Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #7

[mishy66]

Maybe they were both stowaways, lol.

hahahahaha! That would not surprise me! Going on this crazy saga it is possible!

 

[JLZ]

Could this be about the $5 million euros discussed today?
Dated 2010.
Correspondence from Mrs Andree Flamme. Letter with concerns about Australian-born Belgian, Frederick de Hedervary who is wanted by Belgian police.
ArchivesSearch | Queensland State Archives | Queensland Government

Why is FdeH being referred to as Australian-born?

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Yes me too! I cant see a Walker travelling with her parents which is what she implied at the inquest today....IMO

Did DDH know passenger lists were still available from that time??? (I certainly didn't) To cross reference her alibi / recollection of events???

Do we know Diane's full maiden name??? Could she be called by her middle name???
And her parents full names??

What age was she? If under 18 may not be listed?

 

[Belleandsebastian]

What age was she? If under 18 may not be listed?

I can find arrival cards for kids though. She was meant to be 19 at the time.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

What's the bet he chooses to keep his mask on.

Would he be allowed to do that.

 

[SLouTh]

Why is FdeH being referred to as Australian-born?

I also wondered that .....
Did he have Aus citizenship under that name at one time?? Maybe because of that perhaps??? An error??

 

[Deleted member 249471]

Just going to leave this here ICYMI:

Early Jan 1970 – WW and DW meet aboard the Chusan departing Southampton, UK.
15 Feb 1970 – After living in Aus for the past year, WW and IK depart Aus together, status divorced. They were married for 11 months and left for Belgium without a re-enty to Aus visa.
Early Mar 1970 – WW and DW arrive in Sydney on the Chusan after a 3 month journey on the seas.

How could WW meet DW on the Chusan between Jan and Mar 1970 when he was still in Australia with wife IK and immigration records show they left together by plane to Belgium on the 15 Feb 1970?

 

[KittensAugustus]

This whole case is going to make an excellent movie.

My reflections on today:
I don't believe DdH when she claims to have no knowledge of anything. I would believe it more if she had some knowledge of some situations but none at all seems impossible when you have lived with someone for as long as she has.

I wonder whether the mysterious Monique is/was his blonde European accomplice.

RBs fraudulent practices would have taken up a vast amount of time, especially without a job as a cover. However, unless he lives a wonderful overseas life, his life here does not seem to reflect wealth. In that regard I don't understand the end game....

The questions about prostate surgery were interesting. I remembered the testimony about his blue nether regions and the only time I have seen that is after my husband had a vasectomy. Surgery down there would possibly causing similar results, hence what Ginette noticed.

In many ways he is like a serial killer - similar MO with each woman, similar hunting ground...

 

[Belleandsebastian]

This whole case is going to make an excellent movie.

My reflections on today:
I don't believe DdH when she claims to have no knowledge of anything. I would believe it more if she had some knowledge of some situations but none at all seems impossible when you have lived with someone for as long as she has.

I wonder whether the mysterious Monique is/was his blonde European accomplice.

RBs fraudulent practices would have taken up a vast amount of time, especially without a job as a cover. However, unless he lives a wonderful overseas life, his life here does not seem to reflect wealth. In that regard I don't understand the end game....

The questions about prostate surgery were interesting. I remembered the testimony about his blue nether regions and the only time I have seen that is after my husband had a vasectomy. Surgery down there would possibly causing similar results, hence what Ginette noticed.

In many ways he is like a serial killer - similar MO with each woman, similar hunting ground...

Oh, good pickup. Do we know when he had the surgery? Was is around the time he was seeing Ginette?

 

[mishy66]

The other Walkers I found on the Chusan was 3 July 1963 with the same J Walker and wife is M Walker from Taree.
Also on the same passenger list Mrs A Walker Sydney.

Could it be that DdeH connection to the Chusan is because it is the ship her parents often frequented and that is why she name her daughter after it?

 

[Deleted member 249471]

She claimed surgery was very recent, as in the last couple of years.

 

[SLouTh]

Just going to leave this here ICYMI:

Early Jan 1970 – WW and DW meet aboard the Chusan departing Southampton, UK.
15 Feb 1970 – After living in Aus for the past year, WW and IK depart Aus together, status divorced. They were supposedly married for 11 months and left for Belgium without a re-enty to Aus visa.
Early March 1970 – WW and DW arrive in Sydney on the Chusan after a 3 month journey on the seas.

How could WW meet DW on the Chusan between Jan and Mar 1970 when he was still in Australia with wife IK and immigration records show they left together by plane to Belgium on the 15 Feb 1970?

It's not at all possible .... even if he disembarked in Freemantle, as the Chusan didn't arrive in Freemantle / Aus until the 17/2/70.

The Chusan arrived in Sydney on 24/02/1970....

And this is all supposedly "under oath" in a Coroner's Court......
IMO

 

[DK007]

Could this be about the $5 million euros discussed today?
Dated 2010.
Correspondence from Mrs Andree Flamme. Letter with concerns about Australian-born Belgian, Frederick de Hedervary who is wanted by Belgian police.
ArchivesSearch | Queensland State Archives | Queensland Government

Wow what a find

 

[Deleted member 249471]

I want to know what happened in 1996! What prompted the move from Ballina to Wollongbar? Casselden kept repeating it.

