Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #9

[BonnieB]

On another but related note, I have also been working on the aliases today (& excuse me if this has already been listed by someone previously) as I am especially interested in the Roger Lauzoney one. Working under the assumption that all of the aliases have some reason or connection, I came up with this list so far:

Aliases
Willy Wouters (family connection)

Frederic de Hedevary (family connection)

Ric Blum (Ric is recurring name but where is Blum sourced from?)
I have noted all the connections between names too (makes them easier to recall)
Roger Lazouney: DOB 1945 2 Jan Morocco (but also listed as 010245 on PASS system 27 August 81). Transcription errors: Spelled as Lauloney on NAA doc 9/4/80; Also spelled Lazoney on NAA cover; Also passenger movement verification check (22 April 1981) lists the alias name to be checked as “Louzoney”.

Ricky David (family connection)

Fredy David (family connection)

Chaim de Hedevary (family connection, but where is Chaim sourced from?)

Cham de Hedevary (as above)

Bernard Du Pont (?)

Christopher Du Pont (the way this is written on the list in NAA it could mean that the alias discovered was Bernard Christopher Du Pont?)

Tony Greca (?)

Christopher Stein (?)

??? Wilson (?)

??? Fleming (?)

On another but related note, I have also been working on the aliases today (& excuse me if this has already been listed by someone previously) as I am especially interested in the Roger Lauzoney one. Working under the assumption that all of the aliases have some reason or connection, I came up with this list so far:

Aliases
Willy Wouters (family connection)

Frederic de Hedevary (family connection)

Ric Blum (Ric is recurring name but where is Blum sourced from?)

Roger Lazouney: DOB 1945 2 Jan Morocco (but also listed as 010245 on PASS system 27 August 81). Transcription errors: Spelled as Lauloney on NAA doc 9/4/80; Also spelled Lazoney on NAA cover; Also passenger movement verification check (22 April 1981) lists the alias name to be checked as “Louzoney”.

Ricky David (family connection)

Fredy David (family connection)

Chaim de Hedevary (family connection, but where is Chaim sourced from?)

Cham de Hedevary (as above)

Bernard Du Pont (?)

Christopher Du Pont (the way this is written on the list in NAA it could mean that the alias discovered was Bernard Christopher Du Pont?)

Tony Greca (?)

Christopher Stein (?)

??? Wilson (?)

??? Fleming (?)

Bernard Dupont was a friend, as was Remakel. He tends to use names and variations of names he is familiar with. I did note that AC asked him specifically where the name WEST came from so I suspect it has some significance.

 

[Jamaha]

@Jamaha can you tell me how you found the passenger cards? I'm trying to look for the deck of another year, but can't seem to find the files to the others...

I’m sorry I can’t remember exactly what I did!! I’ve been doing lots of searches of the archives and I can’t seem to replicate it but I think if you go into an advance search and enter the series number that takes you to more information about the series and you might be able to find others in that series, if that makes sense.

 

[mishy66]

I’m starting to think you are right. Freddy or Desire? Remember WW on one of the genealogy sites has female not male which was always a bit weird. So perhaps WW is female and the brothers are F & D and he has used WW as a male? And now F too…

Yes that actual pedigree that person has done is extensive. It isn't just a hobby for them like so many are. There are some 80000 odd names collectively all related to that lineage. It was the link I put up ages ago to show the extensive work that person has done.
I did notice that Willy was listed as a girl but it could just be a technical hitch when linking M or F to the name.
It is very interesting that tree. I have studied it for weeks.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

So Peggy has listed this address
55 olola Avenue Vaucluse

And D has listed this address
23 Vaucluse Road Vaucluse

hmm

 

[ruby925]

This is getting so interesting! I wonder why he lied? He denied being Fredy David "No, that was my brother", hahaha.

Thanks to @mishy66 , here's the link:

Fredy David (pg 621) was on the Chusan from Southampton
Arrived in Aus between Jan-Jun 1971
Nationality: Belgian
Country of birth: Tournai
DOB: 7 June 1942
Address in Aus: 59 Dolphin Cres, Whale Beach NSW (always lying!)

All makes sense, and why he said Diane didn't want to call him Fredy.....
Was it so simple that he got a passport using his brother's birth certificate?

 

[mishy66]

Yes, and didn't DW say that she didn't want to call him Fred because that was the name of a frog in Australia? (suggesting that he introduced himself as Fredy). So it was DW who introduced the name Ric (which he has been using in derivatives for a lot of subsequent names). IMO Fred or Fredy in Francophone countries is used as a shortened version of Frederic, so it makes more sense for his "real" name being Frederic. There was another interesting exchange in the inquest when an alias as Frederique was raised and he said "that's a woman's name" (or am I imagining that now?). Of course to Anglophones the pronunciation of Frederic and Frederique is almost indistinguishable.
So maybe RB's birth name IS Frederic and the first alias is WW (his brother?).

Yes.
There is a lot to these 'selected' home truths!

 

[centred]

He changed his name in on 12 Feb 1976, just prior to marrying DW on 20 Feb 1976 and applying for citizenship as FdH on 23 Feb 1976.

