Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #9

[LouLouSleuth]

This is my thoughts re DdeH being used as his accomplice when needed. I posted up my theory a while back and I believe she is in the thick of it yes.
I wanted to believe she was another of his victims in all of this but it just isnt possible IMO!
No one living in the same house as him could possibly not know what is going on to some degree!
This leads me to the photograph of that etching shown at the inquest....her denying she knows it.....much more to play out here on that one! IMO.

Also, the way she handled the inquest having no genuine regard for the missing lady or her family. She wasn’t trying to help, she was trying not to provide information about welfare fraud!!

 

[mishy66]

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So I decided to do a search on outgoing passenger cards..
Here is DW from when she left the country.
Note her birthdate... it says the 17th and on the incoming card it says the 16th. And mentions she is british again on this document. I wonder if she has dual citizenship therefore 2 passports...
Mother was also on the same ship departing, but couldn't find father

Very interesting!

 

[LouLouSleuth]

This is very interesting.
Nothing surprises me about him now so this is plausible.

Maybe it is his brother Willy Wouters coming in with Ilona in the April of 1969 and he is really
Freddy .....Désiré !??


Ilona marries WW in May 1969 Brussels
They come into Australia the same month.
He gets residence status due to that marriage
They both go back overseas in the following year 1970
1970-02-15 Willy Wouters departed Australia without a re-entry visa.....
maybe the real WW dies once back overseas?

Ilona marries MJ Reid 1970 - Hungary .... aka RB who is really Desire or Freddy ( remembering he said he hadn't spoken to Freddy for over 30 years....yeah because he is probs dead and you used his ID
- hello new life and new identity!

Anyone find MJ Reid coming in after 1970's -

Stop it!! OMG this can’t be true! Except in this case it could be!!!

 

[mishy66]

So I decided to do a search on outgoing passenger cards..
Here is DW from when she left the country.
Note her birthdate... it says the 17th and on the incoming card it says the 16th. And mentions she is british again on this document. I wonder if she has dual citizenship therefore 2 passports...
Mother was also on the same ship departing, but couldn't find father

and staying in Europe for one year

 

[Estelle]

So I decided to do a search on outgoing passenger cards..
Here is DW from when she left the country.
Note her birthdate... it says the 17th and on the incoming card it says the 16th. And mentions she is british again on this document. I wonder if she has dual citizenship therefore 2 passports...
Mother was also on the same ship departing, but couldn't find father

Diane departed on this ship:

M.S. SHOTA RUSTAVELI
Black Sea Shipping Company (BLASCO)
Soviet Union, Ukraine

and claimed she was going overseas on business for six months.

But how can you get your date of birth wrong?

This first voyage turned out to be such a success, the Charter Travel Club now also had an associate, CTC Lines and no membership was required! Considering the name Shota Rustaveli had been established Down under CTC Lines decided to use her again for the next voyage, thus she departed Southampton on November 24, 1969, arriving in Sydney on December 26, and departing the same day on the first of two South Pacific Island cruises after which she returned to Southampton.

 

[mishy66]

Stop it!! OMG this can’t be true! Except in this case it could be!!!

hahaaha!

Well a few changes toward the end of that theory have come to light but yes, in essence I think I am still going with this theory of him NOT being WW but WW's brother... sounds like a nursery rhyme!

 

[Procrastinator]

So I decided to do a search on outgoing passenger cards..
Here is DW from when she left the country.
Note her birthdate... it says the 17th and on the incoming card it says the 16th. And mentions she is british again on this document. I wonder if she has dual citizenship therefore 2 passports...
Mother was also on the same ship departing, but couldn't find father

So was a business trip for DW or her mum?

 

[gymtonic]

I have just noticed that WW's medical exam for application for residency in 1969 states "fractures to tibia and fibulae in 1960 after fall from horse, operated on and healed well without deformity". So this does not fit with recovering in Switzerland in 1968 and meeting Marion?

 

[BonnieB]

So I decided to do a search on outgoing passenger cards..
Here is DW from when she left the country.
Note her birthdate... it says the 17th and on the incoming card it says the 16th. And mentions she is british again on this document. I wonder if she has dual citizenship therefore 2 passports...
Mother was also on the same ship departing, but couldn't find father

How does someone "forget" their birthdate?

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Yes this was part of my theory a while back....almost too scared to post it all up again

Nah I’m not scared to throw out anything life’s too short that… and I’m too old to not say what I think

 

[Deleted member 249471]

I've updated alias list. Casselden said:

• over 30 aliases, many of which are slight variations to FDdH (I'll post secondary alias list later)
• 10 passports in 8 different names

I have 5 different passport names plus 2 additional possible different passports names.
So there's at least one passport name we haven't figure out yet.

