Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #13

[mishy66]

I’m confused about the car - aside from The different stories.

did they keep their old car? Magna purchased and signed over to his wife.. but his wife was driving the other car?

so at this time did they have 1 or 2 cars?

and why the heck are their stories completely different?

did I imagine DdH saying the car needed a lot of work so they got rid of it?

I ask the same baffling question.
And no you did not imagine that, she did say it needed a new gearbox or some such thing and they got rid of it.
Something weird going on here

 

[mishy66]

Agree 100%. I think it's been a duo act all along.

Yep matching up nicely with my thoughts also.
Not the first time DdeH lied on the stand

 

[Whonose]

It makes me think something suss about their ‘other’ car not the Magna

I agree, something not adding up

 

[poppypopcorn]

Thank you all for the first day summary which all happened while I was sleeping! I won't believe he has Parkinson's without seeing a formal diagnosis from an independent medical professional. Preferably two.

It must be so hard for Sally to sit there and say nothing while he paints a picture of her mother as a "loose woman" who was sleeping with anyone who'd have her. He is so misogynistic that he actually thinks that makes him look better when in fact it does the opposite. It's clear he does not respect women. They are there for him to use and exploit. I also think that's why his wife wasn't in on it. Yes she turned a blind eye, didn't ask questions and knew he was fiddling his pension and probably doing something very dodgy. If anyone UK based watched the drama about the man who faked his own death with the canoe and turned up in Panama, the dynamic seems similar. He's basically all she's ever known, and there's a lot of coercive control going on.

 

[Estelle]

Evidence that DdH lied in her testimony!

I suspect that their son filled the police in about the Magda.

 

[Podcast Tragic]

Are lots of very highly suspicious coincidences enough to somehow get answers??If he keeps denying/forgetting any relevant information what can be done? What is the legal follow through likely to be? I need a wine (bottle) to get me over todays testimony.

 

[MrsWattle]

OK so one new bit of info volunteered by AKA today (equestrian interest at Palavas les Flots) is of interest in following up as Tamborine also was a huge equestrian, stables, ranch area.

EDIT: I am searching in French...

Did he say something about going to France with Jean-Pierre to learn how to build arena's? Horse arena's for training dressage maybe. ?
Byron Bay Equestrian Centre would be an example.

 

[gymtonic]

Did he say something about going to France with Jean-Pierre to learn how to build arena's? Horse arena's for training dressage maybe. ?
Byron Bay Equestrian Centre would be an example.

My notes say he visited his cousin JPC in Passy to get money, and then visited Palavas les Flots (near Montpelier) South of France (Carmargue area) with his friend Alphonse Kaprielian (who died 20/10/2011) to look at how they were training/ breeding horses for gauchos.

 

[BonnieB]

It makes me think something suss about their ‘other’ car not the Magna

Do you mean the unregistered Toyota Corona? You remember don't you? The one he testified they drove...a "little Toyota".
The one at the bottom of screen with no details except that the rego ran out on 25/9/98! Edit date

 

[gymtonic]

I’m confused about the car - aside from The different stories.

did they keep their old car? Magna purchased and signed over to his wife.. but his wife was driving the other car?

so at this time did they have 1 or 2 cars?

and why the heck are their stories completely different?

did I imagine DdH saying the car needed a lot of work so they got rid of it?

According to that sheet that was shown it only indicated cars registered to AKA and it looked like he didn't own a car between March 1995 and buying the Mitsubishi Magna in 1997, but all that suggests to me is that the cars were signed over or registered in other family members' names?
I don't know what the unregistered vehicle permit for Toyota Corona active until Sept 1998 was all about! Unregistered vehicle permits (UVP)

 

[mishy66]

He really left a few things slip today that is for sure.
He didnt want a drama being a 'respectable honorable *cough*' married man with kids so wouldn't give Marion his phone number but gave her his address to come over with the pilot friend in Marions small car to pick up the 3 or 4 tea chests he had kindly stored for her after only catching up with her 4 times

 

[BonnieB]

According to that sheet that was shown it only indicated cars registered to AKA and it looked like he didn't own a car between March 1995 and buying the Mitsubishi Magna in 1997, but all that suggests to me is that the cars were signed over or registered in other family members' names?
I don't know what the unregistered vehicle permit for Toyota Corona active until Sept 1998 was all about!

