Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #18

[CuriousKat99]

I think it is useful as it gives some insight into the relationship with his wife.

Also in my opinion it's an insight into his character.

Someone who gets visibly angry, slamming cupboard doors, frightens people, hmmm...

Yes and very consistent with other eye witness testimonies of his behaviour.

 

[CuriousKat99]

Not sure this particular report is so useful. These so-called "unusual night-time habits" sound like a fairly generic nosey neighbour complaint in the English suburbs, where the neighbour is retrospectively over-thinking fairly meaningless things, perhaps egged on by a journalist. Maybe that's a bit strong, but it does seem a stretch to relate them to his known crimes and scams.

The neighbour did call the police and I doubt any journalist would have been involved at that time.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

“I kept thinking ‘He’s got something in those cupboards that I’m not meant to see’.

Perhaps a posh dinner set purloined from a previous victim.
I wonder if the neighbour had anything go missing from her house. Was he ever in there, even for a few minutes.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

Still can’t just place D in the victim column. She seems like an equally as masterful manipulator and comes from equally as dubious stock IMOO
In fact it’s the inconsistencies in reports of her behaviour that makes me more suspicious.
She’s the one adjusting the behaviour to position witnesses to think she’s scared, when other witnesses say she was certainly not.
Or maybe she realised what she had over him and started calling the shots? Maybe that’s when things went awry because his program changed with her involvement?
Who knows?
It just couldn’t have gone on for so long if she wasn’t facilitating it. All MOO.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I think it is useful as it gives some insight into the relationship with his wife.

Also in my opinion it's an insight into his character.

Someone who gets visibly angry, slamming cupboard doors, frightens people, hmmm...

And you would think the children being in the same household would have witnessed this behaviour as they were growing up. I do wonder what they both said at their respective Police interviews?

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Still can’t just place D in the victim column. She seems like an equally as masterful manipulator and comes from equally as dubious stock IMOO
In fact it’s the inconsistencies in reports of her behaviour that makes me more suspicious.
She’s the one adjusting the behaviour to position witnesses to think she’s scared, when other witnesses say she was certainly not.
Or maybe she realised what she had over him and started calling the shots? Maybe that’s when things went awry because his program changed with her involvement?
Who knows?
It just couldn’t have gone on for so long if she wasn’t facilitating it. All MOO.

Agree

There’s quite a number of years between UK and living next door to England.

Maybe she wasn’t happy and wanted to leave back then. But by the time they lived next door to Ingrid she had changed because of years of aiding him and his crap.

Or it was just a woman in UK trying to bond with another while their children played and perhaps not exactly truth.

Either way IMO she isn’t daft and is fully aware and to a degree been involved in the scams.

I won’t ever forget the comment in the inquest..

‘He didn’t have any big wins’

Naturally when we hear that we think of gambling.. but fraud and pulling off a scam/fraud could also be referred to as a ‘win’

 

[gymtonic]

And speaking of Kaleidoscopes and pieces shifting and coming together…Following the latest from the suspicious neighbour in Burwash I am drawn back again to AKA being part (even if a small bit player and useful idiot) of a bigger picture OC at that time.

The area around TW was (and still is I am assured by friends who live in the area) a magnet for London based crims to relocate to mansions « in the country ». I am reminded of the case of the high profile crim on the run (thought to have been in Australia for a time) who was eventually located at an Oast House Farm near Hastings. Stories that syndicates were protected by certain « sympathetic« LE were rife and could explain reports going nowhere.

Then there’s this link which recognises the centrality (current and historically) of Belgium Belgium: the crossroads of mafias - L'Eurispes in OC.

 

[lrb66]

I feel that the search for Marion and Marion’s legacy has been overwhelmed by the man of many names and decades and decades of crime. IMO.
What’s the best outcome we can hope for Sally in the search for her missing Mum?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I feel that the search for Marion and Marion’s legacy has been overwhelmed by the man of many names and decades and decades of crime. IMO.
What’s the best outcome we can hope for Sally in the search for her missing Mum?

Mr AKA is central to the search for Marion.

The more we know about his activities, the closer we'll be to finding out what happened to Marion.

 

[Procrastinator]

Was AKA's body language ever professionally analysed (or commented on previously?) when he was interviewed by the Police and asked specifically if he had done something to MB?

 

[Liselle]

I'm sure there are a lot of people who drive trucks picking up stuff overnight and/or delivering stuff to warehouses at night.

