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[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

KBR - Belgicapress

Does this actually say he died? I know accident reversing into oncoming traffic BUT does it say ‘died’ ?? My French is non existent but I’m not seeing …décédés in this article.??

KBR - Belgicapress


BECAUSE my other theory is IF he didn’t die… and the scars on Wonka are from this accident.

 

[Roseberry]

Does this actually say he died? I know accident reversing into oncoming traffic BUT does it say ‘died’ ?? My French is non existent but I’m not seeing …décédés in this article.??

KBR - Belgicapress


BECAUSE my other theory is IF he didn’t die… and the scars on Wonka are from this accident.

If you go to the link and look at the other entry- 1963, that's the car accident where Freddy David as the driver, reversed into oncoming traffic (a driver who was overtaking a French car) and died instantly of a broken neck, along with two other people - the fiancee of the driver of the other car and another in his car.

The link you're looking at is the Lazarus FD, arising from the dead, and having a car accident in Foy, with a young woman and her friend in the car (but my French is bad).

There was also another car accident ref upthread, in that era, where a fiancee died.

Lots of car accidents, or 'accidents' in cars.

 

[mishy66]

Does this actually say he died? I know accident reversing into oncoming traffic BUT does it say ‘died’ ?? My French is non existent but I’m not seeing …décédés in this article.??

KBR - Belgicapress


BECAUSE my other theory is IF he didn’t die… and the scars on Wonka are from this accident.

There are a couple accidents under 'Freddy David' after his the death notice 1963


1965 - as you have found
(poorly translated !!)
Overturned car.
Monday, around 15:30 a car
piloted by Mr. Freddy David dom
ciliated to Nives and who had to bor
ant. Mill* R. Depouille and her friend
the, hit a catapult on the burp-
from de Houffalize, shortly before the villa
ait de Foy and, after performing pr
Several barrels over a length
50 meters, found herself the rou
up in the air. The driver was hos
hospitalized in the Bastogne clinic.
of the two female passengers came out inden
from the nes of adventure.


Also a criminal charge 1968

* THE WHOLE family are criminals*

The last charge by 'Freddy David' is 1968

 

[KiwiNZ]

Does this actually say he died? I know accident reversing into oncoming traffic BUT does it say ‘died’ ?? My French is non existent but I’m not seeing …décédés in this article.??

KBR - Belgicapress


BECAUSE my other theory is IF he didn’t die… and the scars on Wonka are from this accident.

sorry bad translation but not dead as far as I can tell

Monday, around 3:30 p.m., a car driven by Mr. Feddy David domcile in Nives and who had M, depoulle and his friend hits a cataphote on the ..... of houffalize, shortly before the villa of foyet. After having effected sieurs barrels over a length of 50 meters was found the rouen the air. The Driver was hosptalised in the clinic of bastogne passanger came out of the adventure

 

[mishy66]

Robert Coppenolle
Born 10 June 1916 - Boroughbridge, Yorkshire
Death 1963

1 son

Family tree of Robert Coppenolle

Family tree of Robert dit "Bobby" COPPENOLLE

Unmarried
1938 Accident - Spinal fracture
since then, atropia - leg paralysis
Invalid

Political prisoner in Buchenwald.

Arrest Date 19 Feb 1944

Transported May 8, 1944 to Buchenwald, prisoner 54085

Assigned 24 May 1944

His fiancée had also been arrested and interned in Ravensbrück concentration camp, but she died 11 days before the camp was liberated.

20 april 1945 - liberated by the US Army

https://www.myheritage.com/person-1000017_114076071_114076071/robert-coppenolle#


Search for documents in the Arolsen Archives | 01010503 oS - Individual Files (male) - Concentration Camp Buchenwald


Ian Robb's story



20 04 1949 Le Soir

KBR - Belgicapress
Correctional court
＿
TOURNIA
Convicted crook
Robert Coppenolle, domiciled in
Ramegnies-Chin, was sentenced
by default, Tuesday morning, by sorting-
bunal, to one year in prison and 700 fr.
fine for fraudulent-
embezzled a sum of 20.000
frank, to the detriment of Mrs. Elvire
Dubois


Robert marries a divorced Italian woman - M.P. after the war



Northern Virginia Sun 16 March 1965 — Virginia Chronicle: Digital Newspaper Archive - de hedervary

* JUST EDITED THIS POST TO DELETE A SMALL SECTION THAT IS UNRELATED AND WHICH I ACCIDENTLY ADDED INTO TO MY PREVIOUS POST .....TO SAVE ANY CONFUSION GOING FORWARD.

