Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #21

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I do believe they lived on separate continents at one point. JMO but I think she knew of the MC affair and went back to Australia for a period of time, probably back to her family. Not that she divulged this info at the inquest.
Yes her travel cards certainly indicate this. Traveling back to Aust with a toddler while heavily pregnant for a couple of weeks then back over to give birth in a country where she had no family support.
 
Unless they were going to a different Bank teller each day it’s hard to fathom why a bank employee didn’t red flag this or at least ask whoever the person was withdrawing the cash (and I’m still not 100% convinced it was Marion herself) why not arrange for a larger sum to be withdrawn rather than visit every day?
Absolutely poor form from the bank. While whoever was withdrawing was entitled to with signature only - after a couple of weeks the tellers were surely thinking ‘this ain’t right’ It would’ve been evident looking at her bank book the continuous withdrawals every couple of days.

I’ve no doubt they would’ve been very sheepish once the police became involved knowing they’d failed bank procedures.

A catastrophic run of events that completely failed MB and her family. Tragic!
 
Absolutely poor form from the bank. While whoever was withdrawing was entitled to with signature only - after a couple of weeks the tellers were surely thinking ‘this ain’t right’ It would’ve been evident looking at her bank book the continuous withdrawals every couple of days.

I’ve no doubt they would’ve been very sheepish once the police became involved knowing they’d failed bank procedures.

A catastrophic run of events that completely failed MB and her family. Tragic!
Yes, unfortunately once those in authority stuff up, they put more effort into covering up their mistakes than fixing them.
 

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Unless they were going to a different Bank teller each day it’s hard to fathom why a bank employee didn’t red flag this or at least ask whoever the person was withdrawing the cash (and I’m still not 100% convinced it was Marion herself) why not arrange for a larger sum to be withdrawn rather than visit every day?
Yes the bank mysteries.

I agree with you Lord Peter. IF it was Marion she would have had the means to withdraw all her own money and even if she lost some money in bank fees to do so - after all if she was coming in to "get money to buy this school he spoke of", she wouldn't be wasting time hiding out for 3 months while she did all these withdrawals in small amounts, then a large transfer.
I have never known a bank to say no sorry you cant take all your money out at once, so go do it over weeks please.
She also states she was here for only 8 days, but there is no return flight?

This is part of one of the Bank Managers testimony :
At the time there were nine or 10 Colonial State branches across northern New South Wales and the Gold Coast, including Bryon Bay, Burleigh Heads, Southport, Tweed Heads and Lismore. He remembered her well. "As soon as I saw her photo I recognised her." We weren't a large branch.

We knew Marion well. We got to know her by sight.
To withdraw $5K at a time a customer would have to enter a branch as there were limits on ATM withdrawals.
If she was at another branch she would have to provide identification. And that would be through a passport or driver's license.

Her property sold and funds were put into a high performing interest account, but there was a restriction that only $5K could be withdrawn a day.

If the money was over $10,000 the information would be collected and passed on the file for review by the authorities.

He had no recollection of police from either Queensland or New South Wales getting in contact with him in 1997 /1998. Nor was he approached by the Salvation Army Family Tracing Unit. And was there was no security officer at Ashmore.

..........

And as the MBFB page said, Marion would have had her MB bankcard and change of name ID with her to eliminate the possibility of filling out bank forms - there was no bankbook.
( IF IT WAS HER - IMO he had all her MB documentation after he helped her pack)

So looking at this and knowing the deH living half hour from the area and there was a wait of 2 weeks to the withdrawing of 5K amounts by going to various NSW / QLD banks and almost 3 months all up to the final 80K on the GC, makes you wonder right.
SL didn't know about the 80K transfer until 2018 FOI, in G Childs notes - the very same file he said was lost 10 yrs earlier'


I'm still at a loss as to HOW the bank could have possibly phoned Marion to confirm it was her, given she had no home / phone!!!
 
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Jewish too I see

Reading this I am reminded of Dianes brother living in the US. His mother lived in Miami so it isn't that far from Ohio.
Did AH come across this Ric Blum in the States? or was he spoken about when the brother visited them in the UK?
When was the Blum name first used with Renov Pubs?
 
