Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #16

[mishy66]

This licence thing is weird.

1994??!

Why would Marion get this done in 94 when her name wasn’t legally florabella yet?

I think this is RB creating this licence and name… perhaps in preparation for his victim

A bit of future planning?

Totally

 

[mishy66]

Could this be the date MB transferred her licence from NSW to QLD when she took up the position at TSS?

As each state issues their own licence, you are meant transfer your licence if you shift interstate. (Unless you can somehow arrange for different addresses in different states so that you can hold multiple licences.)

Makes sense.
Jan 1994 Marion purchases home 15 Merinda Court Ashmore
Marion starts TSS Jan 1994


I am wondering if he has links to real estate agents

 

[mishy66]

Anyone know if AKA lived in Canberra?

 

[*juniper*]

I am wondering if he has links to real estate agents

Interesting observation. Or possibly links to a loans officer in a bank? He clearly has/had contacts in both Australia and Europe who could help him dispose of valuable items without asking too many questions.

However, at the same time I think he would be keen to minimise the number of people he involves in his schemes - with fewer people involved there is less chance of unnecessary complications and less need for payments to ensure cooperation. I tend to see Mr AKA's longevity in his line of business as related to a preference to work on his own as much as possible. Of course, this is just my opinion.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Rye News, UK 8th December 2022

Missing Marion, the mystery continues | Rye News

www.ryenews.org.uk

After the podcast went live, New South Wales police launched a formal review of the case which gathered enough evidence to warrant a deeper investigation and eventually an inquest that ended last month.

Rye News has been plotting this mysterious disappearance in a series of articles, the first, Missing person-can you help? was published in Rye News on July 18, 2019.

You can follow the story which left us all in suspense when it was announced in May of this year that the court case had not reached a verdict and that there was to be a final hearing this November.

To date, nobody has been charged with wrong-doing related to her mysterious disappearance.

 

[mishy66]

Anyone know if AKA lived in Canberra?

I ask because I found a few things.... including this


20 May 1977

$15,000 collection stolen - The Canberra Times (ACT : 1926 - 1995) - 20 May 1977

A coin collection worth up to $15,000, put together over the past 15 years as an heirloom for the owner's only daughter, was ...

trove.nla.gov.au

16 May 1977

$15,000 theft of coins, jewellery - The Canberra Times (ACT : 1926 - 1995) - 16 May 1977

Coins and jewllery worth about $15,000 were stolen on Friday night when thieves broke into an auction room owned by R. Steer and Co (Canberra) Pty Ltd in Fyshwick. ...

trove.nla.gov.au

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

The licence effective date is 14 Oct 1994
The add in Le Courier by M F Remakel is dated 10 Dec 1994 - so after the licence was established in QLD.

MB's date of birth is correct on the licence - so whoever established the licence, knew her date of birth.
For the licence to be established by RB, that means he knew Marion before the licence was established & also before placing the add in Le Courier???

I don't think the attachment above is MB's actual licence - it's a printout of her licence record - so could the 'male' simply be an error?

Could the change of name, date of birth and gender been amended at a later date (i.e. after the effective date of 14/10/94 shown on the printout) in order to fit his plan of sharing in the same initials as his victim in 1997?

Just tell the authorities the details were incorrect when the licence was first taken out? I assume they would retain records with regard to alterations on driving licences?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Makes sense.
Jan 1994 Marion purchases home 15 Merinda Court Ashmore
Marion starts TSS Jan 1994


I am wondering if he has links to real estate agents

You bet your life he does and he'll be taking percentages.

 

[mishy66]

You bet your life he does and he'll be taking percentages.

Yep.

Always thought he had someone in the real estate game helping him.
Too many 'coincidences'

 

[*juniper*]

I am still wondering just when MB changed her name on her driver’s licence. JMO, but I can’t see how she could have or would have changed her driving licence name before 15 May 1997, which is the date she amended her name to FNMR by deed poll. (I believe the effective date of 14 October 1997 shown on the traffic record was the date she transferred her NSW licence to Queensland after she moved interstate.)

I have been considering if MB might have waited until her return to Australia to change her driver's licence name.

Possible reasons include:
* she was too busy selling her house, packing up, working at TSS
* she ran out of time, especially as she brought forward her resignation date and departure
* her FNMR licence still had the Merinda Court address, and she may have been concerned at the risk of mail in her new name going to her old address while she was overseas.

Was the trip to Burleigh Heads, where $5000 was withdrawn daily over 3 consecutive days, to allow MB to visit the relevant Queensland authority and change the name on her licence? Something that could only be done in Queensland. And if she told them she had lost her previous licence (she may have needed a police report for this), she could have kept her MB licence, valid until October 1999, which would provide her with the necessary ID to continue to withdraw cash from her bank accounts.

