Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #12

[Meligator]

I am interested in the Ballina Coins phone number listed in the 1994 ‘Le Courrier Australian’ Ad
RB says no one ever answered it.
But perhaps RB used it as a contact number for himself also in 1997??
RB said at the inquest that he shared Ballina Coin office with his accountant “Barry”and that He(accountant) is now retired on the Gold Coast
Have I remembered this correctly??
Perhaps Barry remembers taking phone calls for women asking for RB or one of his many aliases??
All IMO/MOO

At the inquest RB says “I know you talked to him,” speaking of Barry — I hope we hear from this Barry guy.

 

[Meligator]

He may have booked cruise as FD because he was already in tons of legal trouble and may have not been able to get visa’s as WW. I think he was traveling either to hide assets in AU or collect stolen goods he had left in AU— tying up loose ends before prison. DdH presented an opportunity (scam) of convenience and he kept up the scam while in prison (I mean he had time on his hands).

 

[ruby925]

TBH i cannot see why it is thought he could be working on the ship ? Neither of them said it and it was not bought up in court and to assume he could not afford it so worked on board is just unnecessary imagination IMO I cant imagine him working on it anyway. I think he was on it because the Walkers were also on it .

I only suggested it because at that time, a non-assisted passage to Australia was very expensive whether by ship or aircraft. I had another look at the FD arrival card, seems the visa was issued in Brussels on 25nov1970 as a B2 Visitor visa, so accept it was unlikely he was working on the ship. Is there any evidence when and where he met the Walkers and Diane eg in UK or mainland Europe, any connection at all?

 

[BabeBlues]

@Eyespywithmylittleeye @MrsWattle @BonnieB @centred I had mentioned this a while ago but it didn't seem to be relevant, at the time no WS's commented so I figured it must have already been discussed and dismissed?

Renov Pubs could very well be a stamp dealers business name. PUBS is short for publicity stamps in Europe (mostly Belgium that I can see) which I guess are similar to commemorative stamps some of which are limited editions and over time become quite valuable.

Maybe RB's business Renov Pubs is marketing and dealing these pubs stamps? Maybe renov means restoring, restoring stamps??

Belgium 1938 - The two most rare Pubs from - auction online Catawiki

33515 Belgium PUBs 1930-1932. – Smits Philately

Pubs (eurostamps.be)

 

[KiwiNZ]

I have searched and searched @MrsWattle.
FDW birthdate states 1942
Wonks at inquest says, 'a brother died before AW..... about 30 or so years ago' so given the other 'brother' DDW is an alias wonks has never used, it stands to reason he is still alive * ( I think we all know this to be the case), so that leaves FDW. And apart from the paper writeup I posted a while back that a FD died in accident, and looks to be dismissed by sleuths, I can not find anything else on that.
There are three indications that FDW is indeed deceased.
1. The Gentrees that show he is
2. IF you believe wonks
3. The newspaper clipping ( which was longer that "30 odd yrs ago" but that is wonkas wording)

DDH was asked what family did RB have in Europe when he visited she said AW, MC, FD and DD ( according to her one was around the same age as RB and the other younger)

She also said she stayed with the family when she went back after getting married.

If we are to believe her they were all alive in 1980

 

[BabeBlues]

The 1977 Electoral Roll shows the DeH's were living at 1/303 Old South West Road, Bondi. He is listed as an artist and Diane as a secretary.
Can anyone suggest what kind of 'artist' he may have been? Lol.

Based on my suggestion of Renov Pubs being stamp dealing, maybe he considered himself an artist due to restoring stamps??

Renov Pubs could very well be a stamp dealers business name. PUBS is short for publicity stamps in Europe (mostly Belgium that I can see) which I guess are similar to commemorative stamps some of which are limited editions and over time become quite valuable.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

@Eyespywithmylittleeye @MrsWattle @BonnieB @centred I had mentioned this a while ago but it didn't seem to be relevant, at the time no WS's commented so I figured it must have already been discussed and dismissed?

Renov Pubs could very well be a stamp dealers business name. PUBS is short for publicity stamps in Europe (mostly Belgium that I can see) which I guess are similar to commemorative stamps some of which are limited editions and over time become quite valuable.

Maybe RB's business Renov Pubs is marketing and dealing these pubs stamps? Maybe renov means restoring, restoring stamps??

Belgium 1938 - The two most rare Pubs from - auction online Catawiki

33515 Belgium PUBs 1930-1932. – Smits Philately

Pubs (eurostamps.be)

Interesting!
So out of curiosity in Belgium do places that sell and trade PUBS also trade coins?

 

[MrsWattle]

Kids loved collecting stamps, I remember being in a stamp club subscription where they would send random stamps in an envelope.
I think Alec Rosenblum from Australia wrote a few hand books.
I can imagine the stamp sellers needed contacts all over the world to send new and used stamps. Some stamps where magnificent and didn't look real. Some stamps looked freshly printed. Imagine that millions of kids collecting stamps around the world. Might get my stamp collection out.

 

[MrsWattle]

Modern Australian Stamp Printers - Philatelic Database

Now I'm curious about stamp printers nearby to Wonka's travel path. Amsterdam, Europe England, UK, (Mint st. Rye). He could have just simply looked in newspapers for obituary notices and also targeted deceased estate sales, or just hunted for valuable coins, stamps, diamonds, gold and ivory.

