

When I first saw this on the NAA I thought it was Paddington in London, but Hampden Street definitely no longer existed then. The use of 4 in the address before the locality is not a British convention.

So it doesn't refer to a place that existed at the time he forged the lease. I'm not exactly sure how he was using the forgeries, but it might not have mattered that the addresses on them were fictitious for his purposes.

 

[gymtonic]

The Interpol crime report says that "...he drew up, under the false name of Bernard DUPONT
domiciled at 17 Hampden Street, 4 Paddington (England)...two leases..."
So I have taken that to mean that both the name and address were false. That is perhaps how he got caught if it was obviously a false address that didn't exist.
Perhaps he used a known address in Sydney as inspiration? Expert liars...always an element of truth.

 

[Zanzibar]

When I first saw this on the NAA I thought it was Paddington in London, but Hampden Street definitely no longer existed then. The use of 4 in the address before the locality is not a British convention.

So it doesn't refer to a place that existed at the time he forged the lease. I'm not exactly sure how he was using the forgeries, but it might not have mattered that the addresses on them were fictitious for his purposes.

Thanks for the clarification Re the 4, I wonder why it was in the address?

There are other addresses in England that match this address at the time according to Ancestry. Some in London but some further afield. I listed them all earlier.

I agree though, the forged documents didn’t really need an actual address.

 

[Carovb5]

There’s always a grain of truth in Mr Akas stories, however he spins it. There are no coincidences- he’s ruthless and purposeful. Having listened to the inquest yet again Mr C constantly returns to Lille; “Or perhaps Lille?” Time and time again - from his initial fraud imprisonment to the present day. Who is the longstanding significant connection in Lille they are so concerned about? Apart from the step-brother-twice-removed-cousins he never connects with the Ilona or MC trail experts are probably heading there or may be able to shed some light. I suspect another DDeH type set-up - poorly attended to over the years but sustained nonetheless for his purposes. Lille is significant.

Probably nothing, but as Mr Aka is supposed to be from Belgium: i noticed that the 2 main “places” he talks about (Lille & Luxemburg) are also places in Belgium (Lille (near Antwerp) & Luxemburg (province). It’s probably nothing but it might help him making it difficult for people searching for clues.

Furthermore, the towns mentioned for his businesses & family have a dutch and a french name, totally different, which makes it also difficult to research.

For example: Tournai (french) = Doornik (dutch)

It might have been mentioned before, but it might help newcomers or people that get confused with those names/places while researching.

 

[Meligator]

I was just talking to another Queensland friend of the era about what it was like in the 90s (Drivers Licences and Banking) and how it had changed and she said "Yeah remember when you could set up an account without any ID at all?!" I think when we go searching for current information on what the system is now, we have to bear in mind that we need to cast out minds back to what it was like then in QLD and Northern NSW. The daily limit was something you often set yourself as a safety net i.e. if it's your money how much do you want to able to withdraw without triggering any red flags...how much are you prepared to lose by scamming? What I can't get my head around is that $5000 a day is an extraordinary amount for 1997 as a daily limit.

It sounds like there was a specific type of high interest account for which $5000/day was maximum amount to withdraw without penalty. I think that type of account lessens the red flags to a bank. Marion comes into bank and says I want to take all my money out (for whatever reason it’s her money), and says she will do it 5k/day to avoid penalty.