Main aliases
1939 – Willy C0ppenolle (alleged name at orphanage)
1969 – Willy Wouters (passport, DOB 9 July 1939, arr Perth via UK)
1971 – Fredy David (possible passport, arr Aus on Chusan from UK)
1976 – Frederick David de Hedervary (name change, passport, married DW)
1976-77 – Roger Lauzoney (possible passport, DOB 2 Jan 1945 Morocco, ID jail Lux + FDdH passport)
1985 – Chaim Frederick David Dehedervary (NSW license)
24 Aug 88 – Fernand Nocolas Remakel (QLD license)
2 Oct 1992 – Fernand Nocolas Remakel (QLD license renewed)
1992 – Richard Lloyd Westbury (name change, passport)
10 Dec 94 – FN Remakel (Le Courrier rencontre)
17 Jun 1997 – Richard Lloyd Westbury (passport, dep Aus, Marion dep 22 Jun)
31 Jul 1997 – Richard Lloyd Westbury (passport, arr Aus) Marion arr 2 Aug)
Late 90s – de Havardary (encounter with GGB)
1998-99 – Ric West (as known by JO)
Nov 1999 – Rich Richard (name change, passport, travel with JO)
May 2002 – Frederick David de Hedervary (possible passport and name change, but same as previous name)
mid 2000’s – Willy David Coppenolle (CBA bank)
Current – Ric Blum (name change, possibly when podcast came out)

 

[Estelle]

I have just noticed that WW's medical exam for application for residency in 1969 states "fractures to tibia and fibulae in 1960 after fall from horse, operated on and healed well without deformity". So this does not fit with recovering in Switzerland in 1968 and meeting Marion?

No deformity! Then he applies for an invalid pension in both Belgium and Australia so how did he get those?

 

[Deleted member 249471]

Lol, he needed to be sick enough in Belgium to get compensation and a pension, but well enough to be given Aus residency, then sick enough again to earn an Aus disability pension.

 

[BonnieB]

I have just noticed that WW's medical exam for application for residency in 1969 states "fractures to tibia and fibulae in 1960 after fall from horse, operated on and healed well without deformity". So this does not fit with recovering in Switzerland in 1968 and meeting Marion?

I have just noticed that WW's medical exam for application for residency in 1969 states "fractures to tibia and fibulae in 1960 after fall from horse, operated on and healed well without deformity". So this does not fit with recovering in Switzerland in 1968 and meeting Marion?

That's NOT what he claimed in court! He said he had multiple compound fractures to all the bones in his legs, tibia, fibulae AND femur

 

[gymtonic]

I've updated alias list. Casselden said:

• over 30 aliases, many of which are slight variations to FDdH (I'll post this list later)
• 10 passports in 8 different names

I have 5 passports and 2 possible passports in different names.
So there's 1 passport name we haven't figure out yet.

Main aliases
1939 – Willy C0ppenolle (alleged name at orphanage)
1969 – Willy Wouters (passport DOB 9 July 1939, arr Perth via UK)
1971 – Fredy David (possible passport, arr Aus on Chusan from UK)
1976 – Frederick David de Hedervary (name change, passport, married DW)
1976-77 – Roger Lauzoney (possible passport, DOB 2 Jan 1945 Morocco, ID jail Lux + FDdH passport)
1985 – Chaim Frederick David Dehedervary (NSW license)
24 Aug 88 – Fernand Nocolas Remakel (QLD license)
2 Oct 1992 – Fernand Nocolas Remakel (QLD license renewed)
1992 – Richard Lloyd Westbury (name change, passport)
10 Dec 94 – M FN Remakel (Le Courrier rencontre)
17 Jun 1997 – Richard Lloyd Westbury (passport, dep Aus, Marion dep 22 Jun)
31 Jul 1997 – Richard Lloyd Westbury (passport, arr Aus) Marion arr 2 Aug)
Late 90s – de Havardary (encounter with GGB)
1998-99 – Ric West
Nov 1999 – Rich Richard (name change, passport, travel with JO)
May 2002 – Frederick David de Hedervary (possible name change and passport, but same as previous name)
mid 2000’s – Willy David Coppenolle (CBA bank)
Current – Ric Blum (name change, possibly when podcast came out)

Also the following are all aliases listed as used by him in his criminal activities in the 70s (along with Roger Lauzone)

Bernard Du Pont (?)
Christopher Du Pont (the way this is written on the list in NAA it could mean that the alias discovered was Bernard Christopher Du Pont?)
Tony Greca (?)
Christopher Stein (?)
??? Wilson (is this the Wilson Bross International Exports Pty LTD mentioned in the forgery?)
??? Fleming (?)

