Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #11

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

This is interesting…


A Crucial Numismatic Component
Metrology — the study of weights and measures — has always been something that classical numismatists need to understand. It is astonishing to many beginning collectors that ancient mints were able to control the weight of precious metal coins to within a few milligrams plus or minus (for comparison, an aspirin tablet weighs 350 milligrams). “Base metal” or copper alloy coins were generally over-valued in terms of their metal content so there was no need to control the weight of each piece so precisely.

The exact weight of a coin is usually irrelevant to collectors of modern machine-made coins, which do not vary appreciably from well-established standards. But the weight of an ancient coin is a critical part of its description, possibly helping to establish its authenticity–as well as its date and origin. Today we weigh coins on digital electronic scales that give us a readout at the press of a button. But in ancient mints and markets, coins and bullion were weighed on simple pan balances, using sets of official weights.

Ancient commercial weights, particularly those that were used to weigh coins, are therefore of interest to many collectors.

CoinWeek Ancient Coin Series: Collecting Ancient Weights

 

[BonnieB]

Just a random thought...
Could the fact that no-one remembers seeing MB after her return to Australia be because she changed her distinctive hairstyle? Perhaps cut it short or even changed the colour? He tried to persuade JO to go blonde!

Perhaps something like "Surprise me darling with a brand new look for our brand new life together, I love blondes"?
Marion was in love and I can imagine her doing it to please him.

RB made a special effort to describe MB's hair during evidence that sounded unnecessary. Was he was trying to reinforce the description of her hair.
Just sayin'

 

[Meligator]

I also find it amazing that Marion would remember two seemingly insignificant teddy bears and PLASTIC Russian dolls would be in a BLUE bag. Maybe she put them purposefully in a blue bag so she would remember to return them. But given all the goes into selling a home, moving, etc.— the detail of knowing what the bag looks like seems so odd. There must be some reason she had all those things at home…some reason she wants to keep secret.

 

[gymtonic]

Airlines would only check that the passport name matched the ticket and whether the passenger had a visa/permit for the final destination (if required). I don't know about the Japanese border force, others may have more knowledge.

Border control might check though. I related a story a while back in this forum whereby I had my 2 passports with me (dual citizenship) and to avoid having to get a visa to enter a French DOM-TOM a in the Pacific used the European one rather than the Oz one, but the passport control spotted no recent exit stamp fro Europe on it and wanted to know where I had been for 5 years! I mean mine were légtime passports and in the same name, but it tells me that swapping passports half way does run the risk of being questioned.

 

[mishy66]

I hope this is ok to put up. I have tried to not point out the obvious with names etc but I have a bunch of information relating to the backgrounds of DdeH parents and RGW connections to a person well known in the 'french quarter' of the Sydney scene back in the day, along with the person also offering up foreign translation for documents etc.
If I post up what I have maybe you can unpick it or eliminate it all.
But the connections are VERY interesting - dates, ships, names, etc.

I have a bunch more but I am unsure if I can post up.

So see how this goes.

R.G.W
1912–1987
BIRTH 24 JAN 1912 Coolgardie Western Australia

DEATH 20 JAN 1987 Sydney N.S.W. Australia

First marriage to D.S.E. O’Neill

Address – 18 Bundarra Road Bellvue Hill NSW

He had one son with D.S.E O’Neill.
RW Jnr – born 1942


DSE O’Neill
1909–1984
BIRTH 8 MAY 1909 Hurstville, New South Wales, Australia
DEATH 24 JUL 1984 Miami, Florida, USA


R.G.W – 1942 – the same year son is born, signs up to join the Navy -


Page 1 Australia WWII Service Records - Fold3

NAVAL FORCES OF THE COMMONWEALTH. - Commonwealth of Australia Gazette (National : 1901 - 1973) - 20 Apr 1944

NAVAL FORCES OF THE COMMONWEALTH. - Commonwealth of Australia Gazette (National : 1901 - 1973) - 22 Feb 1945

(see attachments)

Naval Officer 1942 – 1946 – address 18 Bundarra Road Bellvue Hill NSW

Robert Gordon Walker - Ancestry.com


( 2nd marriage for DSE O'Neil to J.M. - Ryde, New South Wales in 1945 when she was 36 years old.
The following year, Aust 28 Apr 1946, the whole family are bound for San Francisco, California US.)

