Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #14

[Le_Charlatan]

I'm new on this page. Is this another can of worms unearthed related to RB dodgy business venture linked to a Po Box address located in the Byron Bay area.!!! What a sheer coincidence, a well known businesswoman in Byron Bay using the same Po Box details was scammed in the past.
Trade Mark 1883104 | IP Australia | Trade Mark Search
Check line No:29 there is even a Mobile No.
https://www.locatefamily.com/Street-Lists/Australia/index-3077.html

 

[BonnieB]

I'm new on this page. Is this another can of worms unearthed related to RB dodgy business venture linked to a Po Box address located in the Byron Bay area.!!! What a sheer coincidence, a well known businesswoman in Byron Bay using the same Po Box details was scammed in the past.
Trade Mark 1883104 | IP Australia | Trade Mark Search
Check line No:29 there is even a Mobile No.
https://www.locatefamily.com/Street-Lists/Australia/index-3077.html

This has been checked. RB and the businesswoman mentioned held the same PO box at different times. Just another coincidence it seems.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

If TLV had refined their approach of the Real FR they may have been able to ask him if these were his :-/ IMO.

I agree I don't see the benefit unless he is actually operating as FR in Europe, bank accounts and all.

Is it possible he can apply for name changes in Belgium just as he has in Aus and have an EU passport in FR and other names ?

It is possible to apply and change name in Belgium but it doesn’t sound as though it’s as easy as it has been here for him.

Quote:
A change of family name is not a right, but a favour,” commented a spokesperson for the ministry. The request has to be based on “serious reasons” – one of the main researches done by the ministry is to consult the person’s criminal record, if any, to ensure the change is not to avoid the legal authorities. Legally, each name change approved by the ministry is the subject of a Royal order, published in the government’s official journal, the Belgian Monitor.

The Belgian Monitor is the official publication of the Belgian state in which laws, royal decrees, decrees, ordinances, the establishment of many associations, etc. are published. The publication is provided by the Federal Department of Justice. Since June 3, 1997, the Belgian Monitor is available online.

So…if I understand the Belgian Monitor correctly if he has changed his name it has to have been published in that. Now we know the names have changed a few times on Renov Pubs.. and I’m wondering if changes to businesses also have to be published?

The link to Belgian monitor is below.. my French is non existent but if any sleuths are good with French and I know some of you are this may be worth looking at.. perhaps searching around the dates renov names were changed?

Moniteur Belge - Belgisch Staatsblad

 

[BonnieB]

IMO, his name only changed in Belgium once, perhaps twice. His birth name was probably either Coppenolle or perhaps his mother's maiden name, which is unknown.
His name changed from Coppenolle to Wouters around 1950 but whether it was a legal change is also unknown.
Every legal name change from that point forward took place in Australia but was used overseas.

RB has used Australia as a refuge from European authorities, a permanent source of regular income, a base for his scams and illegal operations and source of legal name changes and PO Box addresses for his illegal activities.
IMO, he sought and took advantage of every Australian "loophole" available to him at various times.
He is a parasite!
IMO

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

IMO, his name only changed in Belgium once, perhaps twice. His birth name was probably either Coppenolle or perhaps his mother's maiden name, which is unknown.
His name changed from Coppenolle to Wouters around 1950 but whether it was a legal change is also unknown.
Every legal name change from that point forward took place in Australia but was used overseas.

RB has used Australia as a refuge from European authorities, a permanent source of regular income, a base for his scams and illegal operations and source of legal name changes and PO Box addresses for his illegal activities.
IMO, he sought and took advantage of every Australian "loophole" available to him at various times.
He is a parasite!
IMO

I think he hasn’t changed his name there which is why he didn’t fly directly to Belgium.

 

[mishy66]

I'm new on this page. Is this another can of worms unearthed related to RB dodgy business venture linked to a Po Box address located in the Byron Bay area.!!! What a sheer coincidence, a well known businesswoman in Byron Bay using the same Po Box details was scammed in the past.
Trade Mark 1883104 | IP Australia | Trade Mark Search
Check line No:29 there is even a Mobile No.
https://www.locatefamily.com/Street-Lists/Australia/index-3077.html

Already been checked out.

And it seems the businessmwoman was scammed herself

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/lismore/revealed-byron-scheme-that-wrecked-lives-worldwide/news-story/e63d795c8a7729b4292557856230fd0c

 

[mishy66]

IMO, his name only changed in Belgium once, perhaps twice. His birth name was probably either Coppenolle or perhaps his mother's maiden name, which is unknown.
His name changed from Coppenolle to Wouters around 1950 but whether it was a legal change is also unknown.
Every legal name change from that point forward took place in Australia but was used overseas.

RB has used Australia as a refuge from European authorities, a permanent source of regular income, a base for his scams and illegal operations and source of legal name changes and PO Box addresses for his illegal activities.
IMO, he sought and took advantage of every Australian "loophole" available to him at various times.
He is a parasite!
IMO

 

[mishy66]

I think he hasn’t changed his name there which is why he didn’t fly directly to Belgium.

Agree. He is a Coppenolle in Belgium, his real name.

IMO

 

[Nnbee]

I wouldn’t be surprised if most of his scams were done in Europe. Remember during the inquest he said something along the lines of wishing he never came to Australia. I think that was a slip. I think he had lots going on in Europe. I also think he will blame his wife DdH for making him come to Aus and it’s her fault he got caught. He’d never take the blame himself. I get the feeling at home he’d be telling her this is all her doing.

