Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #22

[mishy66]

I have always assumed he travelled separately from his victims because he was often travelling under a different name and/or nationality than the victim knew him by. He will have given them a made-up reason. Other forms of ID could be used for day to day purposes, but at the airport only a passport will do. Travelling separately would avoid awkward conversations with border officers or being addressed by a different name that could alert the victim there is something fishy. JMO.

Totally

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

My issue with this is if you come in on a passport you have to leave on the same one, otherwise the passport you try to use would flag as never entering. My mother had this issue in the 80's in Aus, entering on a NZ passport and trying to leave on a UK one, her UK one didn't show she had entered Aus.

If the person was coming here for good it might work, or looking for an illegal way to get here to stay

But it would have served RB better if they had left again on it

Def it served him much better having a passport return.. proof Marion came back. Proof to whoever the heck police person who supposedly spoke to her on the phone when she said she wanted nothing to do with her family.
Everything IMO has been staged the post card about school prices..

Pfft I doubt very much Marion genuinely saw a school for a sale I suspect it was more dribble being fed to her.. if someone is blindly in love they believe..

But writing it on a postcard.. just adds more weight that the idea was her own..more proof

Everything has been proof.. and the biggest has been the return passport.

As most of you know I was ALWAYS in the Marion returned camp, and right at the minute I still lean towards that.. mainly because the risk of withdrawing the money using someone else is much greater than scamming Marion into doing it by her believing it was to buy a school and live her life with her new husband.

Sally has always said the arrivals card is Marion’s writing ?

When we look at patterns with woman after Marion yes he leaves them high and dry and loves leaving them overseas.. stranded, foreign country, no return tickets..

But what if this became a pattern that was adopted after a scam became too complicated.. I am being mindful of what I say due to obvious reasons.

Oh and hello everyone it’s been a while

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

Will someone refresh my memory? Is the only proof of Marion’s return the passenger card? And does the card indicate where she departed from to Australia?
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so many good theories here, I truly do not know what I believe now. It could be either She Returned or She Did Not Return.

 

[Kie22]

I know I am in the minority with her NOT returning to Australia but one of the reasons is because in this very complicated and twisted case, there have been many discrepancies with dates and times and information until of course more facts are revealed in the case.

The timing of calls home and flights with layovers just do not add up to me - she would have had only hours to organise flights, payment of flights and packing for her "8 days", cancelling her accommodation and trying to organise travel to Amsterdam for the flight back to Aust .... - between him leaving - what time did he actually fly out ?? to arrive back into Aust on 31st July ........and her card travelling back would only be hours -- if she was suspicious and following him home.

I keep going back to Marion calling Sally about the Thredbo disaster on 1st August, the day before her passenger card arrives into Australia and the 2 postcards with postmarks 7th and 30th August - both from Tunbridge Wells

Marion telling Sally about having tea with little old ladies and not sounding at all concerned about anything.
She is about to head to Amsterdam - "“EAGERLY LOOKING FORWARD TO VAN GOGH SUNFLOWERS REVISIT HOLLAND”
( he has made up some BS to keep her in UK and a trip to Amsterdam and the Orient is carrot IMO) and is having the time of her life >


The strand, Winchelsea postcard sent from Tunbridge Wells 7 August 1997
(she is back in Tunbridge Wells where she started, now without him so is having to do things on her own - IMO)

To her sister: .......hope you and the family are well. I’m having a ball. England is so beautiful and so much to see, do, explore, learn, eat and op shops galore. I say to myself ...? Good bargains too. It's sad because I can’t possibly buy one more thing. Talk about shop till you drop. I’m totally in my element. Beautiful gardens, weather been fine, Wearing shorts. Delayed my Orient trip till late August, first available rebooking due to earlier rain and floods in Germany. I don’t want to leave The UK just yet. Heaps of private schools. Could’ve had a job at a local village school, relief but not ready yet. Lovely families in old oast houses I’ve stayed with and b&bs.
Meet a Dutch dentist and a lady called Maz. Love you heaps M

To me she has delayed her trip on the Orient because HE TOLD HER there were floods = it gave him room to move and head back to Australia the week before without her questioning him.

Last card posted from Tunbridge Wells dated 30 August 1997 to family - 4 weeks after passenger card arrives back
This was from Marion's fathers notes, sent to the Salvation Army family tracing service.
Inquest confirms that postcards were dated after passport returned.

