Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #17

[mishy66]

They have definitely bought houses over the years

Sure have

 

[Meligator]

@TootsieFootsie - I've told this story before. My first husband was an embezzler. We lived VERY well. I didn't know he embezzled, but I was always "uncomfortable" about our cash flow/wealth given his job as a stockbroker and a wine business he started. When it all collapsed during divorce, I wasn't surprised. All the signs were in front of me, and I felt like a fool. I admit, I had known always something wasn't right. As far as DdH, she knows they were not living on their pensions. She may believe all the extra income came from the coin business. But AKA's travels, their constant moving house, their children's expenses -- it doesn't add up to a pensioner's life. IMO if DdH doesn't KNOW, she knows. What I can't believe is that they stand by him while being presented with full evidence of his criminality. Once I knew my husband embezzled, I never could have defended him or remained silent.

Whatever the case, they know now. This is what feels unconscionable to me, with my experience.

Maybe she’s afraid of getting poisoned if she crosses him.

 

[mishy66]

Maybe she’s afraid of getting poisoned if she crosses him.

She doesnt look to afraid of him to me....

From the podcast where the neighbour spoke:

...."I never heard him violent towards Diane and that she seemed to be the dominant person in the marriage. She was VERY assertive and he doted on her.
The neighbour also says his son visited one day to his parents and Diane yelled at him after they left. She was not the meek wife".

 

[bbbounce]

Possibly. Finding Marion is first and foremost but here is a family who have lived and benefited off the proceeds of many innocent single women vulnerabilities with who knows what consequences to their well-being as we delve ever deeper into this miscreants shady life.

DdeH hasn’t worked for decades and hasn’t needed to. She knows why. The children’s upbringing was no doubt financed in large part from their father’s ‘activities’.

They could bring an end to this upset & misery by opening up to the authorities. Show they have a conscience and that their lives will not be judged by their father’s behaviour.

I really do hope they and anyone protecting them read the posts on here.

I’m not defending them. At the beginning of the inquest I thought maybe the wife was unknowing of his activities. But I fairly quickly changed my mind. I also think it to be highly unlikely the wife or the children will talk. I think purporting not to have known or benefited from his activity would be very hard to believe.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

YES he obviously knew someone saw them together when they first met in 1997.
Either Owen saw them at Marions house ( and of course AH would not have known about Owens death) or Marions friend saw him perhaps - or he knew Marion might thave told her friend about him - either way he was covering his tracks.

From the MB FB page:
The advert was published 12th Dec 1994 at the end of the school year, 3 yrs before she met Blum in 1997

So he met her at the arts centre maybe, while she was having a cuppa and pounced on her like a cat to a mouse with his french BS, swooning her.....

Poor Marion

This guy is the worst kind of human excrement.

I do believe Marion was telling the truth to Sally when she said she had met him at the Arts Centre (late 1996 or early 1997). IMO the Le Courier ad years earlier played no part whatsoever with Marion although it did become his Achilles heel which he must be regretting big time now.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

YES he obviously knew someone saw them together when they first met in 1997.
Either Owen saw them at Marions house ( and of course AH would not have known about Owens death) or Marions friend saw him perhaps - or he knew Marion might thave told her friend about him - either way he was covering his tracks.

From the MB FB page:
The advert was published 12th Dec 1994 at the end of the school year, 3 yrs before she met Blum in 1997

So he met her at the arts centre maybe, while she was having a cuppa and pounced on her like a cat to a mouse with his french BS, swooning her.....

Poor Marion

This guy is the worst kind of human excrement.

.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Oops double post. It’s the phone signal and not my stupidity. Honest!

 

[Ausabroad]

Can anyone tell me if any of the newspapers in Bali or other parts of Indonesia have picked up the story? He is a 'regular' there so maybe there are also women from there or traveling with him to there, who have gone missing or had their savings stolen.

 

[mishy66]

I do believe Marion was telling the truth to Sally when she said she had met him at the Arts Centre (late 1996 or early 1997). IMO the Le Courier ad years earlier played no part whatsoever with Marion although it did become his Achilles heel which he must be regretting big time now.

YES me also @Lord Peter Flimsy
His record shows he doesn't spend years grooming them - he pounces like a cat - he isn't about to risk anyone coming into contact with them as he sets his trap.

 

[insanity]

Can anyone tell me if any of the newspapers in Bali or other parts of Indonesia have picked up the story? He is a 'regular' there so maybe there are also women from there or traveling with him to there, who have gone missing.

Excellent question.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Can anyone tell me if any of the newspapers in Bali or other parts of Indonesia have picked up the story? He is a 'regular' there so maybe there are also women from there or traveling with him to there, who have gone missing.

