Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #16

[TootsieFootsie]

But you actually wouldn't draw out a large amount of cash to go and start a new life would you?

Cash may have been RBs idea...

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I hope something is in the works investigation wise.

Everything seems to have gone quiet.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Za nestalom majkom traga već 25 godina: Otkrila je strašne stvari i tajni život majčinog ljubavnika

Marion Barter nestala je 1997. godine i njena ćerka od tada pokušava da sazna šta se dogodilo sa njenom majkom

www.telegraf.rs

Bosnia. Looks like the CNN article.
Also on a Croation news site.

 

[MrsWattle]

Cash may have been RBs idea...

RB seems to like CASH only.

 

[mishy66]

MBFB page sharing all we have found already on AKA thanks to NAA and Online newspaper clippings .

 

[Liselle]

I hope something is in the works investigation wise.

Everything seems to have gone quiet.

I've been busy! These jottings are just my thoughts. Don't judge me, please make corrections and I welcome additions. Don't know the limit of characters (word count) so I'll post in sections, and hope it works. Here goes…… ..n.b. Some of the underlining in Part 4 would not save no matter how many times I tried. Facts should be well known by everyone here anyway!

PART 1
A TALE TO TELL
All underlined sections are fact, the rest is imagination or fantasy!

2 August 1997 - MB arrives in Brisbane.
Checks into Novotel Brisbane (South Bank) where her partner already had a booking. They spend a few days together in the city, before the partner has to leave for a few days "to meet with his handlers" and will be uncontactable. In reality, he catches a train and coach-bus home to his wife in Wollongbar, NSW.
MB remains at the Novotel and spends her time sightseeing, visiting the Museum, Cultural Centre, Gallery of Modern Art, etc, which are all just a short distance from the hotel.

7 Aug - on one of these outings, she comes across the RACQ building and, not having a car anymore, walks in and cancels her RACQ membership.

 

[Liselle]

PART 2
11 Aug - MB's partner purchases a second-hand Mitsubishi Magna and returns to Brisbane to collect MB.

12 Aug - They both check out of the Novotel and MB does the 3 hour drive south this time into NSW, bypassing the townships of Byron Bay, Ballina and Wollongbar by several kilometers. Anyway, no one knows RB's new car.
They book into a motel in Iluka, NSW for 6 nights.

13 Aug - MB wakes up with blurred vision and a headache from her long drive and feels the need to get a check up. The nearest optometrist is a 1 hr drive away in Grafton so her partner drives her there and is seen by an optometrist without an appointment.They stay in Iluka for 4 more days whilst MB rests up.

MB's companion gets a phone call, saying "he has to attend an urgent meeting again and will be away for at least a month"! So, he suggests booking a short term rental, which should give her a bit of stability and homeliness instead of staying in hotels. He finds a cottage to lease for 8 weeks on the outskirts of the Northern Rivers area, available from the 23 Aug.

18 Aug - MB drops her partner off at Ballina Airport so he can fly to Sydney for his important meeting. However, unbeknownst to her, he taxies back to the Big Prawn where he is picked up by his wife, telling her he had car trouble and the car was in for a gearbox repair. (DdeH says they only kept car for 3 weeks as it was problematic.) They head home to Wollongbar.

MB drives the Mitsubishi Magna into Byron Bay and withdraws $500 and another $500 on the same day. The owner of the cottage had struck a deal with her partner, that they could have the cottage at a reduced rate for cash. Plus she needs some spending money for food, fuel and accommodation. MB then drives the Mitsubishi Magna 80kms to Burleigh Heads, checking into a Burleigh Heads motel, staying for 5 nights and visiting familiar surroundings. Her partner calls, saying he had arrived in Sydney but there could be an issue with the money, and she needs to withdraw it all in cash so they can safely return to Luxembourg without his cover being blown.

 

[Liselle]

PART 3
21 Aug - MB withdraws $500 from the Ashmore branch (near Southport) of her bank.

22 Aug - MB withdraws another $500 from Ashmore bank.

23 Aug - Checks out of Burleigh Heads motel and checks into the short term rental cottage to await her companion's return. On the way, MB stops at Byron Bay and withdraws $500. Then, everyday after that she returns to do the same, as this is the maximum allowed.

24 Aug - MB withdraws $500 in Byron Bay.

25 Aug - MB withdraws $500 in Byron Bay

26 Aug - MB withdraws $500 in Byron Bay

27 Aug - MB withdraws $500 in Byron Bay

28 Aug - MB withdraws $500 in Byron Bay.

MB remains at the rental cottage throughout September, enjoying long walks in the countryside, reading, etc, with regular phone calls from her elusive companion, still "in Sydney", reminding her to be discreet and not be tempted to contact friends or family. It is for their safety, until they return to Luxembourg!

 

[Liselle]

PART 4
1 Oct - RB purchases a Safety Deposit envelope at the Commonwealth Bank, Ballina, NSW.

3 Oct - MB's 52nd birthday. Partner surprises her by arriving at the cottage with flowers for her birthday. She proudly shows him the cash and he immediately knows it won't fit into the envelope and there is still a lot more to come!