IMO MB never came back into Australia. She had NO idea what he was doing and was on his way back to Australia.

I know many sleuths believe these PCards were sent by hotel etc a week or two later and that was why they had the postmarks after her passenger card came in BUT I believe it was Marion herself, keeping herself occupied with sight seeing and continuing her correspondence with her loved ones, NOT knowing what he was doing.

I also believe he came back to the UK and threatened her and/or her family as a way to keep her quiet and met her demise by him much much later.

Totally agree that's possible. Did she return or not? I'm open either way, but I'm leaning towards this:

One thing we know for sure is that her correspondence wasn't telling the whole - or even half - the truth of what was going on. The omissions are glaring. I haven't read all letters/postcards so can't really comment but, to me the postcard to her sister sounds almost too perfect, like a superficial smiling social media image.

She might have been dizzy in love and enchanted by the thought of a new life, but we know he behind the scene he was controlling her every move. I'm not convinced it was all roses. I believe deep inside she knew things weren't right, which was why she was making sure she stayed in touch with family and friends, trying to leave little clues along the way.

I think she was isolated, vulnerable & desperate to hold on to her dream but also feeling uneasy and afraid to confide in anyone. She was also being gaslighted right, left and centre and probably didn't even trust her own judgment anymore.

Also, who cancelled the roadside assistance in the week after the passport returned? Yes, it could have been RB tying up loose ends in an effort to show she was cutting all ties before returning to Europe. But, if he or an accomplice went to that level of detail wouldn't they also make sure the passport left again to prove that's what she did, or why bother?

IMO she was coerced back by a sudden dramatic change of plan, or she followed him to allay her fears.

Obviously I could be wrong!!!!

Either way, it's so, so sad.

 

[KiwiNZ]

Will someone refresh my memory? Is the only proof of Marion’s return the passenger card? And does the card indicate where she departed from to Australia?
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so many good theories here, I truly do not know what I believe now. It could be either She Returned or She Did Not Return.

So far only proof is the passenger card, departed Korea

I am going to add cancelling car insurance cause who other than Marion would do that ?. We are told it was cancelled by her but could there be another explaintion like it lapsed ?

I am in the Marion returned camp but only just lol

 

[Carovb5]

I know I am in the minority with her NOT returning to Australia but one of the reasons is because in this very complicated and twisted case, there have been many discrepancies with dates and times and information until of course more facts are revealed in the case.

The timing of calls home and flights with layovers just do not add up to me - she would have had only hours to organise flights, payment of flights and packing for her "8 days", cancelling her accommodation and trying to organise travel to Amsterdam for the flight back to Aust .... - between him leaving - what time did he actually fly out ?? to arrive back into Aust on 31st July ........and her card travelling back would only be hours -- if she was suspicious and following him home.

I keep going back to Marion calling Sally about the Thredbo disaster on 1st August, the day before her passenger card arrives into Australia and the 2 postcards with postmarks 7th and 30th August - both from Tunbridge Wells

Marion telling Sally about having tea with little old ladies and not sounding at all concerned about anything.
She is about to head to Amsterdam - "“EAGERLY LOOKING FORWARD TO VAN GOGH SUNFLOWERS REVISIT HOLLAND”
( he has made up some BS to keep her in UK and a trip to Amsterdam and the Orient is carrot IMO) and is having the time of her life >


The strand, Winchelsea postcard sent from Tunbridge Wells 7 August 1997
(she is back in Tunbridge Wells where she started, now without him so is having to do things on her own - IMO)

To her sister: .......hope you and the family are well. I’m having a ball. England is so beautiful and so much to see, do, explore, learn, eat and op shops galore. I say to myself ...? Good bargains too. It's sad because I can’t possibly buy one more thing. Talk about shop till you drop. I’m totally in my element. Beautiful gardens, weather been fine, Wearing shorts. Delayed my Orient trip till late August, first available rebooking due to earlier rain and floods in Germany. I don’t want to leave The UK just yet. Heaps of private schools. Could’ve had a job at a local village school, relief but not ready yet. Lovely families in old oast houses I’ve stayed with and b&bs.
Meet a Dutch dentist and a lady called Maz. Love you heaps M

To me she has delayed her trip on the Orient because HE TOLD HER there were floods = it gave him room to move and head back to Australia the week before without her questioning him.