To be fair, but knowing what we know about him, it wouldn't be a surprise if it was something dodgy.

And……in the entire inquest proceedings, never heard RB describe himself (nor DdeH) as a truck/lorry driver!! Never mentioned!! Just that he used to catch the ferry (Dover to Calais?) over to France.

 

[mishy66]

Not sure this particular report is so useful. These so-called "unusual night-time habits" sound like a fairly generic nosey neighbour complaint in the English suburbs, where the neighbour is retrospectively over-thinking fairly meaningless things, perhaps egged on by a journalist. Maybe that's a bit strong, but it does seem a stretch to relate them to his known crimes and scams.

DOUBT IT.

VERY valuable information given by people who knew them in UK.

 

[mishy66]

I thought Aka was going away for a week at a time and coming back with the food shopping as part of his trip?

DONT believe a thing he says

food shopping lol

more like theft shopping

 

[centred]

I feel that the search for Marion and Marion’s legacy has been overwhelmed by the man of many names and decades and decades of crime. IMO.
What’s the best outcome we can hope for Sally in the search for her missing Mum?

That her mother Marion remarried , changed her name and lived a full and content life away from the shame and the intense spotlight ...IMO

 

[mishy66]

Or maybe she realised what she had over him and started calling the shots? Maybe that’s when things went awry because his program changed with her involvement?
Who knows?

 

[KiwiNZ]

like there isn't enough hurt and pain in this story ... why burden someone with this remark, indirectly blaming him for the death of Owen, so unnecessary, if I remember correctly Ray cared enough to give an interview to the podcast.

I have huge empathy for Marion but let's not paint her as a perfect person, she made the decision to rehome her son, most mothers it won't even be a choice. Plus none of us, including Sally who was a child, much less Alison .. knows what was going on at the time or how it all went down ..

I hate that people say things publicly that could have a real negative effect on someone .. including suicide .... what does saying what she said actually achieve ?

rant over

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

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I feel that the search for Marion and Marion’s legacy has been overwhelmed by the man of many names and decades and decades of crime. IMO.
What’s the best outcome we can hope for Sally in the search for her missing Mum?

The best outcome unfortunately isn’t going to happen finding Marion alive.

The second best outcome is finding the person responsible for her being missing and or her demise.

So IMO his history is vital. His lifelong patterns of scamming in particular regarding women are imperative justice us what is needed and without a body (god I hate saying that) then history and witnesses of his antics, are very much needed.

This is still about Marion.

And I believe eventually justice will be served. Let’s face it he’s broken enough laws to be deported already…

But that’s not what we want.

We want him and I’m sure all sleuths agree we want him ideally jailed for the rest of his life for the disappearance of Marion barter.

His assets frozen. His money frozen.

We want his song to his testicles squeezed so tight that balls end up in his throat.

Sorry but this dude does my head in.

JMO
iMO
Blah blah

 

[TootsieFootsie]

That her mother Marion remarried , changed her name and lived a full and content life away from the shame and the intense spotlight ...IMO

In my opinion, Marion had done nothing that she should have felt ashamed of.

And if there was a spotlight, like at the school, it was most likely manufactured by a certain someone.

Also Marion was not under an "intense spotlight"

But Mr AKA does seem to be. Just sayin'

 

[Procrastinator]

Was AKA's body language ever professionally analysed (or commented on previously?) when he was interviewed by the Police and asked specifically if he had done something to MB?

I've tried to find a link of the police interview with AKA but i gather it must have been shown at the inquest and therefore not available online? IDK if that's where i saw it? Any feedback to refresh my memory as to how to get a link?

 

[mishy66]

@Peralta as you would know, it is easy to look at things with hindsight.
"Also can @mishy66 remind us why we thought IK married in 1970 in Budapest, but MR is saying it was December 1971?"


It was actually discussed here long before I found WS if you do a search way back....and when I read back on so many theories by soooooo many WS, I too could tag people and ask them to remind us why they theorised on many things.

But to clarify your response given you tagged me, it has only been revealed that their marriage took place as recently as a few days ago and the fact that MJR was indeed a real person and not an alias used by AKA was only revealed late last yr by MBFB Page.

Like most of the theories pertaining to this case, we work on what we know at that given time with information that is shared.

I actually said that in 1969 / 1970 Ilona married in Budapest Hungary to MJReid because that is what is on her death cert .

SO we all know that doesnt sit with what has been revealed by MJR 2 days ago.