Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #16

[Martinie]

There are photos of him at school on here somewhere

I hadn't seen any of those, only the new one from 2006. I'll have to go for a search then.

 

[hoodunnit]

I hadn't seen any of those, only the new one from 2006. I'll have to go for a search then.

I remember seeing a few, but can't for the life of me find them now.
Note to self: save images!

 

[hoodunnit]

I hadn't seen any of those, only the new one from 2006. I'll have to go for a search then.

Australia - Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #14

The deeper we dig, the further we get nowhere, hahaha.

www.websleuths.com

 

[MrsWattle]

The Tournai born Belgian woman he abandoned in Bali 2013.?
What passport was he using then?
Frederick David DeHedavary?

 

[MrsWattle]

I don't intend to defend RB at all, but on behalf of disabled people I just want to say it's not unreasonable to sometimes be capable of a long unaided walk, and another time be completely immobile, as I live with someone who is like this. Walking is a valuble quality of life maintenance tool and should be encouraged, and taking a wheely walker on the beach wouldn't work anyway, so I feel like there is an element of false logic to this evidence.

Sorry, my comment was not referring to genuine disabled persons.

 

[Bagpus]

I don't intend to defend RB at all, but on behalf of disabled people I just want to say it's not unreasonable to sometimes be capable of a long unaided walk, and another time be completely immobile, as I live with someone who is like this. Walking is a valuble quality of life maintenance tool and should be encouraged, and taking a wheely walker on the beach wouldn't work anyway, so I feel like there is an element of false logic to this evidence.

Thank you.

 

[Fifilepew]

RB as a person being a cowardly slimy scam artist… would think himself highly intelligent (but not necessarily so)..would be excellent at observation, very good attention to detail, able to read assess people very well (especially.women), very calm under pressure able to adapt very easily to changes in circumstances… would have probably adapted to the internet age quite well and more than likely have had scams online …
Would have definitely done the Facebook post about Marion, not sure about crimes stoppers tip off, (seems more like something a women or someone empathetic would say.. “she didn’t intend to disappear..”

He most likely has a personality disorder - NPD.

 

[cortina]

OK Back to the medical stuff.

Sally is absolutely wrong in thinking that women who have had a hysterectomy do not go through the menopause. They most DEFINITELY do. If you have a hysterectomy with removal of ovaries, it's immediate. If you conserve your ovaries, they are likely to pack up sooner than if you'd kept your uterus. At 51, Marion was slap bang in the middle of prime menopause time.

Without going off at too much of a tangent, even in 2022 it's really difficult to get doctors to listen to what you are experiencing. I had endless blood tests to try to figure out what was going on - including hormone tests and liver function tests. And often when you have had a hysterectomy, the tests are about ruling stuff out before settling on a menopause diagnosis which might involve repeated tests and consultations. Many women going through the menopause feel a level of anxiety/depression which they had not experienced before, and struggle to cope with everyday pressures like niggles or difficult colleagues at work. I can absolutely envision a menopausal Marion who is trying to get her doctor to take her seriously, upset and emotional at work, feeling redundant and useless, kids growing up and moving on and thinking what do I DO with the rest of my life? It is a time of huge transition for many women.

And of course Mr Blum knows all this, and knows what buttons to push to get what he wants. Poor Marion. If she was in the midst of menopausal symptoms, she would have been very vulnerable.

sorry to go this far back. but I'm catching up
I was and still am in a rock solid marriage....if there is such a thing....and didn't want more children when I had a hysterectomy, so I was totally gobsmacked when I experienced a very strong sense of bereavement..or at least that's the nearest emotion I can compare it to...very vulnerable for quite a while

 

[poppypopcorn]

She was hoping her "friend" Suzy Cooper could get her an exchange job just as she had in Australia. It said this in one of the postcards, but at the time of the postcard, nothing had come of it.

Yeah, I don't believe this. Marion would have known the hoops that Suzy had to jump through to enroll on an exchange programme, which has to be organised from your home country BEFORE arriving in the UK.