Jewish too I see

Reading this I am reminded of Dianes brother living in the US. His mother lived in Miami so it isn't that far from Ohio.
Did AH come across this Ric Blum in the States? or was he spoken about when the brother visited them in the UK?
Blum is a pretty common Jewish family name. It’s probably one of the reasons that he chose it: to fit in with his grandiose story.
 
Looking at these photos of the deH kids and trying to place a timeline on the dentist trip with their braces

From the few images we have found and posted here, to me it looks to be around 1992 / 1993

They look younger in it than the 1995 swim team group IMO

That would leave M at @11 /12 and D @ 13 /14

What was AH doing in 1992

* M age 11 and David age 13

* 10 trips from 1992 - Travelling on his false passport in name of Richard Lloyd Westbury

* he moved to Tasmania

*he attended Emiliennes funeral and caught up with some family at the funeral
( he also said at inquest the last time he saw MC was in 1980 - so unless she didn't go to her own sisters funeral, that is another lie)
I cant imagine him taking Diane and the kids to the family funeral to play happy families - his brother drove him to the airport straight after.


What was AH doing in 1993 - My pick is 1993
(the start of his ongoing JAL flights for the next few years)

*Feb 1993 - MdeH age 11 - at National Titles Perth

*April 1993 - MdeH age 12 and David age 14

* May 1993 - Belgium for 4 months – stopped at Japan Hotel Nikko
- Returned 9 June 1993



* Sept 1993 – Belgium for 3 months – stayed same hotel Nikko
returned 31 Oct –
(AH States he saw his family – "my cousins " "Aunt Lucy – and the daughter of my aunt", and "my cousin and my Aunt Maggio") - could have had a little family reunion

I dont put any weight on these people being his cousins or aunt - Maggio was his step mother IMO - ALTHOUGH he was placed in the care of an aunt when MC had her leg amputated so IT IS POSSIBLE this is Maggio and that would make complete sense to me IF he really was born to MC prior to her marriage to DD. He going to live with RC and MP would really make a lot of sense finally)



Lots of Trips during 1993 using JAL

Diane testified her last OS trip aside from M wedding was in 1986 -

Personally I just can not imagine for a second AH taking the kids OS by himself

JMO of course
 
Blum is a pretty common Jewish family name. It’s probably one of the reasons that he chose it: to fit in with his grandiose story.
Yes totally agree
It was also the surname of the woman who ran orphanage who had the son named Chaim

Although we now know he wasn't in any orphanage - he still may have known of this place given the war and RC working for the resistance.
Who knows. He chooses names that have multiple persons linked to any of his stories.

Such a creep
 
Yes totally agree
It was also the surname of the woman who ran orphanage who had the son named Chaim

Although we now know he wasn't in any orphanage - he still may have known of this place given the war and RC working for the resistance.
Who knows. He chooses names that have multiple persons linked to any of his stories.

Such a creep
It was probably much easier for him to remember all the lies when there was some connection to real people and events. Otherwise how on earth would you manage to navigate through more than 50 identities without collapsing into insanity.
 
When was the Blum name first used with Renov Pubs?
That is a good Q
He started it in 68 using WDC - his real name and purchased the property still linked to the business.
A sole trader that has been the only constant in his life - why - it has to be for multiple property ownerships or else using it for a cover to collect on illegal phoenix companies - so many links to other companies and names - thats my take on why he has still maintains it.
He changed the names leading up to the first inquest removing WDC and RB - leaving FdeH then reinstated the RB name again afterwards.
So many of us tried to find more on this.
It is weird.

You can still find the FdeH reference but the Enterprise Business link only shows RB now
 
Yes totally agree
It was also the surname of the woman who ran orphanage who had the son named Chaim

Although we now know he wasn't in any orphanage - he still may have known of this place given the war and RC working for the resistance.
Who knows. He chooses names that have multiple persons linked to any of his stories.

Such a creep
Also his ‘brothers’ surname of David is of Jewish origin. It’s a surname used in Hungary amongst other countries. I just can’t let the Hungarian Jewish link go!!

Did one of the witnesses say he was Jewish without him actually telling them? I apologise if I have that wrong. So much to remember in this case.
 
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