Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #15

[caitlincurious]

agree.

This witness was a huge letdown to the case. She had no idea what she was talking about! Her interest in the reward far outweighed the need to help in a missing person case IMO. She cant recall significant details about Marion and her time at the bank but remembers a flower behind an ear. I mean, seriously! After 25 years someone can remember a flower behind an ear WTF.

I agree with the theory put here that this has only assisted RB in that Marion was 'seen" here in Aust after "she flew back". But this 'new witness' as pointed out by MBFB, is not new at all.

The REALLY UNFORTUNATE thing about this whole case now is the fact that J pointedly spelt out quite openly on the MBFB that WS was doing an injustice to the case, yet MANY leads came from this thread and she wanted it shut down.

She pretty much got her wish. No one posts or rehashes theroies since that pearler.
The case is still screaming for witnesses to come foward but no one seems to be interested in doing so .....why is that ?

It is so obvious to many that J herself has been the catalyst for closure here as she doesn't seem to remember that it was the TLV team themselves and her, that led the pack...........from her post on the FB page ...."""""everyone has a right to live their lives as they normally would without strangers invading their inboxes & social media or being "researched" & theorized about on public forums or threads """" ahem, hello FR in Luxembourg

Reminding WS is be quiet no?



It takes a village, not one person to solve anything.

I couldn’t agree more. Unfortunately, this is no longer the grassroots investigation that it was. One consequence of this is that it will become more and more difficult to open our minds to alternative theories about Marion - because a narrative is being created. A movie is being made. J herself was a web sleuth, so just weirdly hypocritical for her to say that.

I’m also super deflated after J, running the Facebook, hyped us up for the inquest only for us to find it was a bank manager with a patchy memory

 

[mishy66]

I couldn’t agree more. Unfortunately, this is no longer the grassroots investigation that it was. One consequence of this is that it will become more and more difficult to open our minds to alternative theories about Marion - because a narrative is being created. A movie is being made. J herself was a web sleuth, so just weirdly hypocritical for her to say that.

I’m also super deflated after J, running the Facebook, hyped us up for the inquest only for us to find it was a bank manager with a patchy memory

Exactly.

If you take away the emotion and harrowing fact that a woman who wanted so much to be loved and be in love, was taken from her family, and look at the big picture that has now reared its ugly head, you see a band leader beating to the sound of her own drum, an incredibe financial gain in the light of a movie that will as you say, create its own narrative and going forward in other missing persons cases, threads such as this not gaining traction because facts found and leads finding snippets of fact, are not being recognised for what they are.

A lot of the FB posts have been deleted by J, especially after that clever WS found the white house. After that all leads found here where whitewashed on the FB by J and her attempt to shut down this thread has pretty much succeeded.
Her additonal post yesterday reminding WS to shut up -

It takes a village. We are here for Marion. We have no other agenda.

 

[Carovb5]

3 days ago? I am not sure, what can you see?



This has always been FdH and Blums aliases on here - he only removed Willy Coppenolle prior to the inquest.

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If you google Renov Pubs at this moment, you’ll get ‘Blum Ric’ as name for the business on Infobel, where it was previous just ‘Renov Pubs’, wasn’t it. I think that might be the ‘7the of september’ change.

Financial information on RENOV PUBS company based in Brussels, BE

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[Oodlesofnoodles]

I couldn’t agree more. Unfortunately, this is no longer the grassroots investigation that it was. One consequence of this is that it will become more and more difficult to open our minds to alternative theories about Marion - because a narrative is being created. A movie is being made. J herself was a web sleuth, so just weirdly hypocritical for her to say that.

I’m also super deflated after J, running the Facebook, hyped us up for the inquest only for us to find it was a bank manager with a patchy memory

A movie is being made? Is it going to be marion going missing then everything after or just everything after?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Absolutely not plausible, nor is it what I said. I was suggesting that the bank customer the witness remembers was *not* Marion, not that it was Marion after a cult makeover.

Ah OK I understand

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Even though Blum claims he's a poor pensioner, I don't doubt that he has access to money and able to hire an investigator, or perhaps his children are supporting him and paying for this. Surely it would be highly illegal for an investigator to entice this woman to come forward? I feel they are trying to plant the seed of reasonable doubt... just like that dodgy guy was doing in the Lyn Dawson (Teacher's Pet) case.

My suspicion has always been that RB had an 'insider' at the bank in order to withdraw the funds every day. So, I think they might have revealed themselves?