https://www.ancestry.com.au/imageviewer/collections/7949/images/CAM1410_383-0362?pId=912379

https://www.ancestry.com.au/imageviewer/collections/7949/images/CAM1410_383-0363?pId=912379


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R.G. Walker – 2nd marriage

M. "Peggy". Lance – (link in a previous post)
born – 5 Oct 1921
death – 4 Sept 1988

Married RGW - 1947 (1 yr after 1st wife leaves for OS)

Father – T E Lance - ( there are a few links to sort through – land owner and / or business man) -
NOTICE is hereby given that the partnership heretofore subsisting between us, the undersigned Ronald - Government Gazette of the State of New South Wales (Sydney, NSW : 1901 - 2001) - 28 Apr 1916

Mother – D. S ( music teacher and business owner) - links

Trove

https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-838322424/view?sectionId=nla.obj-839060148&searchTerm="dorothy+S+lance"&partId=nla.obj-838339811#page/n12/mode/1up

( see attachments)



M.‘peggy’ W. -(nee Lance)

Interests - Socials, Music Teacher (like mother)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/138992050?searchTerm="margaret lance"

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/144308547?searchTerm="margaret lance"

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/146103093?searchTerm="margaret lance"

and Naval Volunteer – HMS Formidable
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17953445?searchTerm="margaret lance"

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/75643564?searchTerm="margaret lance"

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/156726064?searchTerm="margaret lance"

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/201335144?searchTerm="margaret lance"

( see attachments)

1949 – 9 Birriga Street Bellvue Hill NSW ( listed as Manager)

1951 – April 16 Birthdate D.W.deH.

Second Daughter P.W. born - (anyone have this date?)


Attachments to Robert Gordon Walker Naval history as per links

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

I also find it amazing that Marion would remember two seemingly insignificant teddy bears and PLASTIC Russian dolls would be in a BLUE bag. Maybe she put them purposefully in a blue bag so she would remember to return them. But given all the goes into selling a home, moving, etc.— the detail of knowing what the bag looks like seems so odd. There must be some reason she had all those things at home…some reason she wants to keep secret.

Or possibly bagged up and including scales were deliberately left for SL to hand over?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Re the scales.
Maybe someone had put it in ber mind that the school was having an inventory and that she may be accused of stealing them, just one more thing in her mind after the complaint that was made against her.

Or maybe it was something she just thought about and worried over whether she had used her money or the schools.
To many people, leaving a job, they might want to make sure they handed back anything that belonged to the school.

If it was me I would have become obsessed about getting the scales back too.

Upon really thinking about it, I would really worry if I thought I might have something that belonged to the school, especially if I'd possibly used the petty cash.


If it was me, I wouldn't be really able to relax til the scales were returned.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Re the scales.
Maybe someone had put it in ber mind that the school was having an inventory and that she may be accused of stealing them, just one more thing in her mind after the complaint that was made against her.

Or maybe it was something she just thought about and worried over whether she had used her money or the schools.
To many people, leaving a job, they might want to make sure they handed back anything that belonged to the school.

If it was me I would have become obsessed about getting the scales back too.

Upon really thinking about it, I would really worry if I thought I might have something that belonged to the school, especially if I'd possibly used the petty cash.


If it was me, I wouldn't be really able to relax til the scales were returned.

Makes sense and also I suppose IF she was planning to work eventually in UK/EU the last thing you want is theft at your last job

 

[Liselle]

Sorry to interrupt the flow of these excellent posts, but is anyone having problems accessing the DeH files on NAA website? I have been constantly reviewing dates/correspondence for weeks, but out of luck today.

 

[hoodunnit]

Sorry to interrupt the flow of these excellent posts, but is anyone having problems accessing the DeH files on NAA website? I have been constantly reviewing dates/correspondence for weeks, but out of luck today.

Yes. I was on there looking at IKs file too and none of the images will load on either.

 

[KiwiNZ]

Yes. I was on there looking at IKs file too and none of the images will load on either.

I don't know why but some days it's like that and then it goes back to normal, yesterday I couldn't see the attachments but today I can

 

[mishy66]

Sorry to interrupt the flow of these excellent posts, but is anyone having problems accessing the DeH files on NAA website? I have been constantly reviewing dates/correspondence for weeks, but out of luck today.

They are all working for me.

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[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

They are all working for me.

