Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #12

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

QLD is the problem

Changing your name

can be changed once a year

 

[mishy66]

Interesting… do you think MB ended up in Uk at a Bruhderhof community? Teaching? Money withdrawn to hand over ? not suggesting you are just curious on your thoughts

No I don't. I think MB grew suspicious and tried to come home... / or did come home and met her demise.

BUT I do believe that RB and W have a strong connection to this community....... and I am wondering if this has ever been looked into ?? Do you know @Eyespywithmylittleeye , you have been here a lot longer than I have.

THIS whole Bruderhof thing is ringing alarm bells with me!!!!!

 

[centred]

Bruderhof members do not hold Communitiesd private property, but rather share everything.[27] Members work inside the Bruderhof, and nobody receives a salary or has a bank account. Income from all businesses is pooled and used for the care of all members and for various communal outreach efforts.[28] Every member of the organization must take a vow that he or she is willing "to put yourself completely at the disposal of the church community to the end of your life – all your faculties, the entire strength of your body and soul, and all your property, both that which you now possess and that which you may later inherit or earn

Bruderhof Communities - Wikipedia

This community is interesting !

IMO i can see Marion being swayed by this type of community , especially after her experiences in main stream schools , history with relationships and her state of mind at the time.

Not owning anything and no bank accounts , technology and simple living , it would be easy not to be traced .

The fact that all of a persons money is invested in buying properties and the continuation of the community and all needs catered for , the fact it is on the highway leading from Grafton and a chapter in Armidale , might also explain that phone call re her death and disappearance in the area. The community would protect her anonymity . Also members do not HAVE to live on site .

Just finding this as a possible link back to Marion Barter .

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

It seems not everyone enjoys bruderhof

Bruderhof: My dark past growing up in a rural English commune

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

No I don't. I think MB grew suspicious and tried to come home... / or did come home and met her demise.

BUT I do believe that RB and W have a strong connection to this community....... and I am wondering if this has ever been looked into ?? Do you know @Eyespywithmylittleeye , you have been here a lot longer than I have.

THIS whole Bruderhof thing is ringing alarm bells with me!!!!!

Not to my knowledge no it hasn’t been looked at. The only religious/ cult thing were the early days of podcast and the one around Nimbin

 

[mishy66]

It seems not everyone enjoys bruderhof

Bruderhof: My dark past growing up in a rural English commune

No. There are a lot of people that have spoken out about the communities, I wasnt sure whether to post up or not. That particular one you have there is a really interesting read.
On the front of it, this community is something I see MB enjoying finding out about and a lot of it aligns with what we know of her so far.
I think he used this community to entice his victims. There are so many connections to all of this I cant let it go now.
It starts with the family of Weiss ( RPW 2nd wife) and ends with where we are today.
Too much to be coincidental.
I have sent what I have to TLV

 

[TootsieFootsie]

The limit on how many times you can change your name in New South Wales has not always been there.

I'm not sure when it changed, but I remember seeing a story at the time, and wondering if there were any people who had been thinking of changing their name again but were too late because of the new rules.

I've had a look but haven't found when the change came in.

 

[BonnieB]

No I don't. I think MB grew suspicious and tried to come home... / or did come home and met her demise.

BUT I do believe that RB and W have a strong connection to this community....... and I am wondering if this has ever been looked into ?? Do you know @Eyespywithmylittleeye , you have been here a lot longer than I have.

THIS whole Bruderhof thing is ringing alarm bells with me!!!!!

I really can't see Mr.Aka having any connection (as a member) to this "cult society" as RB once said, unless there was monetary gain somewhere for him.
I'm more inclined to think along the lines of a connection to a property or business in the Inverell area or a person from Inverell. Perhaps a trucking or removalist business.
That shipping container still bugs me; it went somewhere and someone definitely knows something!

 

[mishy66]

I really can't see Mr.Aka having any connection (as a member) to this "cult society" as RB once said, unless there was monetary gain somewhere for him.
I'm more inclined to think along the lines of a connection to a property or business in the Inverell area or a person from Inverell. Perhaps a trucking or removalist business.
That shipping container still bugs me; it went somewhere and someone definitely knows something!

Yes, I am not saying he is a member at all....

 

[Estelle]

No. There are a lot of people that have spoken out about the communities, I wasnt sure whether to post up or not. That particular one you have there is a really interesting read.
On the front of it, this community is something I see MB enjoying finding out about and a lot of it aligns with what we know of her so far.
I think he used this community to entice his victims. There are so many connections to all of this I cant let it go now.
It starts with the family of Weiss ( RPW 2nd wife) and ends with where we are today.
Too much to be coincidental.
I have sent what I have to TLV

How do you think RB enticed his victims to this community? What would his motivation have been?

How are you applying it to Marion?

 

[BonnieB]

Yes, I am not saying he is a member at all....

Sorry @mishy66, I probably misunderstood when you said he might use the community to entice victims. I took that as meaning he was a member.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

My thoughts are that he did entice Marion with the dream of eventually starting her own school in the UK.

 

[hoodunnit]

I can't remember; in the podcast, who initially suggested that MB may have joined a cult?

 

[BonnieB]

I really can't see Mr.Aka having any connection (as a member) to this "cult society" as RB once said, unless there was monetary gain somewhere for him.
I'm more inclined to think along the lines of a connection to a property or business in the Inverell area or a person from Inverell. Perhaps a trucking or removalist business.
That shipping container still bugs me; it went somewhere and someone definitely knows something!