SEE PREVIOUS POST FOR ALL ATTACHEMENTS RELATED TO ABOVE

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Regarding IK passenger card…

so looking down the bottom where Gosbell street is there’s a name..

M J Mestdagh which is the person who lives at Gosbell street where IK is staying with.

originally I though Mestdagh was Hestdagh.. but no what I thought was H is in fact M.

MJ Mestdagh (Marie-Jeanne) born 10 Jan 1949 in Belgium departed from Rotterdam 11 Feb 1969.

RB stated in inquest IK had a friend in Australia.


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[mishy66]

Regarding IK passenger card…

so looking down the bottom where Gosbell street is there’s a name..

M J Mestdagh which is the person who lives at Gosbell street where IK is staying with.

originally I though Mestdagh was Hestdagh.. but no what I thought was H is in fact M.

MJ Mestdagh (Marie-Jeanne) born 10 Jan 1949 in Belgium departed from Rotterdam 11 Feb 1969.

RB stated in inquest IK had a friend in Australia.


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SO frustrating isnt it!
I first searched for this person under that name to see if she was the one travelling with baby Wouters but no luck.

Maybe I will have a search and see what her marital status was after her arrival here.

It is like a 30 arm octopus this case!

 

[BonnieB]

If Freddy David did die in a car accident in 1963, I suspect that 'pile of pond scum' was using his dead cousin's ID to commit frauds in 1968. Who really went to jail for 12 months in 1968? Is that where he dreamed up the fantasy of being propositioned in a hotel foyer in Switzerland. Is a Swiss chalet a euphemism for a jail cell? "In & out" pftt..

 

[mishy66]

If Freddy David did die in a car accident in 1963, I suspect that 'pile of pond scum' was using his dead cousin's ID to commit frauds in 1968. Who really went to jail for 12 months in 1968? Is that where he dreamed up the fantasy of being propositioned in a hotel foyer in Switzerland. Is a Swiss chalet a euphemism for a jail cell?

yep for sure

 

[Roseberry]

sorry bad translation but not dead as far as I can tell

Monday, around 3:30 p.m., a car driven by Mr. Feddy David domcile in Nives and who had M, depoulle and his friend hits a cataphote on the ..... of houffalize, shortly before the villa of foyet. After having effected sieurs barrels over a length of 50 meters was found the rouen the air. The Driver was hosptalised in the clinic of bastogne passanger came out of the adventure

Article on 17/04/1963

Three Dead In Overtaking Accident

......in the second car, the driver, M. Freddy David, was also killed instantly following a fracture of the cervical spine........

but that's just my translation - French-speaking sleuths step up!

 

[mishy66]

Regarding IK passenger card…

so looking down the bottom where Gosbell street is there’s a name..

M J Mestdagh which is the person who lives at Gosbell street where IK is staying with.

originally I though Mestdagh was Hestdagh.. but no what I thought was H is in fact M.

MJ Mestdagh (Marie-Jeanne) born 10 Jan 1949 in Belgium departed from Rotterdam 11 Feb 1969.

RB stated in inquest IK had a friend in Australia.


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Just reposting up the passenger cards for babyWouters and IK as per link previously
The baby card is not IK handwriting and the baby just can not possibly be flying by herself!

WHO is with her.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Just reposting up the passenger cards for babyWouters and IK as per link previously
The baby card is not IK handwriting and the baby just can not possibly be flying by herself!

WHO is with her.

Interesting that Ilona would be leaving on a wouters passport…. Considering she was here for a short time. But long enough to have a baby… and it appears long enough for her job skill to move from Domestic in her arrivals card to Hairdresser by the time she departed?

edit: Also her nationality changed from Hungarian when arriving to Belgian when leaving.

would she have a routers passport to travel on? Arrived on IK… left on IW?

 

[KiwiNZ]

Regarding IK passenger card…

so looking down the bottom where Gosbell street is there’s a name..

M J Mestdagh which is the person who lives at Gosbell street where IK is staying with.

originally I though Mestdagh was Hestdagh.. but no what I thought was H is in fact M.

MJ Mestdagh (Marie-Jeanne) born 10 Jan 1949 in Belgium departed from Rotterdam 11 Feb 1969.

RB stated in inquest IK had a friend in Australia.