Alternatively, maybe Queenslanders might be able to suggest another reason why MB might have needed to visit Burleigh Heads? Something to do with her teaching registration perhaps?

 

[*juniper*]

I am still wondering just when MB changed her name on her driver’s licence. JMO, but I can’t see how she could have or would have changed her driving licence name before 15 May 1997, which is the date she amended her name to FNMR by deed poll. (I believe the effective date of 14 October 1997 shown on the traffic record was the date she transferred her NSW licence to Queensland after she moved interstate.)

I am very sorry – I have realised that I made a mistake with a key date in my last post. The effective date on the Queensland traffic record should be 14 October 1994, not 14 October 1997.

 

[*juniper*]

So, thinking more about the daily cash withdrawals of $5,000 from the Commonwealth bank branches in Byron Bay & Burleigh Heads over 3 ½ weeks in August and September 1997. (I am trusting Sally that this information is correct.)

Most of the cash was withdrawn in Byron Bay (NSW), except for 3 consecutive days where the money was withdrawn from Burleigh Heads.

I think MB went to Burleigh Heads (Queensland) because she wanted to finalise an administrative matter in her home state before she departed Australia. Something she had to do in person and had to wait for, as she did not have a postal address she could use for mail in her new FNMR name.

Continuing to withdraw money while visiting Burleigh Heads runs the risk of bank staff asking awkward questions. This suggests to me that it was MB withdrawing the money. If it was an imposter, then surely it would be safer to stick to the same branch in Byron Bay for all withdrawals?

It also suggests there was a time pressure to withdraw the money as quickly as possible. I can’t find school term dates for 1997, but I know that Queensland, NSW and Victoria stagger the 2 week spring school break starting from mid-September. Byron Bay is a popular holiday destination and MB would not want to run the risk of being identified by former pupils & parents. Mr AKA may well have had his own family commitments over the school holidays.

Then after the school holiday period, someone (not necessarily MB) returns to Byron Bay to withdraw the final lump sum from the Colonial State bank. JMO.

 

[mishy66]

I can’t find school term dates for 1997, but I know that Queensland, NSW and Victoria stagger the 2 week spring school break starting from mid-September. Byron Bay is a popular holiday destination and MB would not want to run the risk of being identified by former pupils & parents. Mr AKA may well have had his own family commitments over the school holidays.

Then after the school holiday period, someone (not necessarily MB) returns to Byron Bay to withdraw the final lump sum from the Colonial State bank. JMO.

NSW school hols 1997 would have been around Sept 26 to Oct 10 I think

SEPT 24 AND 25 1997 NSW SWIM TEAM WITH M deH to compete at Aust Swimming Championships Sydney International Aquatic Centre


He wouldn't have taken Marion to Byron Bay with him. His inlaws all live there and are very well known in the area.
I cant imagine him playing happy father over the school holidays with his kids.

 

[*juniper*]

SEPT 24 AND 25 1997 NSW SWIM TEAM WITH M deH to compete at Aust Swimming Championships Sydney International Aquatic Centre

He wouldn't have taken Marion to Byron Bay with him. His inlaws all live there and are very well known in the area.
I cant imagine him playing happy father over the school holidays with his kids.

Thanks for the information on the NSW school holidays & the Aust Swimming Championships @mishy66.

There is a recent request on the MPMB facebook page, asking for help from people who attended the Australian Open [Swimming] Championships in Brisbane between 5–11 October 1997.

If Mr AKA did attend these events then that could partially explain the gap between the Commonwealth bank withdrawals over August/September and the final Colonial State bank withdrawal on 15 October 1997. However I still struggle with the reason why MB would have stayed in Australia for so long without making contact with Sally.

As for accommodation, I am thinking MB might have stayed somewhere nearby to Byron where she could access the (very limited) public transport into town. Mr AKA would visit infrequently, which would reduce his risk of being seen by his inlaws. He would not go out in public with MB. And if the inlaws did see him, he would give them some BS reason why he was there. MOO.

 

[*juniper*]

I suppose one of the questions I would have is where was Marion in the period of over 10 weeks from her supposed return to Australia to the last large withdrawal from the Bank in the 15 Oct 1997?

From the other cases it appears as though Mr Aka liked to work quickly. If she was ‘married’ abroad would she think it strange if he kept disappearing on their return to Australia. She had sold her home and had no car so where was she residing in that period of return?

Yes, Mr AKA liked to work quickly. So, if they met/reconnected back in Feb 1997, then why is MB withdrawing the last of her money on 15 October 1997?