Last card posted from Tunbridge Wells dated 30 August 1997 to family - 4 weeks after passenger card arrives back
This was from Marion's fathers notes, sent to the Salvation Army family tracing service.
Inquest confirms that postcards were dated after passport returned.

IMO MB never came back into Australia. She had NO idea what he was doing and was on his way back to Australia.

I know many sleuths believe these PCards were sent by hotel etc a week or two later and that was why they had the postmarks after her passenger card came in BUT I believe it was Marion herself, keeping herself occupied with sight seeing and continuing her correspondence with her loved ones, NOT knowing what he was doing.

I also believe he came back to the UK and threatened her and/or her family as a way to keep her quiet and met her demise by him much much later.

I think you might not be the minority but the ones posting possible jane does or scenario’s were brushed off when they mentioned. I, for one, re happy there’s a lot more people in our camp now i hope it will concince some people to put her dna in European databases! It’s needed. Even IF she’s somewhere in Australia, it’s important to rule her out of being a jane doe!

 

[KinseyFan]

I keep thinking of what the Barrister (?) representing the police said at the last inquest. Basically laying blame on Sally for not reporting her Mum as missing, when she went in to cop station to report her Mum missing.
Not sure if it’s in the Coroners remit- but I’m hoping she comes down hard on those in positions of power / those authorities who let Sally and Marion down, causing catastrophic consequences.
The police, the bank, Centrelink, border control / immigration - all of them.
Marion missing - presumed dead, Owen dead-thinking his Mum intentionally abandoned him as advised by the police, Sally spending decades being told her Mum didn’t want anything to do with her, the family estrangement and trauma, the missing family heirlooms, etc.
And dear Marion was only one of many victims.
This is just my opinion, based on information shared in the Lady Vanishes podcast and the last coroners inquest.

 

[Procrastinator]

Re-posting an old post (Mar 25, 2022 #621) by @Peralta regarding aliases ...

"I finally found the timestamp of when aliases were read out to DdH.
I've updated the list with new additions or clarifications in pink. Also thanks to @chicken96 's list.

Full alias list
NSW Police are aware of over 30 aliases linked to RB, nationally and internationally.
Source: Inquest Day 6, 35mins and NAA file

Willy Coppenolle
Willy David Coppenolle
Willy Wouters
Wouters Willy

David Fredy
Fredy David
Ricky David

Frederick David de Hedervary
Frederick Dehedervary (no space after 'de')
Frederick De Hedervaru (ends in U instead of Y)
Frederike De Hevedervary (female spelling)
Francis David de Hedervary

Chaim Frederick David Dehedervary
Chaim de Hedervary
Chaim Frederick David
Chaim David

Richard Lloyd West
Richard Westbury
Richard Lloyd Westbury
Ric West
Ric Richard
Ric Blum

Fernand Nocolas Remakel
Roger Lauzoney
Roger Lazoney

Bernard Dupont (RB claims it’s his friend)
Christopher Dupont
Atilla / Urtilla Dupont

Tony Grecca
Anthony Grech

Christopher Stein
Fleming (last name)
Wilson (last name)
Charles Guyon / Geaton
Gaeton Le Brousko
Frank Melon
Remy Lajoie

Zabdeel Zilly / Zadil Zwilling
Guy de Vio / de Veo
Phillipe Dent / Yeleek Dint "

Australia - Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #11

I finally found the timestamp of when aliases were read out to DdH. I've updated the list with new additions or clarifications in pink. Also thanks to @chicken96 's list. Full alias list NSW Police are aware of over 30 aliases linked to RB, nationally and internationally. Source: Inquest Day 6...

www.websleuths.com

 

[Baby baby Jane]

So far only proof is the passenger card, departed Korea

I am going to add cancelling car insurance cause who other than Marion would do that ?. We are told it was cancelled by her but could there be another explaintion like it lapsed ?

I am in the Marion returned camp but only just lol

I was thinking back to the old days - paying with Cheques. These days the insurance is all automatic renewals and automatic scheduled pay. Possible she had this policy and it lapsed, no cheque payment, no renewal. She could have been paying quarterly, six-monthly …

 

[mishy66]

Will someone refresh my memory? Is the only proof of Marion’s return the passenger card? And does the card indicate where she departed from to Australia?
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so many good theories here, I truly do not know what I believe now. It could be either She Returned or She Did Not Return.