A friend of mine who sold her home in Sydney to go on a trip around Australia found it was cheaper to hire a container & removalist from regional NSW and store her furniture in Tamworth for 12 months.
I know SL contacted every removalist within cooee of Southport but maybe "someone" recommended a regional company because it was cheaper (and easier for him to access later).
This is one aspect of the case where someone, somewhere knows where that container went. They may not even know they were involved in something illegal. Perhaps they have come forward, I hope so!

 

[mishy66]

Sorry @mishy66, I probably misunderstood when you said he might use the community to entice victims. I took that as meaning he was a member.

No not a member at all.......BUT he would know all about it.

I meant he using the Bruderhof as a means to entice lonely/isolated/vulnerable women to a place depicting '"safe, family orientated, nurturing, community minded, tight knit people" with a guarantee of a job or as a volunteer or for some a family they never had. ( NOT inferring this is MB by any means !)

What would he be able to do with these women's house deeds etc etc he is stealing? He could possibly sell the goods and jewels for sure.
But a house, under their name, signed over to him? with him and her on a pension? and the womens family members thinking it odd someone is now selling their missing family members house that was signed over to someone they only just met??

BUT if he is 'signing' them over to an organisation as a donation...then that is another thing all together, with nothing linked to him or her....

""People wanting to join Bruderhof must spend time with the group, live as a novitiate for up to a year, be baptised and then make final vows of commitment. All property and possessions are handed over to the community."""

They not only fund their own communities BUT also own a lot of land, travel, businesses ,that brings with it wealth.

There is a family connection to this Inverall community as well, that assisted many members at one time.

So so much @BonnieB !

 

[centred]

No not a member at all.......BUT he would know all about it.

I meant he using the Bruderhof as a means to entice lonely/isolated/vulnerable women to a place depicting '"safe, family orientated, nurturing, community minded, tight knit people" with a guarantee of a job or as a volunteer or for some a family they never had. ( NOT inferring this is MB by any means !)

What would he be able to do with these women's house deeds etc etc he is stealing? He could possibly sell the goods and jewels for sure.
But a house, under their name, signed over to him? with him and her on a pension? and the womens family members thinking it odd someone is now selling their missing family members house that was signed over to someone they only just met??

BUT if he is 'signing' them over to an organisation as a donation...then that is another thing all together, with nothing linked to him or her....

""People wanting to join Bruderhof must spend time with the group, live as a novitiate for up to a year, be baptised and then make final vows of commitment. All property and possessions are handed over to the community."""

They not only fund their own communities BUT also own a lot of land, travel, businesses ,that brings with it wealth.

There is a family connection to this Inverall community as well, that assisted many members at one time.

So so much @BonnieB !

So someone has found a connection to this community at Elsmore from Inverell of a family connection to RB ?

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Just been going over JO time with him and reading back over the post by @Lord Peter Flimsy who knows the area well ( I don't so am only guided by maps etc )

But reading his post here:
Australia - Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #10

Beech Grove Bruderhof settlement Founded in 1995 in Nonington, Kent
Beech Grove

Located in the Kentish North Downs, an area of gently rolling chalk hills and valleys, farmland, meadows, and woodlands, in the village of Nonington, halfway between the historic town of Canterbury and the white cliffs of Dover and are just sixteen kilometers from both the North Sea and the English Channel.

Beech Grove is known historically as the St. Albans Court Manor. Recorded residence on this site goes back over one thousand years. The property includes a Grade I listed Victorian manor and a medieval thatched cottage.

I can't get it out of my mind that the main focus is schooling - (schools seem to be another common denominator in RB dealings with people), giving up all possessions, Bruderhof members do not hold private property, but rather share everything. Members work inside the Bruderhof, and nobody receives a salary or has a bank account.

Founded in 1920, Plough is an independent publisher affiliated with the Bruderhof, an international Christian community movement.
About Us
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4188 Gwydir Highway
Elsmore, NSW 2360

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Has this religious community been looked into before in regards to RB and MB?

I don't believe in any 'coincidences' when it comes to him....

I might be imagining it but I have looked at the Bruderhof’s before. It might have been a Sussex sleuth who brought them to my attention. Robertsbridge where they are based in East Sussex is just a 12 minute drive to Burwash.

It was such a lovely day yesterday I went to visit Rudyard Kipling’s home at Bateman’s in Burwash. What a gorgeous place to have lived and go for a long walk. I notice in the National Trust leaflet I was given that in Kipling’s day the village boasted 7 pubs in the early 1900s (the figure quoted by Aka at the inquest) but no longer.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

I

I can't remember; in the podcast, who initially suggested that MB may have joined a cult?

think it came through as a tip but don’t quote me on that I’d have to go back a listen that episode was a long time ago.

 

[mishy66]

I might be imagining it but I have looked at the Bruderhof’s before. It might have been a Sussex sleuth who brought them to my attention. Robertsbridge where they are based in East Sussex is just a 12 minute drive to Burwash.

It was such a lovely day yesterday I went to visit Rudyard Kipling’s home at Bateman’s in Burwash. What a gorgeous place to have lived and go for a long walk. I notice in the National Trust leaflet I was given that in Kipling’s day the village boasted 7 pubs in the early 1900s (the figure quoted by Aka at the inquest) but no longer.

Thanks @Lord Peter Flimsy .
That walk sounds lovely!

 

[BonnieB]

I

think it came through as a tip but don’t quote me on that I’d have to go back a listen that episode was a long time ago.

I had a re-listen of the "Byron" episode. It sounded like a "filler" by the 7 producers and they said they were not suggesting there was any evidence that Marion had joined a cult.