Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #12

[hoodunnit]

Thanks to the links made by other sleuths, it really helped sort this side out!

Such a confusing family to work out.
They all had family names/nicknames !

Collating it all here so it makes some sort of sense.
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can't access a lot of the links as they require subscription.
Did you find any actual birth records for RGordonW then? On Ancestry I haven't been able to. I apologise if it's in here and I've missed it.

 

[Newby171]

This is an article in English
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/orph...-survivors-reunite-over-70-years-later-656631

 

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Thanks to the links made by other sleuths, it really helped sort this side out!

Such a confusing family to work out.
They all had family names/nicknames !

Collating it all here so it makes some sort of sense.

R.G.Walker (D.Walker father) - Family name "GORDON"
BIRTH 24 JAN 1912 Coolgardie Western Australia
DEATH 20 JAN 1987 Sydney N.S.W. Australia


In this Trove article - it links R.PENROSE.W. and E.C.Andersons brother ALBERT of the Anderson Meat Company -https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/220315606?searchTerm=%22Alfred%20William%20Anderson%20%22
A Light Matter. - TWO ELECTRIC GLOBES. AND A SCADDAN CERTIFICATE. - Truth (Perth, WA : 1903 - 1931) - 25 Aug 1917

His parents:

R. PENROSE " DICKY" Walker. born 1887
https://www.myheritage.com/research?action=query&formId=master&formMode=1&qname=Name+fn.Robert/3penrose+fnmo.2+fnmsvos.1+fnmsmi.1+ln.Walker+lnmo.4+lnmsdm.1+lnmsmf3.1+lnmsrs.1
(sorry it won't allow me to attach report)

Death - June 26 1963 - age 74
27 Jun 1963, Page 18 - The Sydney Morning Herald at Newspapers.com
(see attachment)

Marriage to E.C. Anderson- June 1911
Family Notices - Sunday Times (Perth, WA : 1902 - 1954) - 28 May 1911
(see attachment)

Divorce - June 1938 (desertion) - RGW would have been about 26
IN DIVORCE. - (Before Mr. Justice Roper.) WROBEL V WROBEL. - The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) - 1 Jul 1938
(see attachments)

RGW sister E.H. WYNNE P.– Married 1934 Waverley, New South Wales - James Frederick Palme (his 2nd Marriage).
I have been unable to find her under the W name and she was the first born, given the Mothers Gravestone notice so I feel Elsie was born from another relationship ECAnderson had and it doesn't matter in the scheme of things but just for those still searching for her.
RGW death notice has her as Wynne - her family name. Linked previously.
(see attachment)

E.H. WYNNE P. Death and Will notice - 1988
21 Oct 1998, Page 22 - The Sydney Morning Herald at Newspapers.com
(See attachment)

E.C. Anderson Walker died - 1965
28 Aug 1965, Page 89 - The Sydney Morning Herald at Newspapers.com
(see attachment)
Interesting address ....and Will Notice...Pensioner
20 Nov 1965, Page 28 - The Sydney Morning Herald at Newspapers.com
(see attachment)

She is buried with her Parents
Elizabeth Caroline Walker (Anderson) Died: 27 Aug 1965 BillionGraves Record
(see attachment)

Her Brother Alfred Anderson death - 1956 ( for some reason I feel this is important....)
7 Aug 1956, Page 20 - The Sydney Morning Herald at Newspapers.com

great information thank you ...

Elizabeth Anderson died in 1945 at age 33 ..very young age to die ?

She must of been born 1912 ? and Charles died at age 63 in 1923 ?

I am guessing Wynne was a Walker as it says she is the daughter of Elizabeth Caroline Walker , that grave stone also has a Elizabeth Anderson died at 79 in 1965 , That grave stone reads like she died twice , when things get added i guess they left out the Caroline ?