Sorry i was not clear , I meant he used it when he applied in Aust. when with Ilona .
Someone mentioned it here and i was surprised but then recalled he had the name on the company
as founder back before then .

So just wondering why he has done that back then

 

[ruby925]

The next page in the archives after Fredy David arrival card is I think part of his arrival card. It shows a visa issued in Brussels. I imagine he used the alias as he couldn’t obtain a visa with pending criminal charges. I do wonder why he wanted to travel to Australia though…if to escape, I wonder why he returned?

Same as he used Switzerland as a hideaway from his crimes in France and Belgium in the sixties, he went back to Europe to commit more crimes and would have escaped back to Australia...except he got caught and did time in prison.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

I have a memory of RB and D both saying he stayed with her parents - but was that pre marriage or when he got off the ship.
My understanding was D was living at home. But the different addresses are interesting.
For those of you not familiar with Sydney here’s a map showing the two addresses.. wondering if both properties were owned by the family?
D’s address is now 2 homes so may not have been at the time.

 

[centred]

Yes.
There is a lot to these 'selected' home truths!

Yes Mishy ..Thats what they do

Congrats great find and thanks for your persistence

 

[mishy66]

As I understand it the timeline goes like this: After WW comes to Australia in 1969, he applies for (and gets) residency based on his marriage to IK. WW and IK depart in Feb 1970 claiming divorce. WW claims his Belgian passport (in name WW with residency visa?) is lost sometime in 1970. He departs Southhampton, UK in Jan 1971, arriving in Australia March 1971 travelling as Fredy David. Does he get another passport using FD documents to replace the "lost" WW passport?

Interestingly he uses the "lost passport" again in 1981, to get another passport in Germany. this is around the time he is trying to cover up another set of criminal activities in Europe and Interpol and AFP are trying to find him (and can't).

Yes he is a very cunning and shifty character who knows all the tricks.

 

[ruby925]

I think she said he introduced himself as Freddy (Frederick) but she preferred to call him Rick because Freddy was a frog. He explained this as "He was using the Frederick de Hedervary name" but my head is spinning with names!

Wasn't he already using the name FDH in Australia anyway, he had applied for leave to remain in May 69 as WW and it was granted in Oct69 as FDH after name change by deed poll.. I believe AC quizzed him on this name change.

 

[Jamaha]

@Jamaha can you tell me how you found the passenger cards? I'm trying to look for the deck of another year, but can't seem to find the files to the others...

I think if this link works, you click on series and there’s a list of all the series by the dept of immigration for 1945-1974 if that helps?
Session expired | RecordSearch | National Archives of Australia

 

[Estelle]

On another but related note, I have also been working on the aliases today (& excuse me if this has already been listed by someone previously) as I am especially interested in the Roger Lauzoney one. Working under the assumption that all of the aliases have some reason or connection, I came up with this list so far:

Aliases
Willy Wouters (family connection)

Frederic de Hedevary (family connection)

Ric Blum (Ric is recurring name but where is Blum sourced from?)

Roger Lazouney: DOB 1945 2 Jan Morocco (but also listed as 010245 on PASS system 27 August 81). Transcription errors: Spelled as Lauloney on NAA doc 9/4/80; Also spelled Lazoney on NAA cover; Also passenger movement verification check (22 April 1981) lists the alias name to be checked as “Louzoney”.

Ricky David (family connection)

Fredy David (family connection)

Chaim de Hedevary (family connection, but where is Chaim sourced from?)

Cham de Hedevary (as above)

Bernard Du Pont (?)

Christopher Du Pont (the way this is written on the list in NAA it could mean that the alias discovered was Bernard Christopher Du Pont?)

Tony Greca (?)

Christopher Stein (?)

??? Wilson (?)

??? Fleming (?)

I thought it was Tony Gretch or Grech maybe check that.

 

[Liselle]

I have avidly followed this case, listened to all the podcasts, watched all the CC's proceedings and read just about all these threads. So interesting from ALL the sleuths. But I have just watched "Tinder Swindler" on Netflix and the similarities to this saga are uncanny. Fortunately, there was no Tinder in the 70's, 80's and 90's!!!

 

[ruby925]

he applies for (and gets) residency based on his marriage to IK.

I read here very recently he used the DeH name on his residency appl. Does anyone remember who posted that ?

AC at the inquest said he applied for residency as WW, then changed name by deed poll to FDH so residency granted as FDH.

 

[ruby925]

I found this a few days ago. Bernard Dupont - says French born etc however states spent the last 12 months in aust and staying perm this is 1970 after flying out with IK.. may not be him but it caught my eye. Flight is from noumea

View digital copy

I had seen this one too, made me smile with the occupation as 'bank officer'....

 

[Zanzibar]

I found him
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=30050228&S=621&T=P&R=0

The address is now considered Avalon Beach instead of Whale Beach for those looking for it. Far north shore of Sydney.

 

[Deleted member 249471]

I think if this link works, you click on series and there’s a list of all the series by the dept of immigration for 1945-1974 if that helps?
Session expired | RecordSearch | National Archives of Australia

I wanted to search 1974, but they're not available online, only microfiche

 

[Zanzibar]

I found him
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=30050228&S=621&T=P&R=0

Amazing! Well done.