We have moved one step forward albeit in a way that is not on the surface.

 

[caitlincurious]

A movie is being made? Is it going to be marion going missing then everything after or just everything after?

It’s a documentary, I think, of the podcast and of Sally’s search.

 

[Littleguy7]

After 24 hours of feeling frustrated and outraged (on behalf of Sally) for yesterday's events I think what can be taken from it is that the Coroner was shown first hand the disinterest and lack of care that would have been demonstrated by the bank when the withdrawal transaction/s were done, and the defensive/no responsibility response police would have received when making their enquiries with the bank.

I could completely picture a conversation between police and bank manager along the lines of "was it definitely her, her family have concerns she's missing", "of course it was, she probably doesn't want to see them" without any thought of what the tsunami of such words could create

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I think a lot of employees back then, when it was pretty easy to get a job, just couldn't be bothered "going to any trouble".
Not just in banks, but in a lot of professions.

Anyone wanting to do anything more than just buy something they just didn't want to know.
If it was anything that made work for them, they wouldn't want to do it and often would take no action.
It seemed to me to be them just not caring in the slightest. It was all too much trouble.

In my experience.

I'm not thinking about the bank employee here, but about a lot of the "investigation" into Marion vanishing,

 

[KiwiNZ]

After 24 hours of feeling frustrated and outraged (on behalf of Sally) for yesterday's events I think what can be taken from it is that the Coroner was shown first hand the disinterest and lack of care that would have been demonstrated by the bank when the withdrawal transaction/s were done, and the defensive/no responsibility response police would have received when making their enquiries with the bank.

I could completely picture a conversation between police and bank manager along the lines of "was it definitely her, her family have concerns she's missing", "of course it was, she probably doesn't want to see them" without any thought of what the tsunami of such words could create

I suspect I am probably alone in my feelings but ...

She did say that requests by the police for transaction information was not uncommon - I assume it is pretty clinical from the branches end, send photocopies of the form etc.. answer some questions - and that the branch/ bank teller themselves never get any feedback of information about the suspected fraud or crime, the banks investigations teams at head office would deal with that if there was one and any further investigation required.

What I am trying to say is that it is probably just boring paperwork for them, so they are not that interested even at the time they are doing it.

IF all she said was true and it was Marion withdrawing her money - I don't see lack of care there sorry - she served a customer who wanted to withdraw their money. would any of us like to be given the 3rd degree every time we withdrew money from our own account

My view is probably a bit slanted because I do believe Marion withdrew the money from her account and not someone else

PS - I did think she was as cold as ice lol

 

[KiwiNZ]

feeling a bit salty ... Missing Marion Barter Page, consistently wants to remind us not to be disrespectful, or anything that could put people off coming forward ... but its ok that they allow people to be disrespectful and character assassinate JH (even worse on the TLV facebook page)

Are we to read anything into this ?? if they don't like what was said it's ok to character assassinate someone? Are we to assume they think JH is lying ?

If anyone did have any doubts about coming forward, I think their facebook pages is enough to put anyone off, because if they don't like what you said or don't believe you, you will be publicly humiliated.

At the end of the day none of us know if she is telling the truth or not, the fact the police did not give her a photo in her previous interview has me giving her some leeway (FFS I wouldn't remember a name from 20+ years ago, a face possible, not a name)

 

[Oodlesofnoodles]

feeling a bit salty ... Missing Marion Barter Page, consistently wants to remind us not to be disrespectful, or anything that could put people off coming forward ... but its ok that they allow people to be disrespectful and character assassinate JH (even worse on the TLV facebook page)

Are we to read anything into this ?? if they don't like what was said it's ok to character assassinate someone? Are we to assume they think JH is lying ?

If anyone did have any doubts about coming forward, I think their facebook pages is enough to put anyone off, because if they don't like what you said or don't believe you, you will be publicly humiliated.

At the end of the day none of us know if she is telling the truth or not, the fact the police did not give her a photo in her previous interview has me giving her some leeway (FFS I wouldn't remember a name from 20+ years ago, a face possible, not a name)

I feel the same way. This the part where I feel like it's hard with the case. I didn't listen to every episode of the podcast (just went and looked). By the looks of it, I only really listened to conversations mostly. I'm assuming the 7 network owns the rights to the podcast and I guess maybe even the story?.