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So this is getting ON ship in Sydney in jan 1970

then leaves Southhampton Jan 71 to come back..,

am I daft to think they met here before the first trip in 70? Spent time together over there… come back together on Chusan?

didn’t he say they met in the hotel before the ship left… let’s face it nice hotels aren’t his thing so why would he be staying in the same hotel as the walkers?

or maybe my imagination is just going down a trail…

 

[Liselle]

They are all working for me.

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Thank you everyone. All working now and new, separate files have appeared that I haven’t seen previously. Maybe NAA were uploading these as I was searching? JMO.

 

[Penguinpoet]

Thinking about the scales...here in the 2020s it seems like an odd item to be worrying about returning.
But if I imagine leaving a job today then realising I still had a laptop/iPad that belonged to my employer or that I may have purchased with the petty cash, then I might be overly keen to get that returned asap too (especially if someone had made a complaint against me)

 

[Liselle]

So this is getting ON ship in Sydney in jan 1970

then leaves Southhampton Jan 71 to come back..,

am I daft to think they met here before the first trip in 70? Spent time together over there… come back together on Chusan?

didn’t he say they met in the hotel before the ship left… let’s face it nice hotels aren’t his thing so why would he be staying in the same hotel as the walkers?

or maybe my imagination is just going down a trail…

@Eyespywithmylittleeye When WW first arrived (Perth, Western Australia) in 1969, the address he was going to stay at for a 3 month holiday (6 Gosbell St, Paddington) was the home of a Mr. Manfred Joachim Lehninger, who had just received his Certificate of Naturalisation. But for the life of me, I cannot find the Chusan coming to Australia during the years in question. India (early 1971); fire in Southampton dock (July 71); South Africa (Dec 71 -Jan 72) and decommissioned (1973). Why aren't these things straightforward?

 

[Estelle]

you would have to book your tickets in the name you are travelling in so it matches the ticket, if you book with a travel agent it would be very odd to ask them to book leg 1 in this passport and this name and the 2nd leg in another passport and another name - unless you had a travel agent in on the con ?

The only other way I can think is you book Aus to Japan as a one way ticket and then book another while in Japan to exist but I am not sure that would even be possible, you would also not get the free night at Narita hotel

If they both spent time together for a few days in Japan and they did not book a return trip, neither RB nor MB would have been entitled to the free night layover with JAL. You can buy airline tickets at the airport direct with the airline you wish to fly with. I would suggest that RB had a fake Remakel passport and they both went either to the airport to buy the next leg of their journey there or used a local travel agent in Japan. IMO it was important (as far as RB was concerned) for both to arrive at Heathrow at the same time due to the booking in of the bags at the baggage counter so that RB got access to MB's case with the documents later.

 

[Estelle]

If he had an EU passport he likely would have had to go to a different line to non-EU passports. At least that’s what it was like in Heathrow when I travelled there in 2004.

Yes that is correct and something I forgot to mention. MB would accept that, I guess, as he was posing as a European.

 

[mishy66]

So this is getting ON ship in Sydney in jan 1970

then leaves Southhampton Jan 71 to come back..,

am I daft to think they met here before the first trip in 70? Spent time together over there… come back together on Chusan?

didn’t he say they met in the hotel before the ship left… let’s face it nice hotels aren’t his thing so why would he be staying in the same hotel as the walkers?

or maybe my imagination is just going down a trail…

Yes I was just letting someone know that the NAA was working - when I posted up that link.

No you are not daft thinking that at all.!

I did a post some time back about this.
My theory is THEY DID know each other before departing Aust 1970 and that they did NOT meet on the ship coming back in 1971 ( as they say at the inquest).

I will also say that there was NO CAFE being looked after by the sister of DdeH while her and her family went on a 'business' trip for over a year, as was mentioned a little earlier here. IMO

 

[mishy66]

@Eyespywithmylittleeye When WW first arrived (Perth, Western Australia) in 1969, the address he was going to stay at for a 3 month holiday (6 Gosbell St, Paddington) was the home of a Mr. Manfred Joachim Lehninger, who had just received his Certificate of Naturalisation. But for the life of me, I cannot find the Chusan coming to Australia during the years in question. India (early 1971); fire in Southampton dock (July 71); South Africa (Dec 71 -Jan 72) and decommissioned (1973). Why aren't these things straightforward?

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