Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #9

[Pineconemind]

There’s something about Chusan…

(A rare moment of sentimentality, a daughter acknowledged, a nod to an extremely useful entity?)

100%, what is the significance to Chusan.

 

[Pineconemind]

Great find,
so left 23/10/1970?
Arrived Fremantle Perth 1/3/1971

I found him
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=30050228&S=621&T=P&R=0

Well bloody done! And to @Jamaha aswell!

 

[Estelle]

A possible flight route might be Sydney-New Zealand-Tahiti-LA-Paris.
I am a little familiar with flying to the French DOM-TOMs in the Pacific and I doubt that a flight to Paris would go via Nouvelle Caledonie. It’s not on really “on the way” to anywhere. On the otherhand I have done the route Syd-Tahiti via overnight stay in NZ.

EDIT: oh look what I just found- QANTAS Flight map 1969
Qantas routes, 1969

Could be but he claimed he went to Noumea.

 

[Pineconemind]

So I decided to do a search on outgoing passenger cards..
Here is DW from when she left the country.
Note her birthdate... it says the 17th and on the incoming card it says the 16th. And mentions she is british again on this document. I wonder if she has dual citizenship therefore 2 passports...
Mother was also on the same ship departing, but couldn't find father

and staying in Europe for one year

And travelling for business!

 

[BonnieB]

In 1972 electoral rolls Robert Gordon Walker was living at 23 Vaucluse Rd. He was a company director. Peggy Margaret Walker was at the same address - company secretary. Diane also listed at same address - secretary

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

member since 2018. Never understood why this website was called WEBSLEUTHS until now. You're all incredible.

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

He changed his name in on 12 Feb 1976, just prior to marrying DW on 20 Feb 1976 and applying for citizenship as FdH on 23 Feb 1976.

AND he lied to Immigration and Citizenship stating that his father's illness necessitated immediate action on his citizenship petition. Citizenship granted in de Hedevery name 25 Mar 1976, and then the funny bit by investigator. He writes, "He and spouse departed Australia 28 July 1976. (Where was urgency of father's illness???) So RB demands immediate action and then doesn't leave for months.

This report on RB was written in 1986. They had all the goods on him then. They knew everything he'd done. Just sickening.

 

[Jamaha]

DW's mother was 50yo at the time so maybe she was celebrating her 50th with this trip and Diane was celebrating her 21st. Also she gave a different address in Vaucluse than DW did. She gave the address of 55 Olola Avenue, Vaucluse NSW 2030

I’ve found the Father's arrival card:
View digital copy
go to page 1099.
Father uses 55 Ololo Avenue address. Looks like he, Diane and his wife all travelled together.

 

[ruby925]

I've updated alias list. Casselden said:

• over 30 aliases, many of which are slight variations to FDdH (I'll post secondary alias list later)
• 10 passports in 8 different names

I have 5 different passport names plus 2 additional possible different passports names.
So there's at least one passport name we haven't figure out yet.

Main aliases
1939 – Willy C0ppenolle (alleged name at orphanage)
1969 – Willy Wouters (passport, DOB 9 July 1939, arr Perth via UK)
1971 – Fredy David (possible passport, arr Aus on Chusan from UK)
1976 – Frederick David de Hedervary (name change, passport, married DW)
1976-77 – Roger Lauzoney (possible passport, DOB 2 Jan 1945 Morocco, ID jail Lux + FDdH passport)
1985 – Chaim Frederick David Dehedervary (NSW license)
24 Aug 88 – Fernand Nocolas Remakel (QLD license)
2 Oct 1992 – Fernand Nocolas Remakel (QLD license renewed)
1992 – Richard Lloyd Westbury (name change, passport)
10 Dec 94 – FN Remakel (Le Courrier rencontre)
17 Jun 1997 – Richard Lloyd Westbury (passport, dep Aus, Marion dep 22 Jun)
31 Jul 1997 – Richard Lloyd Westbury (passport, arr Aus) Marion arr 2 Aug)
Late 90s – de Havardary (encounter with GGB)
1998-99 – Ric West (as known by JO)
Nov 1999 – Rich Richard (name change, passport, travel with JO)
May 2002 – Frederick David de Hedervary (possible passport and name change, but same as previous name)
mid 2000’s – Willy David Coppenolle (CBA bank)
Current – Ric Blum (name change, possibly when podcast came out)

My inquest notes say there was a Richard Lloyd West passport in 1987 and a Richard Westbury passport in 1992. I will have another listen to see if I got that right...