 

[Estelle]

Y

es I thought that. Time to recap what she said! The plot thickens!

Here’s a curve ball! My sisters theory is that DD was the one that went into the bank to withdraw the money out and the teller sighted her. Plausible??

Yes that is what I think too. I am still open to police finding out that Diane took a flight with RB 5 days before Marion using a passport which was not in her legal name. RB seems to be good at doing such things as he's done them at least ten times before.

Do you remember Casselden asking her if she had ever changed her name yesterday, I think? I thought that was pointed at the time. IMO Diane could pass for Marion assuming she was thinner, etc. then. We need to see a photo of her when younger.

Then Diane returned using Marion's passport as she had been tricked into filling it in beforehand and also storing it in luggage with her other documents at Heathrow and RB also had the key.

Then they tricked the bank to think Diane was her to withdraw the money and did things for people to think Marion was still alive as they knew things as Marion had been open and honest with them. I think Diane could have been the "Maz" she met whom Marion mentioned on her postcard to Sally.

Then there are two scenarios I am thinking about.

1. The "Dentist" (whom Marion also mentioned on her postcard) was a killer for hire and Marion met her demise in England soon after her phone call to Sally from the UK.

2. Diane did not fly to the UK. Marion called Sally from Hong Kong airport on her stopover back to Australia. She still had her passport and airline ticket, etc. But when she had got to the airport, her other suitcase was missing with all her documents in it. She then became suspicious of RB. He knew she was going to stay at the Novotel in Brisbane as he had arranged it. So that night he went there to welcome her back. She asked him where was the other suitcase with all her documents in? He could have told her that he had it at his house in Wollongbar for safe-keeping so the next night he said he would drive her there to get it. Did he do something to her on the drive there, put her in the boot of his car and then hid her body in bushland somewhere? IMO I don't think Marion survived long after she returned to Australia (if she ever did).

3. RB tells Marion that he has to fly back to Australia urgently because of a business emergency at home - perhaps via a phone call to where she was staying. He tells her that he has found a preschool that they could buy/invest in and they need to be able to pay it by a certain date otherwise they will miss out but her money is only accessible in Australia. They have to act fast! He tells her to go ASAP to his travel agent in Sussex to book a ticket back to Australia. He advises her to put on her Arrivals card that she is a married housewife living in Luxembourg, that she will be staying at the Novotel (where he will met her and the travel agent will advise him of her date of arrival) and that she will only be staying eight? days. So Marion does what he told her to do. But when she arrives at the airport in Heathrow, she finds that the bag into which she put most of her documents in is missing. So she becomes suspicious of him and what happens after she arrives is a mystery.

I would like to find out from their children if they can remember if their parents went overseas in mid 1997 and if they were independent or if they lived somewhere else with another family for a couple of months then while their parents were overseas?

What are your scenarios?

 

[KiwiNZ]

Just going to leave this here ICYMI:

Early Jan 1970 – WW and DW meet aboard the Chusan departing Southampton, UK.
15 Feb 1970 – After living in Aus for the past year, WW and IK depart Aus together, status divorced. They were supposedly married for 11 months and left for Belgium without a re-enty to Aus visa.
Early March 1970 – WW and DW arrive in Sydney on the Chusan after a 3 month journey on the seas.

How could WW meet DW on the set of the Chusan between Jan and March 1970 when he was still in Australia with wife IK and immigration records show they left together by plane on the 15 Feb 1970?

Gosh.

So the boat must be correct, they named their daughter after it lol... but the year must be wrong, it can’t be later as that was the last voyage (?) can it be earlier did he leave Aus in 69 and come back on the boat, leave again with IK in feb70 ?

I would think the fact they named their daughter after the boat there has to be some truth to it but the fact these dates come easily to her makes me distrust her, this women would say I don’t know to her birthdate

 

[DK007]

Y

es I thought that. Time to recap what she said! The plot thickens!

Here’s a curve ball! My sisters theory is that DD was the one that went into the bank to withdraw the money out and the teller sighted her. Plausible??

I was thinking the same whilst watching the inquest. I hope it unravels… and their cracks become abundantly clear!

 

[Estelle]

So if you look at the outward passenger list previously found for passengers embarking from Adelaide, they list the disembarkation points. I am not 100% sure but my guess is:
SG -> Singapore
HK -> Hong Kong
CO -> Colombo
CT -> Calcutta
UK -> UK, pretty self explanatory

But I understood that D said that they embarked in Southampton, England and disembarked in Sydney.
If this is correct then yes it did have the last London to India service, and yes the dates line up with DdH's story - except she's not on the passenger list, that I can find.

 

[Deleted member 249471]

How can a person be in two places at the same time? Someone is lying or there were already two WW / FR or whatever. delirium is setting in.

 

[DK007]

Y

es I thought that. Time to recap what she said! The plot thickens!

Here’s a curve ball! My sisters theory is that DD was the one that went into the bank to withdraw the money out and the teller sighted her. Plausible??

I was thinking the same whilst watching the inquest. I hope it unravels… and their cracks become abundantly clear!

Thanks yes that is what I saw too .... Did I hear correctly, that her parents lived in Vaucluse??
Or does the Balgowlah address fit somehow???

Correct me if I’m wrong, this is how I understood this from todays inquest, I think RB home was in Balgowlah and it’s where MB stored her items after the sale of her home for a week according to RB ??