 

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Good links about Marie Albert Blum everyone. Yonah Tiefenbrunner was also a prominent name re Jewish orphanages in Belgium during the same time. Tempting to keep looking for RB as Jewish because there are so many records of these children during WW2. RB's account is not clear why he was in an orphanage from approx 1942 , possibly because of his mother's amputation/disability but it could have been to keep him safe from deportation if the family was Jewish. Either way, it is clear there were thousands of 'orphans' accommodated in Belgium during that time as Jews fled the Nazis from all over Europe. The survivors' stories paint vivid pictures, sad and harrowing as families were split up. I understand now why RB said at the inquest he didn't really know who he was.

Its incredibly sad and horrible the amount of trauma these people went and continued to go through to this day

I was pretty much under the impression he doesn't really know who he is ...IMO

 

[hoodunnit]

great information thank you ...

Elizabeth Anderson died in 1945 at age 33 ..very young age to die ?

She must of been born 1912 ? and Charles died at age 63 in 1923 ?

I am guessing Wynne was a Walker as it says she is the daughter of Elizabeth Caroline Walker , that grave stone also has a Elizabeth Anderson died at 79 in 1965 , That grave stone reads like she died twice , when things get added i guess they left out the Caroline ?

If you enlarge the image it reads -
John Charles Anderson died in 1923 aged 63.
Also
Elizabeth Anderson (his wife). She died in 1945 aged 83.
Then Elizabeth Caroline Walker (mother of Wynne and Gordon (Mrs Wonka's husband). She died in 1965 aged 79

So many Elizabeths

 

[mishy66]

great information thank you ...

Elizabeth Anderson died in 1945 at age 33 ..very young age to die ?

She must of been born 1912 ? and Charles died at age 63 in 1923 ?

I am guessing Wynne was a Walker as it says she is the daughter of Elizabeth Caroline Walker , that grave stone also has a Elizabeth Anderson died at 79 in 1965 , That grave stone reads like she died twice , when things get added i guess they left out the Caroline ?

Huh???

If you see my timeline it shows ECAndersonW died in 1965.
She is buried with her parents as I said.
And no, I dont think Elsie "Wynne" is from the Walker marriage... I havent found any evidence of that and I have searched through all the family links. Unless you have found something?
In any case as stated, it isn't important in the scheme of things.

 

[mishy66]

@hoodunnit
Thats why I added the attachments .

I am still going on RPENROSEW family but put it all up so others who are also searching have the right names etc

 

[hoodunnit]

Huh???

If you see my timeline it shows ECAndersonW died in 1965.
She is buried with her parents as I said.
And no, I dont think Elsie "Wynne" is from the Walker marriage... I havent found any evidence of that and I have searched through all the family links. Unless you have found something?
In any case as stated, it isn't important in the scheme of things.

Did you find evidence of birth of RGW? I couldn't find anything on Ancestry and your links to MyHeritage need a subscription so I can't see.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/9052017042/ref=dbs_a_def_awm_bibl_vppi_i0

a book written by Marie Blum-Albert about the orphanage and the jewish orphans…..
so so so curious about the names and possibly pictures in this book!

would it be in libraries? Online?

I’ve searched everywhere but can only find purchase.. I thought perhaps nowadays there would be a digital copy but haven’t found one.

 

[MrsWattle]

This may have been posted previously.
1949 census. Three Walkers at 94a

 

[mishy66]

Did you find evidence of birth of RGW? I couldn't find anything on Ancestry and your links to MyHeritage need a subscription so I can't see.

Yes R. Gordon. W history has been posted up before. If you do a search you should be able to find it.
But here is another attachment for you - link been posted up previously.

