Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #21

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  • #821
I am looking forward to the Coroners findings in February and hoping it favours Sally's quest for her search for Marion. My brain has gone into overdrive again with all the possibilities of what might have happened.

I am wondering now if RB (AKA AH) bought both his and Marion's airline tickets, making sure they were not on the same day for one reason or another and earlier than first decided upon hence MB needing to bring forward her resignation date. Also, could it be that RB bought the airline ticket for Marion in the name of Florabella Natalia Marion Remakel forcing Marion to change her name before they left, telling her that they would be married anyway in Europe and she could still go by the name Marion Remakel by dropping Florabella & Natalia? She perhaps reluctantly changed her name then by deed poll.
Excellent insight — like he buying the ticket in the new name to impress MB with a BIG romantic gesture… surprise Florabella (pet-name) we are getting married!! But in reality, designed to make her disappear.
 
  • #822
Excellent insight — like he buying the ticket in the new name to impress MB with a BIG romantic gesture… surprise Florabella (pet-name) we are getting married!! But in reality, designed to make her disappear.
Perhaps yes. I don't see MB, by what I have read about her, as the type of person that would change her name to such an unusual one of her own accord but can see someone else coercing her to because of buying an airline ticket in that name (FNMR). Florabella was perhaps a pet name he used for her as you pointed out. If she had married RB believing him to be FR then she would become Marion Remakel and those two names are in her name change. Bringing forward the date of departure could have been a ploy by RB to throw a bit of urgency and panic with little time to think clearly about what is happening. Maybe she was embarrassed to explain to her family the name change and she could rectify that when she returned to Australia to just MR after the marriage so no need to make a big deal about it.
 
  • #823
I am looking forward to the Coroners findings in February and hoping it favours Sally's quest for her search for Marion. My brain has gone into overdrive again with all the possibilities of what might have happened.

I am wondering now if RB (AKA AH) bought both his and Marion's airline tickets, making sure they were not on the same day for one reason or another and earlier than first decided upon hence MB needing to bring forward her resignation date. Also, could it be that RB bought the airline ticket for Marion in the name of Florabella Natalia Marion Remakel forcing Marion to change her name before they left, telling her that they would be married anyway in Europe and she could still go by the name Marion Remakel by dropping Florabella & Natalia? She perhaps reluctantly changed her name then by deed poll.

I like your thinking - But I can not remember how you booked tickets in 1997 - did you need your passport to make the booking and issue a ticket ? my memory fails me !
 
  • #824
I like your thinking - But I can not remember how you booked tickets in 1997 - did you need your passport to make the booking and issue a ticket ? my memory fails me !
I’m pretty sure I booked international flights around the same time and you could book tickets without a passport. You only needed a passport once you got to the airport.
 
  • #825
Can't understand WHY a missing persons case is set up for private group anyway????.
Never known another missing persons case under a private banner - If it was me and my family member I would be sharing it with the world. One day, someone who knows something will see it on an open page to the world, not a closed group. Privately all they are getting are people who know the case backwards. Seems an odd thing to do.
Perhaps one benefit would be that members of a closed group can be more easily monitored? We know 'involved parties' often like to keep an eye on case developments. Theoretically, investigators could check if any member locations match Clark Hunter's location, for example. Or, if any of the witnesses who told police they weren't following the story are actually following the story.

Like the bank manager witness. Her sudden change in story after YEARS of "I don't know or remember anything", was bonkers. Hard to believe that despite many people sending her links to Marion's story over the years, she immediately deleted the messages without reading them. How did she know to delete them if she didn't read them? As if your interest wouldn't be piqued by stories of a customer vanishing after making bizarre withdrawals from the bank you manage? Particularly when the withdrawals didn't follow correct procedure. The whole thing stinks.

While I do believe RB acted alone (he's too narcissistic to play well with others), I do think he enticed/paid/blackmailed other people to help him at certain times.

I'm actually terrified for the February findings. I just hope they have enough to start laying charges on all the people involved. It will be hugely upsetting if all they have is 'Marion is deceased, we don't know how, due to a lack of body we have no evidence of foul play'.
 
  • #826
While I do believe RB acted alone (he's too narcissistic to play well with others), I do think he enticed/paid/blackmailed other people to help him at certain times.
<modsnip: not an approved source> He definitely used his female victims to carry out crimes. Eg JO was sent into the bookshop in Ballina to sell stamps while he hid around the back even though he knew the owner of the bookshop very well. GD-D was also used to deal with the coin dealer in Amsterdam after he had been marked as an “at risk” customer. Interestingly these women were just given individual tasks and they weren’t aware of how what they were being assigned to do fitted into the whole picture. So he was the mastermind and they were just pawns that he exploited.
 