I wonder if answer is that after MB sold her house, instead of giving Mr AKA the cash as he anticipated, she opened the high interest Colonial State Bank account. It suited her to resign from her job and sell her house, she was hopeful of a new life with a new partner, but she was not prepared to give him all her money, at least not straight away.

So, after MB made it clear to Mr AKA she was investing her money until they found the right property, (this is even before she has received the money from the house sale) he starts upping the ante to try and persuade her to give him the cash.

Firstly he arranges her name change, as an indicator of their new life together (& possibly make it hard for her family to contact her while she is travelling). However MB continues with her plans to invest her money in her own name. She opens the account with the Colonial State Bank. She does not change the name on her bank account. The house sale is finalised and she moves to stay with her friend.

Mr AKA starts to worry he is losing his influence. It is harder for him to contact her or stay overnight. He is concerned that she might confide in her friend about the new relationship. So he brings forward their departure. MB has to bring forward her resignation and leave Australia with unfinished business, including the scales, her roadside assistance policy and optometrist appointment.

For some reason the money is not withdrawn while overseas. It could be difficulties due to the name change or it could be unwillingness on the part of MB as she wants to see the property they are purchasing. After 6 weeks Mr AKA decides it is better to return to Austalia.

Back in Australia MB finally agrees to start withdrawing her cash, with the final lump sum withdrawn just a few days before Owen’s birthday, in anticipation of reuniting with her family and sharing her news. MOO.

 

[Estelle]

Merry Christmas everyone! Let's hope justice is served in 2023!

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Merry Christmas everyone! Let's hope justice is served in 2023!

Yes, Merry Christmas All!

I was just thinking how quiet the thread, and news re the case has gone.

I'd like to think that behind the scenes, big things might be in the works.

Roll on 2023...

 

[mishy66]

NYMBOIDA

Spent some time going back over AKAs tall tales.


As we know he sprinkles grains of truths in most of his manure because it connects to something tangible that he has come across, through someone he meets, a relatives life and books he reads etc etc etc. We have all seen evidence of this found by sleuths during the inquest eg, the letter he part plagiarised to MC.


Nymboida sticks in my claw that this is also a BS story told to JO to swoon her. But just using this place in his story must have some connection to his life IMO

I started going over people connected to the area through Trove and old newspapers back in the 60s and 70s, and found a VERY interesting connection to a person who once lived in the very area that AKA put on his FD passenger card 1970.
The SAME area that DdeH sisters husband family member built houses in.
This famous person NY had also built his home along the same cliff side and owned it for many years until 1994.

I searched through all the years of Aust surfing and looked at connections to that time and more recently in Byron Bay and Gold Coast. I noticed NY had spent most of his surfing life in Byron and had book launches in many top surf areas along the QLD and NSW coast.
The surf scene also plays a huge part in the lives of one of the deHs it seems.

In the articles attached found through Trove and old newspapers, I found A lot of information in regard to NY and Nymboida.
I can’t post or attach everything because of peoples names not assoc to the case…….BUT SO MANY COINCIDENCES!!!


Obviously I am trying to be careful not to say names and make these direct connections but reading the attached articles and looking up for yourself, you will see what I am meaning…..hopefully.

Drugs play a huge role and the dates and PLACE is remarkable.

Did AKA read about these people at one time?
WAS AKA a FRIEND of the property care taker…..?
Perhaps there was a mutual friend between him and NY?
Maybe AKA read one of this famous persons books?
Did he meet him at some point back in the 70s when he lived in the area after he arrived as FD?
Did one of his children meet this famous person through the surf scene?
Did one of his children work with one of the famous persons children?

What ever the reason, THIS is what I believe to be his manure story of owning the Cedar plantation in Nymboida.

This famous person built his home from the cedar trees on his Nymboida property in 1973.
A fire destroyed it in 2019.

Nat Young loses North Coast homestead in NSW fires | Swellnet Dispatch | Swellnet


March 1979 ~ He also got caught for a 2M drug bust that his property caretaker looked after…..

first attach May 1994 ~ sale of house Whale Beach Road

newspaper attachments on NY and Nymboida property

 

[HinterlandObserver]

NYMBOIDA

Spent some time going back over AKAs tall tales.


As we know he sprinkles grains of truths in most of his manure because it connects to something tangible that he has come across, through someone he meets, a relatives life and books he reads etc etc etc. We have all seen evidence of this found by sleuths during the inquest eg, the letter he part plagiarised to MC.