I hope so. Saying that it’s been a real struggle to get this story reported widely across mainstream media in the UK which is annoying because the UK plays some role in his deception of his victims.

You would think a story that involves a ‘middle class’ teacher going missing after visiting and phoning from Royal Tunbridge Wells and wanting to go on the Orient Express on her European tour and the main suspect once lived with his family in very quiet and rural East Sussex would be a story they would instantly latch onto and want to tell.

You only have to look at the recent sad case of Nicola Bulley in the UK to see there is an eagerness to tell the story of a missing person in strange circumstances.

 

[bbbounce]

Being a pensioner, raising 2 children, buying and selling family homes, and being able to afford regular overseas travel isn't the

It was said plain and simple by their neighbour, DdeH was party to all he was doing, in the garage while they were viewing his 'coin making and bond certs' , asking the husband of neighbour if he knew anyone who had a coin press, she was standing there in conversations about his 'tall tales' ; different ones to what we all heard at the inquest with them .....and she was there when he asked the neighbours to sign the documents for his 'new' name.

And she didnt query all the house moves??

Nah, shes a player

Where does the info from their neighbour come from? Wasn’t at the inquest was it ?

 

[HinterlandObserver]

Where does the info from their neighbour come from? Wasn’t at the inquest was it ?

It was shared by the podcast.

 

[KiwiNZ]

I do believe Marion was telling the truth to Sally when she said she had met him at the Arts Centre (late 1996 or early 1997). IMO the Le Courier ad years earlier played no part whatsoever with Marion although it did become his Achilles heel which he must be regretting big time now.

Totally agree, I think the art centre was the link

Aside from the “AD” the police could have also located him a lot sooner via the remarkel driver licence had they bothered too look properly

 

[MrsWattle]

Totally agree, I think the art centre was the link

Aside from the “AD” the police could have also located him a lot sooner via the remarkel driver licence had they bothered too look properly

EXACTLY! His Remakel QLD drivers licence.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Totally agree, I think the art centre was the link

Aside from the “AD” the police could have also located him a lot sooner via the remarkel driver licence had they bothered too look properly

Yes yet another golden opportunity missed to nail this guy a lot sooner

 

[*juniper*]

I do believe Marion was telling the truth to Sally when she said she had met him at the Arts Centre (late 1996 or early 1997). IMO the Le Courier ad years earlier played no part whatsoever with Marion although it did become his Achilles heel which he must be regretting big time now.

I tend to agree with you that Marion most likely met RB around Feb 1997, as Marion told Sally. Except I keep remembering how ‘Charlotte’ described how RB had stayed in touch with her husband (RB’s cousin) over the years until her husband’s death in 2011. RB then took advantage of Charlotte’s vulnerability as a recent widow.

So I think there is the slight possibility that RB had contact with MB earlier, stayed in touch and picked a time when she was vulnerable due to her deteriorating work situation. MOO

ETA - he also targeted JO in a similar way, initiating contact with her when her property settlement & divorce were at the point of being finalised.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

So I think there is the slight possibility that RB had contact with MB earlier, stayed in touch and picked a time when she was vulnerable due to her deteriorating work situation. MOO

Maybe he was even the cause of the work situation that resulted in her leaving.
Perhaps he made a call to the school, starting rumours about her.

 

[mishy66]

Many WSleuths found a bunch of information on the Coppenolle /CAPPENALLE coins, antiquities and books which started way back in Feb 2022 I think it was.


A few artifacts and books to go with the coins

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/antiquities-roman-bronze-fibula-c-1st-century-5858-c-060e483d6e#

*Roman, bronze fibula, (c.1st century B.C.), length 28mm, with iron hinged fibula, complete, (Lucien Lerat 151-169). With partial green and has been professionally cleaned, fine - very fine, rare, comes with collector's card description.
Ex Coppenolle Collection and recovered from ditches of Alesia.

I couldn't imagine him digging for it

Lot 5846 - Antiquities - Sale 95 - Noble Numismatics

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Ex Cappenalle Collection and recovered from a Roman cemetery discovered near Antoing, Scheldt Valley in the French Belgian border region.

Probably dug up a gravesite

Lot 5844 - Antiquities - Sale 95 - Noble Numismatics

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right hand side has a list of his stock


Books he was selling - there are probs more

Lot 5125 - Literature - Numismatic - Sale 95 - Noble Numismatics

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Lot 5077 - Literature - Numismatic - Sale 95 - Noble Numismatics

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Lot 5079 - Literature - Numismatic - Sale 95 - Noble Numismatics

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Ex Coppenolle Collection. This book now out of print, a most extensive and important study on this period of Ch'ing dynasty cash. Originally a doctoral dissertation to the University of Munich. The author has observed minute variations in the general cash issues and from the original Chinese sources was able to establish a chronology on a yearly basis for all the mints for the Chinese rulers from 1616-1735. The second study completing the issues of cash to 1910 was never published.