7 Oct - RB cancels safety deposit envelope. Stays at cottage, planning how to do last, big withdrawal of MB's money. Bank information tells them that such a large amount must be withdrawn from the branch where the account is held! MB reminds her partner about her superannuation which she can't access until she turns 65 years of age and anyway, this is her "nest-egg" for Sally and Owen.

14 Oct - Partner opens a Safety Deposit Box, Commonwealth Bank, Ballina.

15 Oct - MB drives to Ashmore, Qld to withdraw $80000. Partner accompanies her and upon returning to Cottage, he takes the money to deposit safely at the bank in Ballina, where he had prearranged a safety deposit box. The plan being, they would keep ALL THEIR money there until they were ready to depart Australia around late October.

But MB really wanted to surprise Owen for his birthday on the 18th of October; contact Sally and the family with her good news - marriage, a home in Luxembourg, being a housewife, learning languages, travelling, etc.

Marion is never seen, heard of, or heard from, again.

18 Oct - Rental house vacated, exactly 8 weeks having elapsed. It's Owen's birthday today and his mother has not contacted him.

30 Nov - RB sells Mitsubishi Magna.

Dec - deH family move from home Wollongbar to Ballina.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

MBFB page sharing all we have found already on AKA thanks to NAA and Online newspaper clippings .

Hmmm...

 

[HinterlandObserver]

PART 2
11 Aug - MB's partner purchases a second-hand Mitsubishi Magna and returns to Brisbane to collect MB.

12 Aug - They both check out of the Novotel and MB does the 3 hour drive south this time into NSW, bypassing the townships of Byron Bay, Ballina and Wollongbar by several kilometers. Anyway, no one knows RB's new car.
They book into a motel in Iluka, NSW for 6 nights.

13 Aug - MB wakes up with blurred vision and a headache from her long drive and feels the need to get a check up. The nearest optometrist is a 1 hr drive away in Grafton so her partner drives her there and is seen by an optometrist without an appointment.They stay in Iluka for 4 more days whilst MB rests up.

MB's companion gets a phone call, saying "he has to attend an urgent meeting again and will be away for at least a month"! So, he suggests booking a short term rental, which should give her a bit of stability and homeliness instead of staying in hotels. He finds a cottage to lease for 8 weeks on the outskirts of the Northern Rivers area, available from the 23 Aug.

18 Aug - MB drops her partner off at Ballina Airport so he can fly to Sydney for his important meeting. However, unbeknownst to her, he taxies back to the Big Prawn where he is picked up by his wife, telling her he had car trouble and the car was in for a gearbox repair. (DdeH says they only kept car for 3 weeks as it was problematic.) They head home to Wollongbar.

MB drives the Mitsubishi Magna into Byron Bay and withdraws $500 and another $500 on the same day. The owner of the cottage had struck a deal with her partner, that they could have the cottage at a reduced rate for cash. Plus she needs some spending money for food, fuel and accommodation. MB then drives the Mitsubishi Magna 80kms to Burleigh Heads, checking into a Burleigh Heads motel, staying for 5 nights and visiting familiar surroundings. Her partner calls, saying he had arrived in Sydney but there could be an issue with the money, and she needs to withdraw it all in cash so they can safely return to Luxembourg without his cover being blown.

My only thought on this is that I’m not sure if the highway/bypass for Ballina and Byron etc was built at that time? It could have been that you still had to drive through Ballina at the time to go south?

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

PART 4
1 Oct - RB purchases a Safety Deposit envelope at the Commonwealth Bank, Ballina, NSW.

3 Oct - MB's 52nd birthday. Partner surprises her by arriving at the cottage with flowers for her birthday. She proudly shows him the cash and he immediately knows it won't fit into the envelope and there is still a lot more to come!

7 Oct - RB cancels safety deposit envelope. Stays at cottage, planning how to do last, big withdrawal of MB's money. Bank information tells them that such a large amount must be withdrawn from the branch where the account is held! MB reminds her partner about her superannuation which she can't access until she turns 65 years of age and anyway, this is her "nest-egg" for Sally and Owen.

14 Oct - Partner opens a Safety Deposit Box, Commonwealth Bank, Ballina.

15 Oct - MB drives to Ashmore, Qld to withdraw $80000. Partner accompanies her and upon returning to Cottage, he takes the money to deposit safely at the bank in Ballina, where he had prearranged a safety deposit box. The plan being, they would keep ALL THEIR money there until they were ready to depart Australia around late October.

But MB really wanted to surprise Owen for his birthday on the 18th of October; contact Sally and the family with her good news - marriage, a home in Luxembourg, being a housewife, learning languages, travelling, etc.

Marion is never seen, heard of, or heard from, again.

18 Oct - Rental house vacated, exactly 8 weeks having elapsed. It's Owen's birthday today and his mother has not contacted him.

30 Nov - RB sells Mitsubishi Magna.

Dec - deH family move from home Wollongbar to Ballina.

Sure sounds good to me. You make it all work and sound plausible. Poor Marion.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I don't think Marion would have driven without a valid drivers licence and insurance under any circumstances, if that is what's being suggested?