 

[Estelle]

I've updated alias list. Casselden said:

• over 30 aliases, many of which are slight variations to FDdH (I'll post this list later)
• 10 passports in 8 different names

I have 5 passports and 2 possible passports in different names.
So there's 1 passport name we haven't figure out yet.

Main aliases
1939 – Willy C0ppenolle (alleged name at orphanage)
1969 – Willy Wouters (passport DOB 9 July 1939, arr Perth via UK)
1971 – Fredy David (possible passport, arr Aus on Chusan from UK)
1976 – Frederick David de Hedervary (name change, passport, married DW)
1976-77 – Roger Lauzoney (possible passport, DOB 2 Jan 1945 Morocco, ID jail Lux + FDdH passport)
1985 – Chaim Frederick David Dehedervary (NSW license)
24 Aug 88 – Fernand Nocolas Remakel (QLD license)
2 Oct 1992 – Fernand Nocolas Remakel (QLD license renewed)
1992 – Richard Lloyd Westbury (name change, passport)
10 Dec 94 – M FN Remakel (Le Courrier rencontre)
17 Jun 1997 – Richard Lloyd Westbury (passport, dep Aus, Marion dep 22 Jun)
31 Jul 1997 – Richard Lloyd Westbury (passport, arr Aus) Marion arr 2 Aug)
Late 90s – de Havardary (encounter with GGB)
1998-99 – Ric West
Nov 1999 – Rich Richard (name change, passport, travel with JO)
May 2002 – Frederick David de Hedervary (possible name change and passport, but same as previous name)
mid 2000’s – Willy David Coppenolle (CBA bank)
Current – Ric Blum (name change, possibly when podcast came out)

Is this the correct spelling?
Late 90s – de Havardary (encounter with GGB)

 

[Deleted member 249471]

Is this the correct spelling?
Late 90s – de Havardary (encounter with GGB)

GGB never saw the spelling but that's how she thinks he said it. It's really just to illustrate that he was using that name at that time, despite having a different official name. I also didn't catch what first name she called him.

 

[Deleted member 249471]

Also the following are all aliases listed as used by him in his criminal activities in the 70s (along with Roger Lauzone)

Bernard Du Pont (?)
Christopher Du Pont (the way this is written on the list in NAA it could mean that the alias discovered was Bernard Christopher Du Pont?)
Tony Greca (?)
Christopher Stein (?)
??? Wilson (is this the Wilson Bross International Exports Pty LTD mentioned in the forgery?)
??? Fleming (?)

Thanks, I'm the one who posted the full list a while back. I have many more names than those. I'm just trying to find the timestamp on inquest so I can clarify some spellings I missed. I'll repost my full ist again as soon as I can.

 

[Deleted member 249471]

But if you want them now, knock yourself out. I missed a couple and messed up the spellings so am trying to get clarification.

Secondary aliases
Wouters Willy
Ricky David

Frederick Dehedervary (no space after 'de')
Frederick De Hedervaru (ends in U instead of Y)
Frederike De Hedervary (female spelling)
Francis David de Hedervary

Chaim de Hedervary
Chaim Frederick David
Chaim David

Bernard Dupont (also a friend of his?)
Christopher Dupont
Atilla Dupont

Tony Greca/Grecka
Anthony Gretch/Grech

Christopher Stein
Fleming
Wilson
Charles Gayon
Frank Melon
Gaetan (possibly used son's name from Janine Reno)
Guy Devio
Remy Lajoie
Zabdeel Zilly?

 

[Estelle]

But if you want them now, knock yourself out. I missed a couple and messed up the spellings so am trying to get clarification.

Secondary aliases
Wouters Willy

Fredie David
Ricky David

Frederick Dehedervary (no space after 'de')
Frederick De Hedervaru (ends in U instead of Y
Frederike De Hevedervary (female spelling)
Francis David de Hedervary

Chaim de Hedervary
Chaim Frederick David
Chaim David

Bernard Dupont (also a friend of his?)
Christopher Dupont
Atilla Dupont

Tony Greca
Anthony Gretch/Grech

Christopher Stein
Fleming
Wilson
Charles Gayon
Frank Melon
Gaetan
Guy Devio
Remy Lajoie
Zabdeel Zilly?

He put Fredy David on that card.