 

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If you enlarge the image it reads -
John Charles Anderson died in 1923 aged 63.
Also
Elizabeth Anderson (his wife). She died in 1945 aged 83.
Then Elizabeth Caroline Walker (mother of Wynne and Gordon (Mrs Wonka's husband). She died in 1965 aged 79

So many Elizabeths

yes so it is , haha , these names do heads in after awhile , easier to call themselves Betty or Lizzy , Beth , Bett anything but Elizabeth (wasnt Willy Mrs Wonkas husband ? ) Gordon is Robert as in Walker Mrs Wonkas father ? haha

Anyway it seems like sleuths have found some if not most of the family tree that counts i guess , so where to from here ?

does any one have any ideas ?

 

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Huh???

If you see my timeline it shows ECAndersonW died in 1965.
She is buried with her parents as I said.
And no, I don't think Elsie "Wynne" is from the Walker marriage... I havent found any evidence of that and I have searched through all the family links. Unless you have found something?
In any case as stated, it isn't important in the scheme of things.

Oh Ok , no i don't have any , I was just going on the inscription on the grave where it says she is the daughter of Elizabeth Caroline Walker . ?

as you say not important in the scheme of things .

where to now ? What are we finding out besides the blood line ?

finding the orphanages tells us a bit more about RB history and reasonable explanations for
many of his alias and we know his MO maybe not all individual details , Just curious what else can be gleaned if anything before the inquiry/inquest continues ?

 

[mishy66]

Another link with more details. d.2001
Still no idea if connected to RB

Marie Blum

How one child survived the Holocaust because of his mother’s incredible sacrifice | The Bridgehead

Another insight into Marie Blum

 

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Oh Ok , no i don't have any , I was just going on the inscription on the grave where it says she is the daughter of Elizabeth Caroline Walker . ?

as you say not important in the scheme of things .

where to now ? What are we finding out besides the blood line ?

finding the orphanages tells us a bit more about RB history and reasonable explanations for
many of his alias and we know his MO maybe not all individual details , Just curious what else can be gleaned if anything before the inquiry/inquest continues ?

Edit to add i found a few Robert Walker (Gorden) ...Just curious what this one was https://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/items/ITM1615806

And also was Robert Gordon from WA wifes name Dorothy ? Who was Peggy ?
Just trying to figure out somethings .

 

[mishy66]

Oh Ok , no i don't have any , I was just going on the inscription on the grave where it says she is the daughter of Elizabeth Caroline Walker . ?

as you say not important in the scheme of things .

where to now ? What are we finding out besides the blood line ?

finding the orphanages tells us a bit more about RB history and reasonable explanations for
many of his alias and we know his MO maybe not all individual details , Just curious what else can be gleaned if anything before the inquiry/inquest continues ?

No idea, what have you found in your own researching?

 

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How one child survived the Holocaust because of his mother’s incredible sacrifice | The Bridgehead

Another insight into Marie Blum

yes it shows why he wanted to be a Blum

 

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No idea, what have you found in your own researching?

many many rabbit holes , and following leads that lead no where most of the time and barking up the wrong trees although not always and found some amazing history along the way of lives i never knew existed and some extremely entangled traumatic stories with very complex histories

Maybe i might try to work out where Marion may have sourced her fake name for awhile now .

 

[Carovb5]

How one child survived the Holocaust because of his mother’s incredible sacrifice | The Bridgehead

Another insight into Marie Blum

The book that's mentioned seems very interesting. It might include his name used in the orphanage.

It includes: "a register of Jewish children who survived the Occupation in the homes of the Association des juifs de Belgique (p. 277-284)."

Holocaust Survivors and Victims Database -- ZE HEBBEN HET OVERLEEFD / Sylvain Brachfeld.

 

[mishy66]

The book that's mentioned seems very interesting. It might include his name used in the orphanage.

It includes: "a register of Jewish children who survived the Occupation in the homes of the Association des juifs de Belgique (p. 277-284)."

Holocaust Survivors and Victims Database -- ZE HEBBEN HET OVERLEEFD / Sylvain Brachfeld.

Yes it is sobering isn't it.

I have just been looking through this @Carovb5

Browse by Name | Remember Me: Displaced Children of the Holocaust