Found Deceased Australia - Melissa Caddick, 49, Sydney, NSW, 12 Nov 2020 #6

[Trooper]

It doesn't necessarily follow that the payments, by the ex, to Melissa, for the kid were done thru Child Support. Lots of people don't go that route.

My point, originally, if I can remember my own points I once held, were, that it seemed that the ex stopped all monies from him for the kid in Nov, and theoretically, I propose, he wasn't going to give any money to Anthony to support the child, he obviously was going to deal with the kids expenses himself. Not thru any third party.

Yet., .. in their submission to the judge adjudicating, the plaintiffs, AK and AG outlined various expenses, of a rather high nature, ..which were summarily dismissed.

I found all that filigree interesting. It may signify nothing whatsoever, but what I came away with was, apart from AK and AG and their abysmal press conference, and apart from Mick Fuller, the Comm of Police, NSW , who's rather laid back pronouncements all thru this ordeal have been somewhat baffling, and didn't give a lot of confidence in any of them, those "looking for her ' and those left behind, , it seemed to me that the ex didn't think she was coming back either, one way or the other.

 

[SouthAussie]

It doesn't necessarily follow that the payments, by the ex, to Melissa, for the kid were done thru Child Support. Lots of people don't go that route.

My point, originally, if I can remember my own points I once held, were, that it seemed that the ex stopped all monies from him for the kid in Nov, and theoretically, I propose, he wasn't going to give any money to Anthony to support the child, he obviously was going to deal with the kids expenses himself. Not thru any third party.

Yet., .. in their submission to the judge adjudicating, the plaintiffs, AK and AG outlined various expenses, of a rather high nature, ..which were summarily dismissed.

I found all that filigree interesting. It may signify nothing whatsoever, but what I came away with was, apart from AK and AG and their abysmal press conference, and apart from Mick Fuller, the Comm of Police, NSW , who's rather laid back pronouncements all thru this ordeal have been somewhat baffling, and didn't give a lot of confidence in any of them, those "looking for her ' and those left behind, , it seemed to me that the ex didn't think she was coming back either, one way or the other.

I don't think DI Atkins thought Melissa was coming back either. And I got the vibe that it wasn't because she thought Melissa leaped.
Her implorements that they just "need to find Melissa", repeated again and again.

 

[SLouTh]

Apologies if this has been discussed previously but this caught my attention & I thought it was worth looking into.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...and-the-missing-millions-20201225-p56q5b.html

Basically the bit I’m interested in is AG making 2 payments to MC & recording the payments as rent.
“What neither Mr Grimley nor his friend knew that afternoon was that both of them were victims of Melissa Caddick’s astonishing deception. They would soon find out she had stolen many millions of dollars from those closest to her.

Ms Caddick’s financial records, which were tendered in court, show Mr Grimley paid sums of $114,000 and $23,650 into his sister’s accounts. The payments are recorded as rent. Mr Grimley had been working as a consultant in Singapore in recent years but had returned to Australia earlier this year to have a medical procedure. Because of COVID-19 he was unable to return and was staying with his parents at an Edgecliff penthouse Ms Caddick bought for $2.55 million in 2016.”

Would be interested to know when these payments were made? Also was purely to pay rent, for tax minimisation purposes or something else?

I've found the time period for the $114K from AG but not the actual date....

a total of $260,000 was deposited into the account during the period 11 July 2017 to 30 June 2020 including:
(a) $87,000 deposited from the Caddick NAB Primary account;
(b) $50,000 deposited from the Maliver NAB Primary Account;
(c) $9,000 deposited from the Caddick NAB account; and
(d) $114,000 deposited from a Citigroup bank account with the description "AEG Renr or "renf' which appears to be from Adam Edward Grimley.

This money went into the account called MC Home Loan A/C

 

[SLouTh]

I've found the time period for the $114K from AG but not the actual date....

a total of $260,000 was deposited into the account during the period 11 July 2017 to 30 June 2020 including:
(a) $87,000 deposited from the Caddick NAB Primary account;
(b) $50,000 deposited from the Maliver NAB Primary Account;
(c) $9,000 deposited from the Caddick NAB account; and
(d) $114,000 deposited from a Citigroup bank account with the description "AEG Renr or "renf' which appears to be from Adam Edward Grimley.