 

[ruby925]

Hey so, this was my to do list regarding the secondary alias list:

• find the bit in the inquest video where Casselden lists off all the aliases
• post the timestamp so anyone can re-listen
• there's at least two names missing from my list and a couple of surnames
• listen for the pronunciations and adjust spellings
• google search the names to see if spellings are on the right track
• check names on Trove for spellings and to see if anything comes up

However, I'm not going to be able to drop by for a week.
So if anyone else want to have a go at it... by all means
Pretty sure you all will have cracked the case by the time I get back!

The passport aliases are listed around 4hrs 20mins in on Day 7, the secondary aliases were before that, not by much...

 

[ruby925]

I'm looking at the timeline again (screenshot) and have a hunch that maybe RB came back into Australia in the 1974-76 period using the Fredy David alias again. In 1980 Authorities were looking and found nothing under FdH, WW or RL. Worth checking for FD?
View attachment 334493

I agree, he must have had an FD passport for the arrival card to match in 1971 and to exit again, so entirely possible he came back in after prison as FD too.

 

[ruby925]

A possible flight route might be Sydney-New Zealand-Tahiti-LA-Paris.
I am a little familiar with flying to the French DOM-TOMs in the Pacific and I doubt that a flight to Paris would go via Nouvelle Caledonie. It’s not on really “on the way” to anywhere. On the otherhand I have done the route Syd-Tahiti via overnight stay in NZ.

EDIT: oh look what I just found- QANTAS Flight map 1969
Qantas routes, 1969

RB said he 'returned to Europe via Tahiti and Paris' struggling with the airline name and he eventually came up with what sounded like 'ULM' but I think was UTA who flew this route. However, this may have been from the first trip as the NAA website shows him departing SYD 15Feb1970 on UT2506.

 

[Innotts]

Just another weird Belgium related coincidence!!!

What's a "ULM License"

 

[hoodunnit]

Did anyone find Diane's parents on the arrival cards?
I'd like to know if she travelled with them on the Chusan as they claimed.
OR was Diane travelling alone with Mr AKA?

Because Diane's passenger card says she was in the UK for over a year before the Chusan.
And WW was in UK when he departed for Aus to live with IK.

So it's possible DW and Mr AKA already had something going on in UK.
And he just targeted IK as a side swindle.
Then when he got what he needed from IK, he got back with DW.

Mum was on the ship. Haven't found dad yet.

 

[Jamaha]

Mum was on the ship. Haven't found dad yet.

I've found him - Gordon is his middle name (Robert Gordon Walker).
View digital copy
See page 1099

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

I’ve found the Father's arrival card:
View digital copy
go to page 1099.
Father uses 55 Ololo Avenue address. Looks like he, Diane and his wife all travelled together.

Excellent!! Note the nationality change of British is crossed out and Australian is added on a previous post D’s departure card had British so I am going to suggest that maybe Donald migrated here from England at some stage and he perhaps has dual passports and so does his daughter??

 

[brjakj]

Death notice for RGW from SMH on 21/01/1987 shows children. Interesting they are named as “Anne and Ricky”. More alias names or just family nicknames?

also the one for PW from SMH on 5/9/1988 shows “Diane and Ricky”

 

[Itsapuzzle]

So I decided to do a search on outgoing passenger cards..
Here is DW from when she left the country.
Note her birthdate... it says the 17th and on the incoming card it says the 16th. And mentions she is british again on this document. I wonder if she has dual citizenship therefore 2 passports...
Mother was also on the same ship departing, but couldn't find father

Fabulous find ECR, and welcome to Websleuths

 

[Jamaha]

Excellent!! Note the nationality change of British is crossed out and Australian is added on a previous post D’s departure card had British so I am going to suggest that maybe Donald migrated here from England at some stage and he perhaps has dual passports and so does his daughter??

I don't know, but I've seen a few cards with "British - Australian" and then 'British' is crossed out. I wonder if it is a thing from the times where the commonwealth connection and being a dominion of the British Empire meant people regarded themselves as British Australian?

 

[mishy66]

I'm looking at the timeline again (screenshot) and have a hunch that maybe RB came back into Australia in the 1974-76 period using the Fredy David alias again. In 1980 Authorities were looking and found nothing under FdH, WW or RL. Worth checking for FD?
View attachment 334493

Yes my hunch also on that one