I think you'll find that Toyota was the car they owned prior to buying the Mitsubishi but I could be wrong.

 

[mishy66]

According to that sheet that was shown it only indicated cars registered to AKA and it looked like he didn't own a car between March 1995 and buying the Mitsubishi Magna in 1997, but all that suggests to me is that the cars were signed over or registered in other family members' names?

Yes but THAT is the fascinating thing about it.
Dianne lied under oath that they bought that car for MdeH to use, even though M was only 16 at the time. and sold that car on 30 Nov 1997 due to mechanical issues, having had it for only 3 months.

There is no doubt the car was transferred over to family but why would it be that DdeH says, under oath, they only had it for 3 months.

This isnt the first time she had told significant lies and IMO it isnt because she is confused, dimwitted or not involved.
Why not say in the first place they had the car for all that time? Strange thing to lie about if there is nothing to hide.

 

[gymtonic]

Yes but THAT is the fascinating thing about it.
Dianne lied under oath that they bought that car for MdeH to use, even though M was only 16 at the time. and sold that car on 30 Nov 1997 due to mechanical issues, having had it for only 3 months.

There is no doubt the car was transferred over to family but why would it be that DdeH says, under oath, they pnly had it for 3 months.

This isnt the first time she had told significant lies and IMO it isnt because she is confused, dimwitted or not involved.
Why not say in the first place they had the car for all that time? Strange thing to lie about if there is nothing to hide.

Well, yes exactly...strange thing to lie about if it can be proven incorrect. IMO and judging by the way she answered other questions, it came across as this was what she was told to say or reminded about? I don't have any evidence one way or another about her part but on balance to me she comes across as someone under years of coercive control.

 

[gymtonic]

I think you'll find that Toyota was the car they owned prior to buying the Mitsubishi but I could be wrong.

I edited my previous post with this link which indicates the reasons why a vehicle can have an unregistered permit Unregistered vehicle permits (UVP)

 

[BonnieB]

Yes but THAT is the fascinating thing about it.
Dianne lied under oath that they bought that car for MdeH to use, even though M was only 16 at the time. and sold that car on 30 Nov 1997 due to mechanical issues, having had it for only 3 months.

There is no doubt the car was transferred over to family but why would it be that DdeH says, under oath, they pnly had it for 3 months.

This isnt the first time she had told significant lies and IMO it isnt because she is confused, dimwitted or not involved.
Why not say in the first place they had the car for all that time? Strange thing to lie about if there is nothing to hide.

If that Toyota's rego expired in Sept 98, it means that it was registered in September 1997. About the time Marion disappeared! (Why would he register a car, then keep it 'somewhere' else? In a storage garage perhaps? Why?????? Mr. Bloooom?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

He seemed quite in a panic to say that "he only liked Flemish painters"

 

[gymtonic]

If that Toyota's rego expired in Sept 98, it means that it was registered in September 1997. About the time Marion disappeared! (Why would he register a car, then keep it 'somewhere' else? In a storage garage perhaps? Why?????? Mr. Bloooom?

The sheet indicated that it had an unregistered vehicle permit expiring sept 1998, but not that it was registered. it was not listed with a registration plate number.

 

[BonnieB]

I edited my previous post with this link which indicates the reasons why a vehicle can have an unregistered permit Unregistered vehicle permits (UVP)

Perhaps, he needed to drive said unregistered vehicle from wherever it was stored to a wrecking yard JMO

 

[BonnieB]

The sheet indicated that it had an unregistered vehicle permit expiring sept 1998, but not that it was registered. it was not listed with a registration plate number.

It actually says "registration expiry date"