My immediate family watches the news or listens to it daily and I don't think they watch 7news. Where I don't watch the news because normally segments are uploaded onto Facebook and if something catches my eye I will read it or watch it. Which is how I found out about Marion. No one in my family had heard about it. None of my friends who listen to those types of podcasts had heard about her.

I personally think it would help any missing persons case to not just have it on one news station. Obiviously channel 7 has done a really good job helping getting Sally this far. It just would of been better if there was more out there meaning more on other channels, radio stations and social media sites.

I do think it will be hard for anyone to want to come forward again after reading those comments. I do also think majority of people have either come to their own conclusion and that's why they have commented the way they have, without realising it will probably stop any new person coming forward. Is the next court date on the 27th for her again or someone else?

 

[Belleandsebastian]

feeling a bit salty ... Missing Marion Barter Page, consistently wants to remind us not to be disrespectful, or anything that could put people off coming forward ... but its ok that they allow people to be disrespectful and character assassinate JH (even worse on the TLV facebook page)

Are we to read anything into this ?? if they don't like what was said it's ok to character assassinate someone? Are we to assume they think JH is lying ?

If anyone did have any doubts about coming forward, I think their facebook pages is enough to put anyone off, because if they don't like what you said or don't believe you, you will be publicly humiliated.

At the end of the day none of us know if she is telling the truth or not, the fact the police did not give her a photo in her previous interview has me giving her some leeway (FFS I wouldn't remember a name from 20+ years ago, a face possible, not a name)

Yes, I find some of the fb posts a bit unprofessional

 

[TootsieFootsie]

New witness describes meeting ‘airy-fairy’ Marion Barter before her mysterious disappearance

The former bank manager said her memory was triggered after seeing a billboard for a $250,000 reward in northern NSW.

7news.com.au

The inquest into the disappearance of Marion Barter has sensationally reopened to receive new evidence, with a witness describing possibly the last known sighting of the missing mother.

Former Byron Bay State Bank Manager Joan Hazlett told an inquest Monday that she now remembers coming into contact with a woman fitting the description of Marion Barter wearing a white hibiscus in her hair who told her she wanted to “find herself” in Bali.

Appearing at Lismore Magistrates Court in northern NSW, Hazlett said she met Barter because she had to carry out a suspicious transaction report after the 51 year-old former Gold Coast teacher reportedly made several withdrawals from her branch, exceeding the limit for withdrawals on her bank account.

 

[Estelle]

I just feel the witness today was trying to cover her own back and wasn't the least bit credible.

Yes. I agree that I got the impression that she was trying to cover her own back. I thought maybe she should have phoned the bank in Queensland where Marion held her account before she handed over that amount of money.

 

[baz-wj]

It’s not at all believable that police in 2020 didn’t show her a photo. They must have records of that visit?

.. and also that she can't recall the gender/s, which state they were from (with certainty), or if they mentioned it was a missing persons case. I mean how many times does a middle aged woman in the northern shires get visited – door knocked unannounced no less - by the police? These things would surely stick in your brain after such an unexpected encounter of high importance.

 

[Oodlesofnoodles]

.. and also that she can't recall the gender/s, which state they were from (with certainty), or if they mentioned it was a missing persons case. I mean how many times does a middle aged woman in the northern shires get visited – door knocked unannounced no less - by the police? These things would surely stick in your brain after such an unexpected encounter of high importance.

I suggest going onto the lady vanishes podcast and watching the full video in Byron. It raises more questions.

 

[VisitorDog]

What makes people think that J is referring to here? Did people from here contact family members? It seems as though that wouldn’t be a good thing to do, either ethically or now that an inquest is active - so surprised if people here would do that? Perhaps the reference wasn’t intended for here?

 

[Martinie]

What makes people think that J is referring to here? Did people from here contact family members? It seems as though that wouldn’t be a good thing to do, either ethically or now that an inquest is active - so surprised if people here would do that? Perhaps the reference wasn’t intended for here?

I thought the witness said that she was at a party and someone was talking about how she managed that bank at that time and after that is when she was getting messages? I might have missed something as I was listening while cleaning, but I'm sure that's what she said.

 

[KiwiNZ]

What makes people think that J is referring to here? Did people from here contact family members? It seems as though that wouldn’t be a good thing to do, either ethically or now that an inquest is active - so surprised if people here would do that? Perhaps the reference wasn’t intended for here?

Pretty sure it was TLV and their sleuths who contacted her, not sure why they need to remind the general public not to contact people - below from the TLV page