 

[BabeBlues]

Interesting!
So out of curiosity in Belgium do places that sell and trade PUBS also trade coins?

I personally don't know but it seems coin collecting/selling and stamp collecting/selling or trading are in the same realms. Known as philatelic (stamp) and numismatic (coin) collecting/trading
Philatelic and Numismatic Marketplace - numismaticayfilatelia

Comm Coinage - Australian Coins, Banknotes & PNCs - Comm Coinage

Philately, postcards, numismatics, catalogues and accesories | Main page | Darabanth Co., Ltd.

 

[BabeBlues]

Kids loved collecting stamps, I remember being in a stamp club subscription where they would send random stamps in an envelope.
I think Alec Rosenblum from Australia wrote a few hand books.
I can imagine the stamp sellers needed contacts all over the world to send new and used stamps. Some stamps where magnificent and didn't look real. Some stamps looked freshly printed. Imagine that millions of kids collecting stamps around the world. Might get my stamp collection out.

These PUBs stamps seem to be somewhat more valuable depending on the rarity and quality.

 

[BabeBlues]

A very interesting story about a philatelic legend who was a master forgerer of stamps.

Quote "which fooled the great and good experts of the day, were philatelic pieces of ‘art’."

@BonnieB there's the artist

The Philatelic Artist Legendary Collector #30 – Jean de Sperati - David Feldman SA

Let's not forget Wonka was arrested for forging cheques in Europe etc as seen on the NAA files

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

A very interesting story about a philatelic legend who was a master forgerer of stamps.

Quote "which fooled the great and good experts of the day, were philatelic pieces of ‘art’."

@BonnieB there's the artist

The Philatelic Artist Legendary Collector #30 – Jean de Sperati - David Feldman SA

Let's not forget Wonka was arrested for forging cheques in Europe etc as seen on the NAA files

List of stamp forgers - Wikipedia

blum lol

EDIT
The Blum forgeries: 600 forged postmarks and expert marks.

 

[BabeBlues]

List of stamp forgers - Wikipedia

blum lol

EDIT
The Blum forgeries: 600 forged postmarks and expert marks.

This stamp forgery is pretty big. How to spot a fake -
German Stamp Forgeries, et al, ARE BACK!!! - The eBay Community

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Gawd the coincidences …

Recognised as the first dealer in stamps

Jean-Baptiste Philippe Constant Moens (27 May 1833, Tournai – 28 April 1908)

Moens began collecting stamps from his family's mail as a boy in Tournai. He was the son of Colette Blangenois and Phillipe Moens, a soldier. He began with a small business in coins. By 1853, at age nineteen, he was buying and selling new and second-hand books, and stamps, from the Galerie Borthier, a covered walkway in central Brussels.[2] Within a decade he was putting out a stamp catalog with illustrated supplements.

Jean-Baptiste Moens - Wikipedia

 

[centred]

Some great posts this morning , no time now to single anything out , however ,
if you went through those links yesterday re Barry and and the associations in Australia and a history of collectors , I read many and what stood out to me was a period of boom in Australia that fortunes were made and it fizzled out or leveled back out so to speak .

Thee were also periods that government caps and rules re imports curtailed certain activities , also dealers in Australia were far and few in the beginning .

So bringing in stuff from overseas on the sly would or could have been lucrative for some on small and large scale .

Sunny Sunday ....so just some thing to chew over re latest posts and links IMO

 

[Estelle]

I only suggested it because at that time, a non-assisted passage to Australia was very expensive whether by ship or aircraft. I had another look at the FD arrival card, seems the visa was issued in Brussels on 25nov1970 as a B2 Visitor visa, so accept it was unlikely he was working on the ship. Is there any evidence when and where he met the Walkers and Diane eg in UK or mainland Europe, any connection at all?

RB still could have got his Tourist Visa in one name, worked on the ship using another name, then abandoned the ship when they got to Sydney and used his Tourist visa to enter as was his plan.

 

[BabeBlues]

Some great posts this morning , no time now to single anything out , however ,
if you went through those links yesterday re Barry and and the associations in Australia and a history of collectors , I read many and what stood out to me was a period of boom in Australia that fortunes were made and it fizzled out or leveled back out so to speak .

Thee were also periods that government caps and rules re imports curtailed certain activities , also dealers in Australia were far and few in the beginning .

So bringing in stuff from overseas on the sly would or could have been lucrative for some on small and large scale .

Sunny Sunday ....so just some thing to chew over re latest posts and links IMO

For me it was the name RENOV PUBS that clicked when I discovered that Belgium publicity stamps are known as PUBs and seem to be quite a lucrative stamp collector/dealer thing especially in Europe, the UK, USA & Canada.

Enjoy your Sunny Sunday.

 

[mishy66]

List of stamp forgers - Wikipedia

blum lol

EDIT
The Blum forgeries: 600 forged postmarks and expert marks.

On the money!
and stamps...

There are no coincidences ....

 

[mishy66]

I know there are a few ABN business names with uncanny coincidences but this one stood out.

Interesting MC's husband Desire Jean-Pierre David died in Congo 1943 but on this tree his son is born 1945

Coffee break

Incredible technology utilising the Aust Business Register without a computer or knowledge of......