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  • #827
I'm actually terrified for the February findings. I just hope they have enough to start laying charges on all the people involved. It will be hugely upsetting if all they have is 'Marion is deceased, we don't know how, due to a lack of body we have no evidence of foul play'.
Agree, surely if they had enough evidence, charges would already have been laid. On the positive side, a death certificate will unlock a lot of information that has been unavailable due to privacy laws, eg whether or not Marion filed a 96-97 tax return in Australia.The due date for that would have been 31 Oct 97. Also, there should be more detail from the optometrist visit in Grafton once the death cert is available.
 
  • #828
I’m pretty sure I booked international flights around the same time and you could book tickets without a passport. You only needed a passport once you got to the airport.
That is correct, early 1990's I was with a friend who booked her trip to Europe with a Travel Agent without Passport I asked at the time she said she only had to produce her Passport at the Airport. I remember a time in 1990's you could travel interstate on a Bus or Plane and not produce ID. Same for Hotel if you paid cash, you could use any name friends of mine booked into a Motel (They were married and having a romantic weekend) for a Giggle/saucey game, for a bit of spark in their marriage they paid with cash under a assumed name.
 
  • #829
The latest podcasts were interesting. Until now, I hadn't fully realised the hook RB used with MB. I get it now - she won the teaching award but at the same time was having difficulties at school, so he prayed on that vulnerability - if she moved to Europe, she could start her OWN SCHOOL! She didn't need the Old Boys and Glover. RB gave her confidence and encouraged her to fulfil her dreams. All she had to do was sell her house. Now more that ever, I do believe she came back to Australia to get the money to buy her school in Europe.
 
  • #830
The latest podcasts were interesting. Until now, I hadn't fully realised the hook RB used with MB. I get it now - she won the teaching award but at the same time was having difficulties at school, so he prayed on that vulnerability - if she moved to Europe, she could start her OWN SCHOOL! She didn't need the Old Boys and Glover. RB gave her confidence and encouraged her to fulfil her dreams. All she had to do was sell her house. Now more that ever, I do believe she came back to Australia to get the money to buy her school in Europe.
Wonder if there was a school, near Burwash, UK, where RB used to live with wife, that he showed her and spun some lie about it being for sale. Or maybe it WAS for sale. There were a lot of smaller family run schools around UK in those days, now many bought by big “corporate” school groups.
Hoping there is evidence enough for civil suits for victims to get some restitution- his wife and kids clearly still living off the thefts from his dastardly crimes.
 
  • #831
Wonder if there was a school, near Burwash, UK, where RB used to live with wife, that he showed her and spun some lie about it being for sale. Or maybe it WAS for sale. There were a lot of smaller family run schools around UK in those days, now many bought by big “corporate” school groups.
Hoping there is evidence enough for civil suits for victims to get some restitution- his wife and kids clearly still living off the thefts from his dastardly crimes.
She mentions the brochure for The Mead School in Tunbridge Wells in her first letter home within days of arriving in the UK. JMO but the school purchase was already on her mind. So many private schools was also mentioned by her.

In another postcard she did mention she could have worked as a relief teacher in a little village school. As I’ve mentioned before this is a little odd as she arrived in the UK near the end of the School Summer term (they normally break up mid-July onwards). Was she intending being in the UK in September?

Aka hadn’t lived in the UK for over a decade in 1997 so another question is would he risk being recognised in a village he once lived?

JMO but I wonder if he sold the story to Marion without her ever seeing the school she was supposedly buying? Or as the schools would have been shut by late July did they visit a school and he said this one is for sale and amazingly you have just enough money to buy it?
 
  • #832
Thinking about the inquest next year. Aka and his wife if involved will never confess IMHO. The only hope in my view is that their son & daughter will press them both in view of the overwhelming amount evidence of criminal behaviour to finally open up about what happened to Marion. I should think in his eyes lying to your children is a different ball game to lying to the Coroner’s Court.
 
  • #833
Thinking about the inquest next year. Aka and his wife if involved will never confess IMHO. The only hope in my view is that their son & daughter will press them both in view of the overwhelming amount evidence of criminal behaviour to finally open up about what happened to Marion. I should think in his eyes lying to your children is a different ball game to lying to the Coroner’s Court.
I hope you’re right but I’m not convinced that he wouldn’t lie to his own children.
 