Those incoming and out going passenger cards have so many errors on them.

QUESTION is WHY would Marion put Luxembourg on both cards ? Did she know him as FR living in Lux, when they met ?

Personally I don't think she did put Lux on either card. She had NO idea about Luxembourg and his connection IMO.


It was confirmed by SL that some of the writings on both passenger cards were from MB. That is all that was confirmed - some of the writing was MB. They had a forensic analysis look at passenger cards, the postcards and letters and they couldn't confirm either way.

At the inquest Home Affairs gave evidence that it could have been customs or airline official correcting the cards in regard to the countries crossed out too. It was agreed that it was someone else's hand writings.

Confirmed that her name, nationality, country of birth and birthdate do look to be the same on both cards as per FB page and inquest.




Outgoing flight - "MB left Australia from Brisbane airport on Korean Air Flight 814 to Sth Korea, departing at 11pm at night. The flight arrived at 8am 23rd June 1997. Gimbo airport was Korean Air’s hub airport back then & passengers could transfer to over 80 destinations. Korean Air flew direct to Heathrow from there, not via Narita.... They only flew via Narita to destinations in the Americas." MB FB page

Variations on cards:
1. Outgoing card - her age in different hand writing - why say she is 52 when she is really 51 - NO woman would say they are older than they are - IMO -
2. Europe is crossed out and luxembourg is written instead - ONLY it is spelt as Luxemburg - was this done later?
3. England is crossed out and S Korea written - airport official



1. Incoming card -

It was confirmed on the FB page and then on podcast, that incoming flight CX103 left Amsterdam, with a few hours layover in Hong Kong before arriving into Brisbane - A long 9 hour Cathay Pacific Flight from Hong Kong.

Passport number is the same one - ONLY filled out by someone else - WHY would MB, a teacher who was sitting on a long flight NOT fill out her own passport number IF she had already done her name, nationality, country of birth and birthdate ...? Even if she was tired, had her passport in her handbag tucked under the seat etc etc, she had plenty of time to fill that out on her layover in Hong Kong then her 9 hr flight into Australia.


2. Country of residence - Luxembourg - spelt correctly now - she couldn't have been a resident because she wasn't born there, nor was her 'new husband' and she would have been in Amsterdam at the time of her departure, having just left the UK! ( for those that think she did fly home)

3. Married and Home Duties - a week earlier she was telling her family about "how cheap schools were to buy" and that she could have had some relief work at a school. - She wouldn't be writing married and home duties a day later!
IMO this was filled out during her time with AH, thinking that one day she will be marrying a prince and living in a castle ONLY he was a toad and she is still no where to be found.

4. She isn't a visitor to Australia but a Resident of Australia - why was that box ticked.

5. Novotel spelt incorrectly on card - The Novotel is also used by Cathay Pacific crew and ground staff .
It is ALSO the hotel chain where AH asked ER to meet him while in Melbourne
It is ALSO connected to Lille - the very first Novotel opened in Lille in 1967 - the SAME Lille where he told JO he was bashed and in hospital AND the same Lille where he was in prison.
He knows the Novotel chain well !
Novotel morphed into the Accor group in 1983, and Novotel remained a pillar brand of Accor's multi-brand strategy.
( Accor, a big player in this story - GC even worked for them - funny that! )

6. Signature on incoming card matches her signature for passport application


It was confirmed at inquest that AH collected cards and pre filled them 'for convenience' and held onto them.

He got her to prefill some of the cards and held onto them.

JMO

 

[mishy66]

I was thinking back to the old days - paying with Cheques. These days the insurance is all automatic renewals and automatic scheduled pay. Possible she had this policy and it lapsed, no cheque payment, no renewal. She could have been paying quarterly, six-monthly …

In May 1997 MB car was transferred to SL
The RACQ was just for road assistance not car insurance.
If it hadn't been cancelled then SL could have still used it for Road Assist until June 1998

MAYBE it was cancelled because someone thought the RACQ would be linked to her NEW license and it was cancelled to hide that fact......? Given the car was now in SL name

IMO this convo came up between AH and MB in that the car was now in SL name.

IMO AH or his right arm accomplice called RACQ with MB details and cancelled it so it wouldn't be associated with the license name change that used the SAME initials as HIS pal in Lux BECAUSE things were about to go down in NSW with MB accounts very soon. Removing ALL trace of him and MB connection - or so he thought.
He forgot about the 1994 paper ad though !