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MJ Mestdagh
In coming passenger card
View digital copy (naa.gov.au)
page 1061

 

[mishy66]

Interesting that Ilona would be leaving on a wouters passport…. Considering she was here for a short time. But long enough to have a baby… and it appears long enough for her job skill to move from Domestic in her arrivals card to Hairdresser by the time she departed?

edit: Also her nationality changed from Hungarian when arriving to Belgian when leaving.

would she have a routers passport to travel on? Arrived on IK… left on IW?

There are MANY discrepancies on her cards - that was my point earlier.

On her arrival passenger card it does say hairdresser (coiffeuse) + domestic

BUT MORE interestingly I found the Nationality section, Country of birth, The birthdate etc on her outgoing passenger card is NOT her handwriting.

She wrote her entry card but she didn't write her outgoing card IMO

This is why I said look closely at all their travel cards coming in and out.

 

[Zanzibar]

The only sticking point I have with MB and RB travelling together to Heathrow is that, as far as we know, RB did not have a passport in the name of FNR, at that time his passport was in the name of RW. At checkin, passport control, border control UK, filling out landing cards on board the aircraft..all points where MB might have seen a name other than FNR...how did he square this when MB had already got her official name change to FNMR?

I’m sorry mom cherie, alas I could not get the same flight, but I am only mere hours behind you.

 

[Zanzibar]

Border control might check though. I related a story a while back in this forum whereby I had my 2 passports with me (dual citizenship) and to avoid having to get a visa to enter a French DOM-TOM a in the Pacific used the European one rather than the Oz one, but the passport control spotted no recent exit stamp fro Europe on it and wanted to know where I had been for 5 years! I mean mine were légtime passports and in the same name, but it tells me that swapping passports half way does run the risk of being questioned.

I’m thinking he could have easily been travelling between Europe and Japan on one passport and between Japan and Australia on another?

 

[Estelle]

The only sticking point I have with MB and RB travelling together to Heathrow is that, as far as we know, RB did not have a passport in the name of FNR, at that time his passport was in the name of RW. At checkin, passport control, border control UK, filling out landing cards on board the aircraft..all points where MB might have seen a name other than FNR...how did he square this when MB had already got her official name change to FNMR?

IMO RB may not have had an Australian passport in the surname of Remakel, but as he had stolen the real Remakel's ID, could he have gotten a Luxembourg EU passport (fake or real)? After all, he said he obtained a Luxembourg driver's licence which then enabled him to get an Australian driver's licence in the name of Remakel.

The Luxembourg passport offers the possibility to travel to 187 countries in the world without a visa. It is considered by the Henley Passport Index study to be one of the most powerful passports in the world behind Japan and Singapore tied for first place, Finland, Germany and South Korea tied for second place.

 

[ruby925]

IMO RB may not have had an Australian passport in the surname of Remakel, but as he had stolen the real Remakel's ID, could he have gotten a Luxembourg EU passport (fake or real)? After all, he said he obtained a Luxembourg driver's licence which then enabled him to get an Australian driver's licence in the name of Remakel.

The Luxembourg passport offers the possibility to travel to 187 countries in the world without a visa. It is considered by the Henley Passport Index study to be one of the most powerful passports in the world behind Japan and Singapore tied for first place, Finland, Germany and South Korea tied for second place.

Until now, I don't think any evidence has been presented that WW had fake passports in any name, so maybe more to come in the next part of the inquest. I can't find it in my notes, but I thought the stolen Remakel ID was an International driving license, from which WW was able to get an Aus license. Not sure whether an Intl driving license would be official ID for an EU passport application.

 

[Estelle]

IMO RB may not have had an Australian passport in the surname of Remakel, but as he had stolen the real Remakel's ID, could he have gotten a Luxembourg EU passport (fake or real)? After all, he said he obtained a Luxembourg driver's licence which then enabled him to get an Australian driver's licence in the name of Remakel.

The Luxembourg passport offers the possibility to travel to 187 countries in the world without a visa. It is considered by the Henley Passport Index study to be one of the most powerful passports in the world behind Japan and Singapore tied for first place, Finland, Germany and South Korea tied for second place.

Buy Luxembourgish passports online - Luxembourg passport for sale - #1 Exquisite fake Luxemburg book

 

[mishy66]

I could have missed it long ago when looking through IK files but when the NAA files were updated last week on this case, I noticed IK had an extra medical form in it - stating heart - normal.
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