Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #9

[MrsWattle]

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pages 3176 - 3178

Fantastic find. !
Did Diane say she travelled with her parents? Peggy Walker and Gordon?

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Oh things are getting interesting now!!
Bravo to the sleuths for finding the missing Chusan passenger cards.

so they were both adamant on the stand for the time frame of meeting because it was true… but the name is not….. or is it?

is RB really Freddy and not WW? Or just another fake passport to his feathered cap?

 

[BonnieB]

And he specifically avoided answering if he'd ever used that name, by saying "that's my brother". Going back to listen to his evidence again. WOW!!

He denied it!

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

This is getting so interesting! I wonder why he lied? He denied being Fredy David "No, that was my brother", hahaha.

Thanks to @mishy66 , here's the link:

Fredy David (pg 621) was on the Chusan from Southampton
Arrived in Aus between Jan-Jun 1971
Nationality: Belgian
Country of birth: Tournai
DOB: 7 June 1942
Address in Aus: 59 Dolphin Cres, Whale Beach NSW (always lying!)

This also explains D’s slip on the stand referring to WW as a brother!

 

[mishy66]

That's Diane Walker probably but why did someone attach the Elmer one?

It is Diane Walker.
The person attached the series list with the page numbers underneath.

 

[Itsapuzzle]

I found him
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=30050228&S=621&T=P&R=0

Oh wow mishy66, good on ya ... what an exciting night of discoveries! Bravo

 

[mishy66]

He denied it!

Of course he did.
He isnt telling the truth, even under oath.
But some things he is being honest with.

 

[gymtonic]

This is getting so interesting! I wonder why he lied? He denied being Fredy David "No, that was my brother", hahaha.

Thanks to @mishy66 , here's the link:

Fredy David (pg 621) was on the Chusan from Southampton
Arrived in Aus between Jan-Jun 1971
Nationality: Belgian
Country of birth: Tournai
DOB: 7 June 1942
Address in Aus: 59 Dolphin Cres, Whale Beach NSW (always lying!)

I don't suppose it is possible they were identical twins and swapped identities?!! (whacky I know LOL)

 

[brjakj]

This is getting so interesting! I wonder why he lied? He denied being Fredy David "No, that was my brother", hahaha.

Thanks to @mishy66 , here's the link:


Fredy David (pg 621) was on the Chusan from Southampton
Arrived in Aus between Jan-Jun 1971
Nationality: Belgian
Country of birth: Tournai
DOB: 7 June 1942
Address in Aus: 59 Dolphin Cres, Whale Beach NSW (always lying!)

amazing how no matter what alias he uses, his signature is almost the same every time.

also I have found DdH’s mother but not her father. I though she said she was travelling with her parents.

 

[Jamaha]

Oh things are getting interesting now!!
Bravo to the sleuths for finding the missing Chusan passenger cards.

so they were both adamant on the stand for the time frame of meeting because it was true… but the name is not….. or is it?

is RB really Freddy and not WW? Or just another fake passport to his feathered cap?

The next page in the archives after Fredy David arrival card is I think part of his arrival card. It shows a visa issued in Brussels. I imagine he used the alias as he couldn’t obtain a visa with pending criminal charges. I do wonder why he wanted to travel to Australia though…if to escape, I wonder why he returned?

 

[gymtonic]

Oh things are getting interesting now!!
Bravo to the sleuths for finding the missing Chusan passenger cards.

so they were both adamant on the stand for the time frame of meeting because it was true… but the name is not….. or is it?

is RB really Freddy and not WW? Or just another fake passport to his feathered cap?

I've been looking at and comparing signatures today. The signature on this Fredy David card is very similar to the FdH one that he adopts on the name change. and the squiggle at the end (if I can call it that) is similar for both the WW and the FdH signatures. BTW as I said a moment ago. He reports losing his passport in 1970.

 

[Itsapuzzle]

I don't understand this. Elmer WAACK-WALKER D was born in 1902.

You type 3176 and jump to the D walker page

 

[Belleandsebastian]

Oh congratulations! Well that sorts that mystery out!
Incredible find.

I love that people who have their own line of reasoning, keep at it and sometimes it does pay off.
A few things have taken a different path and all things are possible in this storyline.

Well done you @Jamaha !

Stenographer?
Edit: Oh, I see it’s someone who transcribes shorthand. So she was a secretary after all.

 

[KiwiNZ]

I found him
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=30050228&S=621&T=P&R=0

nice one !

 

[KiwiNZ]

He was under his alias Fredy David

was that the name he claimed he never used ?

 

[mishy66]

This also explains D’s slip on the stand referring to WW as a brother!

This merry go round is still taking me back to my first theory that RB is really one of WW brothers not WW - I posted it a while back ...

 

[mishy66]

Oh wow mishy66, good on ya ... what an exciting night of discoveries! Bravo

It was really @Jamaha that led me to him. Great work by Jamaha!

 

[KiwiNZ]

Oh things are getting interesting now!!
Bravo to the sleuths for finding the missing Chusan passenger cards.

so they were both adamant on the stand for the time frame of meeting because it was true… but the name is not….. or is it?

is RB really Freddy and not WW? Or just another fake passport to his feathered cap?

another fake passport probably obtained using his "brothers" documents

 

[mishy66]

amazing how no matter what alias he uses, his signature is almost the same every time.

also I have found DdH’s mother but not her father. I though she said she was travelling with her parents.

That is exactly what I have found too! He cant seem to change that flourish of a European hand! It was what clinched it for me.
Because his birth date is not the same.... of course.

 

[Deleted member 249471]

Updated this part of the timeline

DOBs
9 July 1939 – Willy David Wouters, Belgium
7 June 1942 – Fredy David, Belgium (alias)
2 Jan 1945 – Roger Lauzoney, Morroco (alias)
16 April 1951 – Diane Walker, Aus, to Peggy and Gordon

Timeline (condensed)
? – WW married to Nicole Reno for weeks or months only, unclear if it was 1st or 2nd wife
1960 – WW married to Janine Leroy, son Gaetan and unnamed daughter

10 May 1969 – IK and WW married in Belgium
22 May 1969 – IK arrives Aus, Sydney
24 May 1969 – WW arrives to Perth, Aus from London
18 Jan 1970 – WW and IK have baby girl, certificate signed by WW
15 Feb 1970 –IK and WW depart with baby from Sydney Aus to Belgium, status divorced

Jan-Mar 1971– FD DW meet on the Chusan sailing Southampton to Sydney
2nd arrival in Aus, stayed with Walker family for 5-6 weeks, then went to Noumea, Tahiti and Paris to see family overseas but was arrested and did jail time

9 Dec 1971 – WW 4 years prison in France
21 May 1974 – WW discharged from prison, at inquest, RB claims he arrived in Aus for 3rd time in May
1974-1976 – Immigration suspects WW arrived in Aus but no records found, next thing we know, he is changing name and marrying DW in Feb 1976

12 Feb 1976 – WW changes name to FDdH
20 Feb 1976 – FDdH marries DW
28 July 1976 – FDdH and DW depart Aus
1976-77 – Roger Lauzoney in jail in Lux but has FDdH passport on him
17 Mar 1977 – FDdH and DW return to Aus
22 Mar 1977 – FDdH departs Aus to do jail time