Nymboida sticks in my claw that this is also a BS story told to JO to swoon her. But just using this place in his story must have some connection to his life IMO

I started going over people connected to the area through Trove and old newspapers back in the 60s and 70s, and found a VERY interesting connection to a person who once lived in the very area that AKA put on his FD passenger card 1970.
The SAME area that DdeH sisters husband family member built houses in.
This famous person NY had also built his home along the same cliff side and owned it for many years until 1994.

I searched through all the years of Aust surfing and looked at connections to that time and more recently in Byron Bay and Gold Coast. I noticed NY had spent most of his surfing life in Byron and had book launches in many top surf areas along the QLD and NSW coast.
The surf scene also plays a huge part in the lives of one of the deHs it seems.

In the articles attached found through Trove and old newspapers, I found A lot of information in regard to NY and Nymboida.
I can’t post or attach everything because of peoples names not assoc to the case…….BUT SO MANY COINCIDENCES!!!


Obviously I am trying to be careful not to say names and make these direct connections but reading the attached articles and looking up for yourself, you will see what I am meaning…..hopefully.

Drugs play a huge role and the dates and PLACE is remarkable.

Did AKA read about these people at one time?
WAS AKA a FRIEND of the property care taker…..?
Perhaps there was a mutual friend between him and NY?
Maybe AKA read one of this famous persons books?
Did he meet him at some point back in the 70s when he lived in the area after he arrived as FD?
Did one of his children meet this famous person through the surf scene?
Did one of his children work with one of the famous persons children?

What ever the reason, THIS is what I believe to be his manure story of owning the Cedar plantation in Nymboida.

This famous person built his home from the cedar trees on his Nymboida property in 1973.
A fire destroyed it in 2019.

Nat Young loses North Coast homestead in NSW fires | Swellnet Dispatch | Swellnet


March 1979 ~ He also got caught for a 2M drug bust that his property caretaker looked after…..

first attach May 1994 ~ sale of house Whale Beach Road

newspaper attachments on NY and Nymboida property

You are the most excellent researcher! I’m asking hubby about this person first thing. He’s very knowledgeable about surfing history and may have some insight, or know someone to ask.
Think you found the link to the fictional cedar trees IMOO

 

[MrsWattle]

NYMBOIDA

Spent some time going back over AKAs tall tales.


As we know he sprinkles grains of truths in most of his manure because it connects to something tangible that he has come across, through someone he meets, a relatives life and books he reads etc etc etc. We have all seen evidence of this found by sleuths during the inquest eg, the letter he part plagiarised to MC.


Nymboida sticks in my claw that this is also a BS story told to JO to swoon her. But just using this place in his story must have some connection to his life IMO

I started going over people connected to the area through Trove and old newspapers back in the 60s and 70s, and found a VERY interesting connection to a person who once lived in the very area that AKA put on his FD passenger card 1970.
The SAME area that DdeH sisters husband family member built houses in.
This famous person NY had also built his home along the same cliff side and owned it for many years until 1994.

I searched through all the years of Aust surfing and looked at connections to that time and more recently in Byron Bay and Gold Coast. I noticed NY had spent most of his surfing life in Byron and had book launches in many top surf areas along the QLD and NSW coast.
The surf scene also plays a huge part in the lives of one of the deHs it seems.

In the articles attached found through Trove and old newspapers, I found A lot of information in regard to NY and Nymboida.
I can’t post or attach everything because of peoples names not assoc to the case…….BUT SO MANY COINCIDENCES!!!


Obviously I am trying to be careful not to say names and make these direct connections but reading the attached articles and looking up for yourself, you will see what I am meaning…..hopefully.

Drugs play a huge role and the dates and PLACE is remarkable.

Did AKA read about these people at one time?
WAS AKA a FRIEND of the property care taker…..?
Perhaps there was a mutual friend between him and NY?
Maybe AKA read one of this famous persons books?
Did he meet him at some point back in the 70s when he lived in the area after he arrived as FD?
Did one of his children meet this famous person through the surf scene?
Did one of his children work with one of the famous persons children?

What ever the reason, THIS is what I believe to be his manure story of owning the Cedar plantation in Nymboida.

This famous person built his home from the cedar trees on his Nymboida property in 1973.
A fire destroyed it in 2019.

Nat Young loses North Coast homestead in NSW fires | Swellnet Dispatch | Swellnet


March 1979 ~ He also got caught for a 2M drug bust that his property caretaker looked after…..

first attach May 1994 ~ sale of house Whale Beach Road

newspaper attachments on NY and Nymboida property

Amazing research Mishy!
I do wonder if RB's daughter was inspired by slightly older NY's daughter who both worked at Qantas for many years.

The newspaper reference to NY's "Timber Farm" in Nymboida stands out.

810 hectares is approx 2000 acres.
I imagine RB jealous of this. MOO