I would say if MB did return to Australia and did cancel her vehicle membership, it would be as she was tying up loose ends under the belief she would be returning to Europe to become a 'Luxembourg housewife' or maybe residing in the UK and thinking about investing in a school.

Also, I don't believe there's any way herself and RB spent substantial time together as he is in fact an intolerable pig whose lies were collapsing around him so he would have had to create a major dramatic pretense and chaos in order to avoid being around her.

IMO if she was alive and present and taking out the cash sums every day then it was because RB had instructed her that the vendor of, say, the imaginary school building (maybe a premises they had looked at in the UK) could only receive 'x amount' per day due to their personal reasons and not because in fact the bank would only allow that amount to be withdrawn daily without it flagging up to a fraud prevention team or money laundering alert or unusual transaction needing authorisation whatever the system was in Australia back then. In fact Marion may not have even known about daily withdrawal limits - she would have been doing what she was told. JMO MOO

 

[KiwiNZ]

I don't think Marion would have driven without a valid drivers licence and insurance under any circumstances, if that is what's being suggested?

I would say if MB did return to Australia and did cancel her vehicle membership, it would be as she was tying up loose ends under the belief she would be returning to Europe to become a 'Luxembourg housewife' or maybe residing in the UK and thinking about investing in a school.

I believe Marion did have a valid driver's license under FNMR

She cancelled the insurance on her car (assumed it was the insurance on the car)

Could she of possible had a savings account ???

You can become a member of Queensland’s largest club by holding one of these products*:

• RACQ Insurance (excluding CTP and travel insurance)
• RACQ Roadside Assistance
• RACQ Bank transaction and savings accounts, term deposits, home loans and personal loans
• RACQ Lifestyle subscription

 

[Liselle]

I don't think Marion would have driven without a valid drivers licence and insurance under any circumstances, if that is what's being suggested?

I would say if MB did return to Australia and did cancel her vehicle membership, it would be as she was tying up loose ends under the belief she would be returning to Europe to become a 'Luxembourg housewife' or maybe residing in the UK and thinking about investing in a school.

Also, I don't believe there's any way herself and RB spent substantial time together as he is in fact an intolerable pig whose lies were collapsing around him so he would have had to create a major dramatic pretense and chaos in order to avoid being around her.

IMO if she was alive and present and taking out the cash sums every day then it was because RB had instructed her that the vendor of, say, the imaginary school building (maybe a premises they had looked at in the UK) could only receive 'x amount' per day due to their personal reasons and not because in fact the bank would only allow that amount to be withdrawn daily without it flagging up to a fraud prevention team or money laundering alert or unusual transaction needing authorisation whatever the system was in Australia back then. In fact Marion may not have even known about daily withdrawal limits - she would have been doing what she was told. JMO MOO

I believe there is only between 12 and 19 days that he would have had to be with MB and home with DDeH the rest of the time. Remember the excuses he spins - to MB, his clandestine occupation and to DDeH, going to coin auctions or assaying coins (as per Mrs Flamme's rare coin.) IMOO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Oh yes I'd forgotten about the Florabella Natalia Marion Remakel drivers license with the sex listed as male.

 

[gymtonic]

I believe Marion did have a valid driver's license under FNMR

She cancelled the insurance on her car (assumed it was the insurance on the car)

Could she of possible had a savings account ???

You can become a member of Queensland’s largest club by holding one of these products*:

• RACQ Insurance (excluding CTP and travel insurance)
• RACQ Roadside Assistance
• RACQ Bank transaction and savings accounts, term deposits, home loans and personal loans
• RACQ Lifestyle subscription

The RACQ bank is much newer than 1997 and did not exist then. It was formed after a merger with QTMB more recently. RACQ membership in those days was much more likely to have just been a ”Roadside Assistance” service.
The list here is a current list and RACQ services were more limited in 1997. If anyone is interested a 1997 site appears on Wayback Machine. But in any case I have been a member of RACQ since 1983 and most people had the simple RA coverage through them until they started diversifying their services.

 

[MrsWattle]

View attachment 386548I believe there is only between 12 and 19 days that he would have had to be with MB and home with DDeH the rest of the time. Remember the excuses he spins - to MB, his clandestine occupation and to DDeH, going to coin auctions or assaying coins (as per Mrs Flamme's rare coin.) IMOO

EFFECTIVE DATE 14 /10/1994?
Can someone please tell me why that date is on it? Is that when the licence was made? It looks like a 5 year licence.
Did they have photos on QLD licences?

 

[brjakj]

I believe Marion did have a valid driver's license under FNMR

She cancelled the insurance on her car (assumed it was the insurance on the car)

Could she of possible had a savings account ???

You can become a member of Queensland’s largest club by holding one of these products*:

• RACQ Insurance (excluding CTP and travel insurance)
• RACQ Roadside Assistance
• RACQ Bank transaction and savings accounts, term deposits, home loans and personal loans
• RACQ Lifestyle subscription

I do wonder if it was cancelled when a new policy under fnmr was created? Has there been any mention of RACQ searches under the fnmr name?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Marion's story has now reached Turkey.
It's the same CNN story.

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