Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #7

[Estelle]

Wonder where DH would address letters to him overseas? You’d think an address would include “hospital” vs “correctional facility.”

NAA has passengers records from 1970. Why is no WW or Diane returning to AU in 1970?

I wondered where you got 1970 from? I referred to my notes and D said they met on the ship that year but that is incorrect.

Willy Wouters and Diane Walker arrived by ship to Australia in 1969. He disembarked in Perth.

1970-02-15 Willy Wouters departed Australia without a re-entry visa on UT2506 to Belgium, status Divorced (2)

More convictions in Belgium and France, for fraud, attempted fraud, breach of trust, impersonation. Various short prison sentences in France, the longest 4 years, most to be served concurrently.

 

[centred]

Any relation?

Van Coppenolle Adrien Emile

Aidrian ? Is that the name Cassenden mentioned ? I cannot recall at the moment

 

[MrsWattle]

On ancestry There's a few ship passenger lists to New York for a Willy Wouters. 1962 etc . Sorry I can't work out if it's him travelling by ship. I can't view the document fully.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

I feel empathy for her meeting him so young. It's unfair and inappropriate. A 19 year old is no match for an experienced con man, especially one that's up to 20 years older! She would have had little time to gain life experience and develop herself without his influence and coercion.

But my empathy ends at some point because she really seems deceptive. Something is up, even if she is only covering for him. I don't like whatever she's up to. Just IMO. I could be wrong.

If it were me, I'd like to think that once I learned about it all, I would be so mad at my partner that it would break the spell and I would spill my guts about everything. Unless of course, I had something to hide about my own activity.

I remember that GGB said he was always putting her down, belittling and manipulating. I think it's highly likely RB forced Dianne to cooperate in some of his schemes, just so she could never rat him out as she would get in trouble too. Another form of blackmail.

But I don't for a second believe they were married for over 50 years and she had no idea what was going on!

She definitely comes across as someone who does as she is told.. 100% I am with you there is no way in the past 50 years that you don’t at some stage find out something and I don’t mean affairs I think she’s known he’s played around for years… I think she is responding cautiously not forthcoming and when re-asked the same question perhaps rephrased differently I feel she is having to think too much before she replies. But some of that may just be nerves.
Ultimately though if she truly had no idea until police knocked on doors.. I don’t understand why she hasn’t thrown him to the curb. Like any normal person would do.
We are not talking about not paying a parking ticket.. his rap sheet is huge… and we I’m sure don’t know the half of it.
So it’s that which adds to me thinking she has definitely known ‘some’ of the things he’s done and turned a blind eye.
Personally if it was my mother I would have encouraged leaving him and made sure she was aware of all information on the body of evidence.

 

[centred]

We don't know that she actually lived with his family. This could be a story.
Police may never be able to verify if they have all since passed away.
Maybe she was in jail too? Or they lived in a stolen home. Who knows.

But they havent all passed away , I thought everyone saw the "cousins " on social media "

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It may not be so easy to just walk away from your situation, especially if you aren't working and are dependant on the other person.

And/or have lost your confidence that you can look after yourself.

And may be even more difficult as you get older.

 

[mishy66]

I actually think that his parents are Désiré Jean Pierre Joseph David and Maria ( Coppenolle)
All 3 children born to them. Willy, Freddy and Désiré Jnr

At Désiré Jean passing 1943, she remarried (maybe) Andre Wouters who is actually the step father to all children.

And when RB was applying for Residence status it was typed by the Immigration as Abel ( possibly RB using a more English loose translation to fit his current country).

 

[MrsWattle]

Maybe our Belgian members can tell us what this uniform is? Was it common for Belgians to join military back then , like it's compulsory in Switzerland these days. This profile photo of Willy wonkers

 

[KiwiNZ]

She definitely comes across as someone who does as she is told.. 100% I am with you there is no way in the past 50 years that you don’t at some stage find out something and I don’t mean affairs I think she’s known he’s played around for years… I think she is responding cautiously not forthcoming and when re-asked the same question perhaps rephrased differently I feel she is having to think too much before she replies. But some of that may just be nerves.
Ultimately though if she truly had no idea until police knocked on doors.. I don’t understand why she hasn’t thrown him to the curb. Like any normal person would do.
We are not talking about not paying a parking ticket.. his rap sheet is huge… and we I’m sure don’t know the half of it.
So it’s that which adds to me thinking she has definitely known ‘some’ of the things he’s done and turned a blind eye.
Personally if it was my mother I would have encouraged leaving him and made sure she was aware of all information on the body of evidence.

Their children are well educated and switched on - if my mother was clearly been taken advantage of I would have done something - but they may also be estranged from their children, some people cant be helped and you end up having to remove yourself.

 

[MrsWattle]

Dianne mentioned that her daughter Maite was tuning in to social media.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

It may not be so easy to just walk away from your situation, especially if you aren't working and are dependant on the other person.

And/or have lost your confidence that you can look after yourself.

And may be even more difficult as you get older.

Very true.

 

[bettyboop]

Maybe our Belgian members can tell us what this uniform is? Was it common for Belgians to join military back then , like it's compulsory in Switzerland these days. This profile photo of Willy wonkers

You just keep getting better! Widdle Willy Wouters and now Willy Wonkers!
Love it!