  • #834
I imagine the aims of the inquest are :

~ do we have sufficient evidence and justification to believe M nor only disappeared but lost her life in 1997?

~ do we have sufficient evidence that RB was certainly directly linked to M’s disappearance?

~ do we have sufficient testimonies from RB to prove areas he has certainly lied and therefore his word means nothing legally?

~ do we have the legal right or sufficient grounds to investigate further as to whether RB possibly in fact murdered M?

Sadly IMO these things may be difficult to prove to a legal level re M but here’s hoping and also clearly for RB his nefarious conduct is known and would surely result in a variety of charges for all his frauds against various countries admin and international law.
 
  • #835
She mentions the brochure for The Mead School in Tunbridge Wells in her first letter home within days of arriving in the UK. JMO but the school purchase was already on her mind. So many private schools was also mentioned by her.

In another postcard she did mention she could have worked as a relief teacher in a little village school. As I’ve mentioned before this is a little odd as she arrived in the UK near the end of the School Summer term (they normally break up mid-July onwards). Was she intending being in the UK in September?

Aka hadn’t lived in the UK for over a decade in 1997 so another question is would he risk being recognised in a village he once lived?

JMO but I wonder if he sold the story to Marion without her ever seeing the school she was supposedly buying? Or as the schools would have been shut by late July did they visit a school and he said this one is for sale and amazingly you have just enough money to buy it?

Yes, there are all these hints about plans for teaching/buying a school in the UK. I agree that Marion did plan to purchase a school, because there has to be an irresistible con that would encourage her to withdraw her life savings from the high interest account on her return to Australia. (I think it was Marion who returned, but I accept it could have been someone else using her passport.)

But book-ending her letters & postcards talking about UK schools, Marion is claiming on her passenger cards that she is leaving Australia permanently, is a resident of Luxembourg & gives her usual occupation as home duties. She has changed her name. And she mentions none of this to her family and friends, even though she is in regular contact with them in the weeks before her departure.

JMO – I believe this contradictory information is a highly contrived smoke screen engineered by AKA, to try and hide Marion's movements & specifically her connection to him. Even the visit to the optometrist in Grafton is to distract us away from AKA and his home base around Ballina.

Sadly, I believe there was a point when AKA decided that Marion knew too much. Was this in May 1997 after she changed her name to FNMR, the link Joni found that has allowed us to go back in time and make the connection to AKA? Or did this happen while in the UK or after her return to Australia? Really hoping that Sally will get some answers in February.
 
  • #836
Joni spoke of finding newspaper stories of him as a child but still no mention of finding the story of his infamous ‘orse accident in the park.
 
  • #837
Maybe Mr AKA has come into some more money.

Perhaps since all this began he got a job and has been saving up to pay lawyers.
 
  • #838
Thinking about the inquest next year. Aka and his wife if involved will never confess IMHO. The only hope in my view is that their son & daughter will press them both in view of the overwhelming amount evidence of criminal behaviour to finally open up about what happened to Marion. I should think in his eyes lying to your children is a different ball game to lying to the Coroner’s Court.
Lord Peter
The kids couldn't care less about what happened to Marion IMO
That was brought home fairly early on when son DdeH replied to another victims email by saying he would sue her.

They've lived their life listening to their fathers BS as has Diane - remember what they neighbours said.

They've been brought up in an environment of lies, theft and narcissism but have managed to live a life fraternising with the rich & famous. Thats not a life that they are willing to let go of. IMO

Dianes sister and families would be the only ones who would come forward if anyone was to IMO

I believe an investigation into the Walkers deaths and who it was that actually filled out those forms would go a long way toward the sister coming forward to police.

Has AH stamp all over them.

And as Ive said previously, there is NO WAY Diane would let the kids go to Europe with him alone to get their teeth fixed..." Im CdeH godson" without her being there too.

YET she swore under oath her last OS trip was when they both returned to Aust after Maite was born, aside from the wedding in Bali of Maite.


A family of lying thieves


JMO
 
  • #839
Actually I was hoping to get more laughs out of my above post . :D

It was a post in jest, satire if you like :)

I should have added that the only job I thought he might have got was more scams in the works, though maybe his ability to ditch his victims might be a bit rusty and beyond him these days.
 
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