And the other money here:

during the period 11 December 2017 to 17 July 2020, including:
(a) $23,652.00 from a Citigroup bank account held in the name of Adam Grimley with the description "Renf;

This money went into the Caddick NAB Primary Account

 

[drsleuth]

I haven't dug very deep, and don't intend to. I have looked closely at suicide statistics... which could also be considered over a person's whole life, seeing that they only get to do it (successfully) once.
Melissa doesn't fit. As I said, maybe she did make that leap, but it is a miniscule chance that happened.

BBM


Sorry SA I have to disagree, she has huge red flags to me. And if I was asked to do a suicide "risk assessment" on what we know of MC & her circumstances I'd probably say she is would have been medium to high risk after the raid of suicide or attempted suicide

She ticks many boxes for me , such as

■ ‘at risk’ mental status, eg depression,hopelessness, despair, agitation, shame, guilt,anger, psychosis, psychotic thought processes

■ recent interpersonal crisis, especially rejection, humiliation

■ financial difficulties or unemployment■impending legal prosecution or child custody issues

■ lack of a social support network

■ unwillingness to accept help (??)

Hopelessness is one of the main factors mediating the relationship between depression and suicidal intent.Some people experiencing hopelessness may conclude that death is abetter alternative than living a life in which they believe there is no hope for a positive future. Hopelessness can be determined by exploring how a person feels about his/her future. Lack of positive expectancies and a negative view on life are important factors in suicidal behaviour.



If anyone tells me they feel hopeless, that is a red flag to me.

Of course I can only go on what I know , I know nothing of MC's psychiatric Hx ( if any ) and you do not need a history to suicide.........

Edit, Sorry forgot the link

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/menta...tions/suicide-risk-assess-comm-mh-service.pdf

 

[JLZ]

I've found the time period for the $114K from AG but not the actual date....

a total of $260,000 was deposited into the account during the period 11 July 2017 to 30 June 2020 including:
(a) $87,000 deposited from the Caddick NAB Primary account;
(b) $50,000 deposited from the Maliver NAB Primary Account;
(c) $9,000 deposited from the Caddick NAB account; and
(d) $114,000 deposited from a Citigroup bank account with the description "AEG Renr or "renf' which appears to be from Adam Edward Grimley.

And I found the $23K, but no date:

226. . . . a total of $3,186,509.20 was deposited into the account during the period 11 December 2017 to 17 July 2020, including:
(a) $23,652.00 from a Citigroup bank account held in the name of Adam Grimley with the description "Rent"; . . .

 

[JLZ]

In the very beginning we were told Melissa had missed appointments in the week following her disappearance. I wondered what the appointments were, in particular whether they related to health care. They might have a bearing on her state of mind. Now that she's known to be deceased, perhaps the general nature of those appointments could be revealed.

 

[SLouTh]

And I found the $23K, but no date:

226. . . . a total of $3,186,509.20 was deposited into the account during the period 11 December 2017 to 17 July 2020, including:
(a) $23,652.00 from a Citigroup bank account held in the name of Adam Grimley with the description "Rent"; . . .

SNAP JLZ ...

 

[SouthAussie]

BBM


Sorry SA I have to disagree, she has huge red flags to me. And if I was asked to do a suicide "risk assessment" on what we know of MC & her circumstances I'd probably say she is would have been medium to high risk after the raid of suicide or attempted suicide

She ticks many boxes for me , such as

■ ‘at risk’ mental status, eg depression,hopelessness, despair, agitation, shame, guilt,anger, psychosis, psychotic thought processes

■ recent interpersonal crisis, especially rejection, humiliation

■ financial difficulties or unemployment■impending legal prosecution or child custody issues

■ lack of a social support network

■ unwillingness to accept help (??)

Hopelessness is one of the main factors mediating the relationship between depression and suicidal intent.Some people experiencing hopelessness may conclude that death is abetter alternative than living a life in which they believe there is no hope for a positive future. Hopelessness can be determined by exploring how a person feels about his/her future. Lack of positive expectancies and a negative view on life are important factors in suicidal behaviour.



If anyone tells me they feel hopeless, that is a red flag to me.

Of course I can only go on what I know , I know nothing of MC's psychiatric Hx ( if any ) and you do not need a history to suicide.........

Yes, I get what you are saying. And I fully understand that.

But we don't know about hopelessness. It is something we are perceiving or deducing, all by ourselves. It was a "normal night" according to AK. He hasn't mentioned hopelessness at all. No despair. Only that Melissa did nothing wrong.