 

[mishy66]

She said she called him Rick from the time she met him and wasn't surprised or fazed or lied about that IMO that was believable considering she also didn't bat an eyelid when he changed his name back to his birth name in 1976 before they married > It seemed obvious to me he had told her that from the beginning and his name was really Rick DH and that WW was his adopted name . So call me Rick ! So she did and still does .

When they went to visit and stay and work with his family ,they are cousins aunt and her husband.?

What did they call him ? Did they call him Rick because they know he is really Rick ... and they were the family business Worters named after the man Maria married and he was also adopted by his Aunt Worters in also given his name at the time adopted .

So if he is indeed a nephew of Maria then obviously his mother or father is a sibling of Maria ....

Was the name DeHedervary a name or a name connected to any of Marias siblings ... I haven't been able to find an obvious connection as yet so maybe someone else has more luck ......

I dont think he is adopted at all.
I think Andre ( Abel) Wouters was his stepfather.

 

[centred]

I actually think that his parents are Désiré Jean Pierre Joseph David and Maria ( Coppenolle)
All 3 children born to them. Willy, Freddy and Désiré Jnr

At Désiré Jean passing 1943, she remarried (maybe) Andre Wouters who is actually the step father to all children.

And when RB was applying for Residence status it was typed by the Immigration as Abel ( possibly RB using a more English loose translation to fit his current country).

I was convinced of this until she said under oath that Freddy and Desire were his cousins
and she was there and I am guessing it is an easy one to find out from Freddy or Desiree themselves

PS

It is possible one of them is no longer living according to an earlier post

 

[mishy66]

I was convinced of this until she said under oath that Freddy and Desire were his cousins
and she was there and I am guessing it is an easy one to find out from Freddy or Desiree themselves

I do not believe it at all.

I personally feel that Diane was a victim herself in RB lifestyle and possibly the one woman RB did love, hence he stayed with her most of his life, while still leading his quadruple life. She no doubt saw / heard / was confused about many things in their marriage but while he produced the finances and set the family up, she was happy to play a subservant role, as he provided many OS trips and living in different countries during that time.

He is a MASTER at manipulation and disguise - look at what he has been capable of thus far - even fooling the Immigration and FEDS - so she would have been easy to convince any tale he wove to her re family and those family members could have also been rewarded or part of....

 

[centred]

Their children are well educated and switched on - if my mother was clearly been taken advantage of I would have done something - but they may also be estranged from their children, some people cant be helped and you end up having to remove yourself.

I was thinking about this and i think in their shoes and knowing their mother well they
may have advised her (legals also may have advised ) to go in blind to his stories so she could only witness on what she knows and not be influenced by any of his deceptive answers
and incriminate herself with any bias or fear of retribution from him or the courts IMO

 

[mishy66]

Family Tree



Maria Coppenolle

Born 17 October 1913 - Ramegnies-Chin, Hainaut (B)

Deceased 12 February 1990 - Tournai, Hainaut (B), aged 76 years old

Piqueuse



Parents

Charles Louis Coppenolle 1879-1949

Julie Foulon 1884-1954



Spouses and children

With Désiré Jean Pierre Joseph David 1905-1943 with

M Willy David

M Freddy David

M Désiré David





With André Wouters







Siblings

M "Emile" Charles Coppenolle 1903-1972

M Julien Adolphe Coppenolle 1906-1945

F Emilienne Coppenolle 1908-

M Albert Coppenolle 1910-1991

F Madeleine Coppenolle 1912-1912

M Robert Coppenolle 1916-/2012

F Catherine Coppenolle 1920-

M Jean Coppenolle 1921

F Geneviève Coppenolle

F Virginie Coppenolle

F Yvonne Coppenolle

F Simone Coppenolle

 

[centred]

I do not believe it at all.

I personally feel that Diane was a victim herself in RB lifestyle and possibly the one woman RB did love, hence he stayed with her most of his life, while still leading his quadruple life. She no doubt saw / heard / was confused about many things in their marriage but while he produced the finances and set the family up, she was happy to play a subservant role, as he provided many OS trips and living in different countries during that time.

He is a MASTER at manipulation and disguise - look at what he has been capable of thus far - even fooling the Immigration and FEDS - so she would have been easy to convince any tale he wove to her re family and those family members could have also been rewarded or part of....

I agree with your opinion on his character and record of behavior , however i can not see any reason to have her believe they were cousins when and if they were actually brothers .. sorry i cannot find any sense or reasoning in this as a lie when she is in their home and it would be easier for them to not have to cover up his story when it fact it most likely is the case .

Unless you can provide me with a good reason for him to lie about being cousins or brothers ?

 

[Podcast Tragic]

It may not be so easy to just walk away from your situation, especially if you aren't working and are dependant on the other person.

And/or have lost your confidence that you can look after yourself.

And may be even more difficult as you get older.

I agree that she may have just been thankful for a roof over her and her childrens head. She didn't ask questions where the money was coming from because she didn't want to know. I get the impression from her testimony that she actually knew very little about him. I could be wrong and she might be a great liar but I felt a bit sorry for her caught up in his web.

 

[centred]

Spouses and children

With Désiré Jean Pierre Joseph David 1905-1943 with

M Willy David

M Freddy David

M Désiré David

I have no issue with WW not being the father to her children , but perhaps it is possible Maria and Desire Jean Pierre Josepth David parented Willy David from birth as his real mother or father were no longer in the position to do so in 1939 .. we must remember records were not always reliable and we only have these because they were a notable lineage IMO