The thing is that in QLD ONLY the car is registered with RACQ assist - NOT the person like in NSW - so it doesnt matter who is driving the car = SALLY would have been covered for road assist until the following year AND MARION LIVING IN QLD would know this - BUT HE WOULDNT!


It is this RACQ cancellation and the Medicare usage that was his game plan to show proof of MB in Australia should family come looking .

JMO of course

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I have always assumed he travelled separately from his victims because he was travelling under a different name (pseudonym) and/or nationality than the victim knew him by. I have also always assumed he has at least one Belgian passport, used to enter any EU country, including UK at that time. He will have given them a made-up reason for the separate travel. Other forms of ID could be used for day to day purposes, but at the airport only a passport will do. Travelling separately would avoid awkward conversations with border officers or being addressed by a different name that could alert the victim there is something fishy. JMO.

Also, travelling separately would be a great idea if at any point in time Interpol or any authority from a relevant jurisdiction could ask you to step to one side because they're either actively searching for you or have some very awkward questions indeed about your paperwork or travels.

Having a 'mark' in tow would become rather difficult indeed. Is this your wife? We need to ask her a few questions please... oh no it's not his wife after all but just someone with a very bizarre name and whole load of strange documentation and an even stranger story about how they're going to buy a school in England and then off to live in Luxembourg but nobody knows where she is because it's all under wraps due to his job in Secret Services...

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Regarding handwriting.

When I was a child, I was quite the expert at copying things and became a school note forger. I was considered gifted and exceptional in certain ways artistically and visually, almost 'savant' you could say. Anyhow by the age of 11, I was able to write excuse notes for the kids at school. Mostly so they could evade a sports lesson or bunk off an afternoon. I had my techniques of perfecting any style of handwriting and also it was just basic stuff like make sure you bring me a piece of your parents' usual notepaper sort of thing. I did that for years. I never once got caught and nobody ever suspected a thing. Thankfully, beyond this childhood issue, I never took up a criminal career.

I can assure anyone reading this that I can copy your handwriting or signature and you're gonna look at it and confirm 'yep, that's my writing'. Nobody would be able to tell the difference. I'm even looking at the weight and pressure you press onto the paper and where your marks sit above and below the line, the basics of how you write - the style and font and foibles and squiggles and dots and crosses and flicks and twists... that's so easy.

What I'm trying to say is, copying writing isn't actually that difficult for anyone who has a flair for it and if you're doing it deliberately to fool people then it's not rocket science. Nobody in forensics is going to be able to say unless they're checking for fingerprints, DNA, or having the ink specially analysed.

What I would look for in the passenger cards is if they've been deliberately made to look like different people wrote them out, for example, did the exact same person write 'Luxembourg' and 'Luxemburg' and deliberately spell it incorrectly? Most people will consistently incorrectly spell a word. Most school teachers will know how to spell Luxembourg. Mr AKA sure as heck knows how to spell it. So... Marion didn't write it but did AKA write it twice differently to make it look as if he didn't do it? Or do airline staff sometimes fill out the location after a whole pile of people have unboarded and handed in the stub without filling out anything except their name and the date? Perhaps airline staff aren't the best at spelling Luxembourg?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Also, I'm gonna say this.

I think Mr AKA *pathalogically* writes incorrect details in all circumstances on all documents because it's learned trained habit.

So, even if he checks in a hotel with a passport, he's going to fill out the reception registration form with spelling discrepancies from the actual supporting passport. Just because it's what he does, for fun. By the time he's ordering room service he's using a different name again and twice departed from the passport. Just because it's what he does, for no reason. It's all part of the smoke and mirrors and evasive personality disorder he's got.

If he's filling out a car rental registration he's spelling his name different on the rental document to the insurance document and different again to the way it's written on his licence. Just because it's what he does. That's how he operates all day every day. Adding and removing vowels, running names together, putting spaces, inventing middle names and initials, changing gender even. No explicable reason except to create a plethora of different identities.

Then one day someone somewhere else asks for a copy of ID and he says oh I don't got my wallet but shows them the car rental insurance paperwork from last month and they issue him a permit for entering a casino in that name and next up he's using that to evidence his identity for a book store loyalty account and they give him a little card for his wallet and on and on it goes... he's got a whole wallet of bits of paper in some name that sure isn't his. All day every day for 60 years. And that's not even involving the big stuff, the passports, drivers licences, birth certificates, tax papers, bank statements.