 

[BonnieB]

IMO coming to Australia in 1969 was no accident; it was well researched. In 1969, Australia was seen by some Europeans as somewhat of a backwater, a place where you could almost disappear, where the authorities were less diligent and laid back. RB already knew how to work the system here and within days of arrival on a holiday visa, he applied for residency citing his migrant "wife", Ilona.
Like all con-men, RB did his research; he planned ahead, trying to anticipate his victims actions and have escape plans ready to go. I believe that living in Australia formed a large part of his escape plans for frauds committed in Europe, many of which are yet to be discovered as @Nnbee said.
His biggest mistake was Marion. Although his scam succeeded and he covered his tracks well, he could not have anticipated or planned for the unrelenting determination of a daughter to find her mother.
IMO, we are yet to see the full extent of the damage caused by this greedy, immoral sociopath.

 

[KiwiNZ]

Agree. He is a Coppenolle in Belgium, his real name.

IMO

if he is receiving a pension from Belgium in the name Coppenolle, and does that mean he would have a bank account in Aus in that name as well

 

[BonnieB]

if he is receiving a pension from Belgium in the name Coppenolle, and does that mean he would have a bank account in Aus in that name as well

IMO, he probably has accounts in multiple banks in multiple names; I'd be very surprised if he doesn't. Because his Belgian pension is linked to his Australian pension, it is probably paid into the same Commonwealth account. You know, the one and only account he testified that he's only ever held. If you believe that, you'll believe every bit of his testimony

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Would the name de Hedervary and variants have their origins in Hungary?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I wouldn’t be surprised if most of his scams were done in Europe. Remember during the inquest he said something along the lines of wishing he never came to Australia. I think that was a slip. I think he had lots going on in Europe. I also think he will blame his wife DdH for making him come to Aus and it’s her fault he got caught. He’d never take the blame himself. I get the feeling at home he’d be telling her this is all her doing.

I wonder if he could possibly have even had social welfare benefit claims in various European countries?

For example, here in the UK, back in the old days, various disabilities were awarded 'indefinite benefits', by which they were considered life long health struggles and no action or proof was required to sustain the claim. Occasionally checking letters were sent out to see if claimants were still at the same address or suchlike. This all changed about 10 years ago when there was an overhaul of the benefits system and everyone had to re-apply for their benefits which were no longer awarded on a 'forever' basis.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

IMO, he probably does have 'some' money squirreled away but I don't believe he's mega rich. He certainly invested some of the spoils in two of his children while ignoring four (or maybe more) of the others.
I agree with you that he's not a "big time" swindler; more of an opportunist con-man and fraudster. Most of his crimes that have come to light are in the thousands of dollars, not millions. Of course, he's biggest swindle was the Australian Government. There is no way he and his "carer" wife have been entitled to disability pensions for almost 20 years, nor all the associated benefits. After watching his dithery old man act at the inquest, I can imagine how he fooled doctors into diagnosing him with PTSD.
But let's not forget that his biggest crime is the likely death of Marion Barter, a crime for which, I hope he pays the ultimate price.

He's too old to pay an ultimate price for anything really. If he gets well and truly investigated and held bang to rights for his crimes, he'll be glad of a prison cell away from aggrieved friends and family who would be shocked and wanting answers.

IMO The biggest punishment he could be served at his age is to take all his financial assets (I'm sure he will have shed all his personal finances in this inquiry period) and leave him exactly where he is - answering to the community he lives in.

 

[BonnieB]

Would the name de Hedervary and variants have their origins in Hungary?

I think I read that the name originated from a German knight who was granted a domain in western Hungary way, way back. I suspect Hedervary was his mother's surname (or heritage) and Coppenolle his father's. He has kept the Coppenolle name 'clean' as far as I can find and it appears that these two names seem to have the most meaning for him.

 

[BonnieB]

I wonder if he could possibly have even had social welfare benefit claims in various European countries?

For example, here in the UK, back in the old days, various disabilities were awarded 'indefinite benefits', by which they were considered life long health struggles and no action or proof was required to sustain the claim. Occasionally checking letters were sent out to see if claimants were still at the same address or suchlike. This all changed about 10 years ago when there was an overhaul of the benefits system and everyone had to re-apply for their benefits which were no longer awarded on a 'forever' basis.

Quite possible! He certainly rorted the Australian system.

 

[Liselle]

With regard to RB having some money (and valuables) squirreled away and whatever the amount; in whichever bank accounts, safety deposit boxes or home safes; deposited in any of his many aliases; there are possibly more than 4 children to whom he is their birth father, who would be entitled to a share of his Estate.

 

[BonnieB]

With regard to RB having some money (and valuables) squirreled away and whatever the amount; in whichever bank accounts, safety deposit boxes or home safes; deposited in any of his many aliases; there are possibly more than 4 children to whom he is their birth father, who would be entitled to a share of his Estate.

I agree, IF that money was legally obtained. If it was illegally obtained, it would be classed as "proceeds of crime" and dealt with as such. When all is said and done, I seriously doubt there will be anything of value to distribute.
Personally, if I was related to this individual, the last thing I would want would be any of his ill gotten gains. I would seek to be as far distanced from him as possible.

 

[Deleted member 83851]

Yes Liselle, and that is a sticking point for me; are they really entitled to those funds/goods? If the estate is made up of stolen money or swindled goods, none of it is secure from future legal action? Maybe it could be considered tainted wealth?