Lot 1627 - World Gold Coins - Sale 126 - Noble Numismatics

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Ex Collection of Mgr. Franz Ernst von Salm- Reifferscheid (1698-1770), Bishop of Tournai (1731-1770); to the collection of the Abbot Georges Dufour, cure of the Parish of St.Piat in Tournai (died 1939) by descent; acquired by grandfather (died 1949) by succession then to the current collector's grandmother, Maria Coppenolle de Froyennes (died 1990).

Franz Ernst von Salm- Reifferscheid...?
He received the ordination to the priesthood on October 27, 1726. Salm-Reifterscheid was elected Bishop of Tournai. On March 23, 1732, he was ordained a bishop. He remained this until he died in 1770....Count François-Ernest de SALM-REIFFERSCHEID was linked by his double name to two equally illustrious families.




Abbot Georges Dufour .....???? Haven't been able to find a thing on Abbot.... anyone else find anything?

Found a Guillaume Henri Dufour - Guillaume-Henri Dufour, (born September 15, 1787, Konstanz, Austrian Empire [now in Germany]—died July 14, 1875, Les Contamines, near Geneva, Switzerland), engineer and army officer who was elected four times to supreme command of the Swiss army.... who had banknotes and coins commemorating him.

BUT there are a few interesting link to other Dufours who sound much more like someone / something AKA would align to / know of / family connection of /

DUFOUR André
born on November 22, 1920. After obtaining his Baccalaureate in Maths Elem, he intended for a military career and completed his preparation for the Military School of Saint-Cyr, but that closed due to war. He escapes from France and is imprisoned in Spain. He enlisted in Casablanca and took part in the fights for the liberation of France.

After the war, he worked as a sales representative and management controller for various companies. Placed under the sign of dedication and generosity, his life is that of a committed and courageous man. He was treasurer of the Amicale des Anciens of the 2nd D.B of SaintGermain-en-Laye. He was holder of the Croix de Guerre 39-45.

( there is more on this link to Dufour in relation to other people connected to the family)


And there is a Georges Dufour - who also seems to have a connection to the families associated to AKA

""Born in Verviers in 1913 and died near Liège in 2012, the Missionary of Africa - White Father - Georges Dufour had obtained his doctorate in pedagogical sciences at the age of 73. At that age, he had been a well-known pedagogue in Africa for many years already. Arriving in the Congo, he was appointed inspector in charge of education in Bukavu, a city located in the east of the country. But his life's work was the launching of a Catholic youth movement called Xaveri.
“The essence of Father Dufour's work is the implementation of an integral pedagogy starting from the social environment in which the person has flourished”, affirms the lawyer from Liège Bienfait Kalinda. “Education in Africa or in Europe is not at all the same thing. The disciplines learned at school must marry the local mold and respect the context in which they flourished, in this case the African context. This vision of Father Dufour was truly revolutionary. Father Georges Dufour also insisted that the courses be given in an international language, e.g. English or French. This should not be seen as a rejection of local languages. But he was convinced that the Congolese could thus communicate better and make a leap forward in the field of learning international languages.
The creation of the Xaveri movement occupied a special place in Father Dufour's pedagogy. "The classic model of the youth movement as we know it in Europe does not work in Africa", underlines Kalinda. “The first mission to teach is to learn collectively, for example teaching techniques such as building a bridge or making a fire. A second mission was essentially religious. Father Dufour understood that religion was an essential dimension among Africans. He tried to organize his pedagogy around these elements. Both aspects can be found in his motto: Charity always. »
The Xaveri youth movement is now active in seven African countries. Father Dufour died in a nursing home near Liège but his remains were transferred to Bukavu. A rare fact because it goes against today's missionary instructions which stipulate that the remains of missionaries be repatriated to their native country. When he died, tens of thousands of people came to pay their last respects to Father Dufour. “In Kivu, Father Georges Dufour is considered a saint because of his works of charity and his empathy,” says Bienfait Kalinda. He was a true missionary for Africa.""

Xaveri South Africa - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The patron of Xaveri South Africa is Saint Francis Xavier.

Africa.
Saints.
Thinking Saints have nothing to do with this saga? Think again.

 

[mishy66]

Where does the info from their neighbour come from? Wasn’t at the inquest was it ?

It was the podcast.