JMO MOO

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Totally agree that's possible. Did she return or not? I'm open either way, but I'm leaning towards this:

One thing we know for sure is that her correspondence wasn't telling the whole - or even half - the truth of what was going on. The omissions are glaring. I haven't read all letters/postcards so can't really comment but, to me the postcard to her sister sounds almost too perfect, like a superficial smiling social media image.

She might have been dizzy in love and enchanted by the thought of a new life, but we know he behind the scene he was controlling her every move. I'm not convinced it was all roses. I believe deep inside she knew things weren't right, which was why she was making sure she stayed in touch with family and friends, trying to leave little clues along the way.

I think she was isolated, vulnerable & desperate to hold on to her dream but also feeling uneasy and afraid to confide in anyone. She was also being gaslighted right, left and centre and probably didn't even trust her own judgment anymore.

Also, who cancelled the roadside assistance in the week after the passport returned? Yes, it could have been RB tying up loose ends in an effort to show she was cutting all ties before returning to Europe. But, if he or an accomplice went to that level of detail wouldn't they also make sure the passport left again to prove that's what she did, or why bother?

IMO she was coerced back by a sudden dramatic change of plan, or she followed him to allay her fears.

Obviously I could be wrong!!!!

Either way, it's so, so sad.

Agree with gaslighting and isolated and most likely a tiny voice inside saying something is off.

I think the postcards and letters though were just her keeping in touch with family..as they would’ve expected to hear from her.

It’s the last call that’s weird I’ll be travelling around you won’t hear from me for a while.. well she was already travelling around and was keeping in touch.. right?

So that phone call IMO was because she was already half way home to return due to a dramatic change in plans..or elisving money was needed now.

And yes who cancelled the car roadside..and why bother if it wasn’t Marion. It would’ve lapsed anyway.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Those incoming and out going passenger cards have so many errors on them.

QUESTION is WHY would Marion put Luxembourg on both cards ? Did she know him as FR living in Lux, when they met ?

Personally I don't think she did put Lux on either card. She had NO idea about Luxembourg and his connection IMO.


It was confirmed by SL that some of the writings on both passenger cards were from MB. That is all that was confirmed - some of the writing was MB. They had a forensic analysis look at passenger cards, the postcards and letters and they couldn't confirm either way.

At the inquest Home Affairs gave evidence that it could have been customs or airline official correcting the cards in regard to the countries crossed out too. It was agreed that it was someone else's hand writings.

Confirmed that her name, nationality, country of birth and birthdate do look to be the same on both cards as per FB page and inquest.




Outgoing flight - "MB left Australia from Brisbane airport on Korean Air Flight 814 to Sth Korea, departing at 11pm at night. The flight arrived at 8am 23rd June 1997. Gimbo airport was Korean Air’s hub airport back then & passengers could transfer to over 80 destinations. Korean Air flew direct to Heathrow from there, not via Narita.... They only flew via Narita to destinations in the Americas." MB FB page

Variations on cards:
1. Outgoing card - her age in different hand writing - why say she is 52 when she is really 51 - NO woman would say they are older than they are - IMO -
2. Europe is crossed out and luxembourg is written instead - ONLY it is spelt as Luxemburg - was this done later?
3. England is crossed out and S Korea written - airport official



1. Incoming card -

It was confirmed on the FB page and then on podcast, that incoming flight CX103 left Amsterdam, with a few hours layover in Hong Kong before arriving into Brisbane - A long 9 hour Cathay Pacific Flight from Hong Kong.

Passport number is the same one - ONLY filled out by someone else - WHY would MB, a teacher who was sitting on a long flight NOT fill out her own passport number IF she had already done her name, nationality, country of birth and birthdate ...? Even if she was tired, had her passport in her handbag tucked under the seat etc etc, she had plenty of time to fill that out on her layover in Hong Kong then her 9 hr flight into Australia.


2. Country of residence - Luxembourg - spelt correctly now - she couldn't have been a resident because she wasn't born there, nor was her 'new husband' and she would have been in Amsterdam at the time of her departure, having just left the UK! ( for those that think she did fly home)

3. Married and Home Duties - a week earlier she was telling her family about "how cheap schools were to buy" and that she could have had some relief work at a school. - She wouldn't be writing married and home duties a day later!
IMO this was filled out during her time with AH, thinking that one day she will be marrying a prince and living in a castle ONLY he was a toad and she is still no where to be found.