Don't let's forget that Marion told a lot of lies about what she was doing and where she was going. The "Oh I think I might teach overseas" was just a convenient cover story for what she thought was the truth - a whirlwind romance and an exciting new life in Luxembourg.

 

[cortina]

Yeah, I don't believe this. Marion would have known the hoops that Suzy had to jump through to enroll on an exchange programme, which has to be organised from your home country BEFORE arriving in the UK.

Don't let's forget that Marion told a lot of lies about what she was doing and where she was going. The "Oh I think I might teach overseas" was just a convenient cover story for what she thought was the truth - a whirlwind romance and an exciting new life in Luxembourg.

yes, I sort of agree and disagree at the same time...just don't know in how far she really convinced herself. while she was reassuring others

 

[Martinie]

Australia - Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #14

The deeper we dig, the further we get nowhere, hahaha.

www.websleuths.com

Thank you! I never have enough time to actually sit and look over stuff and find things (Ugh! single mum life) but, I wish this could be solved soon. only 7 days left!!

 

[mishy66]

The school friend was a kid at the time so she saw a kind lady.

The neighbours socialised as adults in adult context so I would assume the neighbour has a better insight.

We didn’t see assertive during the inquest.. or did we? Was the confused fool ‘yep’ nup’ dunno’ answers just an assertive woman playing a role of ditzy and a tad daft?

Agree totally @Eyespywithmylittleeye

IMO it was all a staged act with the both of them.

You cant possibly not know what was going on with him standing there in front of her asking neighbours about minting machines, signing fake documents and talking about working in a flash French restaurant, printing fake Bond Certs, amongst other things

 

[*juniper*]

Yeah, I don't believe this. Marion would have known the hoops that Suzy had to jump through to enroll on an exchange programme, which has to be organised from your home country BEFORE arriving in the UK.

Don't let's forget that Marion told a lot of lies about what she was doing and where she was going. The "Oh I think I might teach overseas" was just a convenient cover story for what she thought was the truth - a whirlwind romance and an exciting new life in Luxembourg.

Yes, sadly I agree with you. I don’t believe that MB had any real intention of contacting Suzy or working overseas at this time – somehow she was convinced to say this as a means to an end. I believe the real intention behind the name change, flying Korean Air but trying to make it look like she flew via Japan Airlines and vague plans to work overseas were all designed to make it look like MB had disappeared somewhere between Tunbridge Wells & The Orient Express. This would then allow her to secretly return to Australia. I believe that MB was looking forward to her new life and the opportunity to share her news with her family, just as soon as she could.

However, instead of MB 'disappearing' overseas, Sally was clever enough to quickly discover that MB had returned to Australia and someone was withdrawing money from her bank account.

Of course, this is all MOO.

 

[BabeBlues]

The Tournai born Belgian woman he abandoned in Bali 2013.?
What passport was he using then?
Frederick David DeHedavary?

I don't think TLV team have established that information yet, if they have it hasn't been shared. Hopefully we learn more in the next podcast.

 

[Nnbee]

The comments on the new post on MPMB facebook page suggest they know of victims from Germany, Yugoslavia and Italy too. wow

 

[TootsieFootsie]

He's been everywhere, man.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I bet he was working on scamming multiple victims at the same time.

That might be why he sometimes left some victims to "go and do business" or "go to coin auctions"

 

[mishy66]

I bet he was working on scamming multiple victims at the same time.

That might be why he sometimes left some to "go and do business"

Or using one victims documents / ID in one country for someone else he is scamming in another country...?

Be interesting to know if the Belgium woman who travelled to Bail used her real name on passport...

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Or using one victims documents / ID in one country for someone else he is scamming in another country...?

I'm not sure exactly how that would work.
Do you mean he's getting those women to change to a name of one of his victims ?

Maybe if there were victims who had died, that might be a way to make them appear not dead.

Off to a coin auction My "self censored"

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Six days from tomorrow til the Coroners findings.