4. She isn't a visitor to Australia but a Resident of Australia - why was that box ticked.

5. Novotel spelt incorrectly on card - The Novotel is also used by Cathay Pacific crew and ground staff .
It is ALSO the hotel chain where AH asked ER to meet him while in Melbourne
It is ALSO connected to Lille - the very first Novotel opened in Lille in 1967 - the SAME Lille where he told JO he was bashed and in hospital AND the same Lille where he was in prison.
He knows the Novotel chain well !
Novotel morphed into the Accor group in 1983, and Novotel remained a pillar brand of Accor's multi-brand strategy.
( Accor, a big player in this story - GC even worked for them - funny that! )

6. Signature on incoming card matches her signature for passport application


It was confirmed at inquest that AH collected cards and pre filled them 'for convenience' and held onto them.

He got her to prefill some of the cards and held onto them.

JMO

Strong Mishy very strong.. you’re gonna sway me o can feel it lol

 

[mishy66]

Also, I'm gonna say this.

I think Mr AKA *pathalogically* writes incorrect details in all circumstances on all documents because it's learned trained habit.

So, even if he checks in a hotel with a passport, he's going to fill out the reception registration form with spelling discrepancies from the actual supporting passport. Just because it's what he does, for fun. By the time he's ordering room service he's using a different name again and twice departed from the passport. Just because it's what he does, for no reason. It's all part of the smoke and mirrors and evasive personality disorder he's got.

If he's filling out a car rental registration he's spelling his name different on the rental document to the insurance document and different again to the way it's written on his licence. Just because it's what he does. That's how he operates all day every day. Adding and removing vowels, running names together, putting spaces, inventing middle names and initials, changing gender even. No explicable reason except to create a plethora of different identities.

Then one day someone somewhere else asks for a copy of ID and he says oh I don't got my wallet but shows them the car rental insurance paperwork from last month and they issue him a permit for entering a casino in that name and next up he's using that to evidence his identity for a book store loyalty account and they give him a little card for his wallet and on and on it goes... he's got a whole wallet of bits of paper in some name that sure isn't his. All day every day for 60 years. And that's not even involving the big stuff, the passports, drivers licences, birth certificates, tax papers, bank statements.

JMO MOO

yep, all in his filing cabinet that his neighbours talked about

He flies in on various passports but uses other means of ID in what ever country he is in doing his dirty work.

I do remember him saying at the inquest too when AC talks about Renov Pubs, " SOMEONE HAS STOLEN MY NAME!"
and....
that early on he was introduced to someone in Belgium who knew how to create fake documents..... RC is my guess!

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Someone has stolen my name was the best bit of the Inquest.

Ranking in my top three moments with 'I thought she was my best friend in the whole world' and the reading out of 'a song in a man's testicles'.

 

[mishy66]

Strong Mishy very strong.. you’re gonna sway me o can feel it lol

You make me laugh hee hee
Not trying to sway anyone as you know.
Just putting up my thoughts and trying to stay within the realms of some logic.
I think over the years there has been so many blurred lines and unfounded theories with incorrect dates and information and as time has moved along with more concrete info coming out of the SL team, the other victims and Inquest, things just look more and more clearer to me as to what happened to Marion.
I still believe he killed her, just not during the time of the incoming card and months of withdrawing her funds etc.
He had the money - the woman wasn't in the country and she had no idea what he was doing.


I think he bought that car to move Marions goods throughout the NSW coastal towns of antique dealers - the ones we researched - in case the family car Diane drove was documented in any shifty sales - and that is why it was eventually passed onto the kids because he got away with it. AND to use it for when he withdrew funds from MB accounts
I dont think for a minute he had MB body in it.

I still think he went back when the sting was done and threatened MB and she never came home

They need to get Diane on that stand.

JMO of course

 

[mishy66]

Someone has stolen my name was the best bit of the Inquest.

Ranking in my top three moments with 'I thought she was my best friend in the whole world' and the reading out of 'a song in a man's testicles'.

And when shown the letter AC says to him, " take a moment " -
THAT was Number 1 in my opinion. AC had him choking lol