 

[Gibbo214]

BBM


Sorry SA I have to disagree, she has huge red flags to me. And if I was asked to do a suicide "risk assessment" on what we know of MC & her circumstances I'd probably say she is would have been medium to high risk after the raid of suicide or attempted suicide

She ticks many boxes for me , such as

■ ‘at risk’ mental status, eg depression,hopelessness, despair, agitation, shame, guilt,anger, psychosis, psychotic thought processes

■ recent interpersonal crisis, especially rejection, humiliation

■ financial difficulties or unemployment■impending legal prosecution or child custody issues

■ lack of a social support network

■ unwillingness to accept help (??)

Hopelessness is one of the main factors mediating the relationship between depression and suicidal intent.Some people experiencing hopelessness may conclude that death is abetter alternative than living a life in which they believe there is no hope for a positive future. Hopelessness can be determined by exploring how a person feels about his/her future. Lack of positive expectancies and a negative view on life are important factors in suicidal behaviour.



If anyone tells me they feel hopeless, that is a red flag to me.

Of course I can only go on what I know , I know nothing of MC's psychiatric Hx ( if any ) and you do not need a history to suicide.........

We dont know that she felt any of those. BBM.

 

[drsleuth]

Yes, I get what you are saying. And I fully understand that.

But we don't know about hopelessness. It is something we are perceiving or deducing, all by ourselves. It was a "normal night" according to AK. He hasn't mentioned hopelessness at all. No despair. Only that Melissa did nothing wrong.

We dont know that she felt any of those. BBM.

Sure, we don't know what she was feeling , I accept that , but IMO she very possibly could have.

I don't believe for a second it was "normal night" it's certainly not normal to be raided by the Feds & ASIC ( I'm certain of that )

Anyway it's just all IMO, MOO

 

[Gibbo214]

Sure, we don't know what she was feeling , I accept that , but IMO she very possibly could have.

I don't believe for a second it was "normal night" it's certainly not normal to be raided by the Feds & ASIC ( I'm certain of that )

Anyway it's just all IMO, MOO

It is not normal to cheat and defraud your family and friends but she seemed to do it without any pangs of conscience.

 

[SouthAussie]

Sure, we don't know what she was feeling , I accept that , but IMO she very possibly could have.

I don't believe for a second it was "normal night" it's certainly not normal to be raided by the Feds & ASIC ( I'm certain of that )

Anyway it's just all IMO, MOO

And she could just as easily have anticipated that she could wangle her way out of it. Like she did everything else.

It truly could swing either way. IMO
And if someone else has harmed Melissa, I hate to think that they will get away with it because everyone concludes suicide from this strong and resourceful woman.

 

[JLZ]

And she could just as easily have anticipated that she could wangle her way out of it. Like she did everything else.

It truly could swing either way. IMO
And if someone else has harmed Melissa, I hate to think that they will get away with it because everyone concludes suicide from this strong and resourceful woman.

If you were LE, how would you proceed?

 

[Trooper]

Not me.. I don't conclude suicide, not for a nano second, never have.

The last video clip of Melissa portrays a woman in the grip of a feral rage, not frightened, not ashamed, not remorseful, not embarrassed , not broken.

What happened in the next 20 hours, who knows, except Anthony, and maybe the son, but if she was that angry being outed, it would only escalate, I reckon.

 

[SouthAussie]

If you were LE, how would you proceed?

I would forensically check everything. Every fibre, wall and floor. Every car boot and back seat.
Where the people close to her were that whole day, through every means I could (CCTV, phone pings, receipts).
So much time was lost looking at points of departure, when things could have been much closer to home.

I would also try to pin down any involvement of a partner. Likely a Bruce Gleeson type task, a police forensic accountant, perhaps a handwriting analyst, perhaps checking all the computers/devices in that house .. not just Melissa's.

I would investigate it as a murder, until that could be disproven.

 

[Trooper]

Sure, we don't know what she was feeling , I accept that , but IMO she very possibly could have.

I don't believe for a second it was "normal night" it's certainly not normal to be raided by the Feds & ASIC ( I'm certain of that )

Anyway it's just all IMO, MOO

It had to be as far from a normal night as ever a length could be measured, DR S...

'Normal' from that home had long departed , and ever increasing abnormality was the trend.

 

[Trooper]

When you forge your own superannuation policy, that's a pretty clear indication that normal has left the station. Or you are waiting at the bus station for your ship to come in.

Either way, it's a case of living in an edifice that has little crumbs around the edges, that make that peculiar sound of a catastrophic fault in the engineering.

Next thing. 'ring ring'.. ASIC/AFP ., open the door'..

 

[Gibbo214]

Not me.. I don't conclude suicide, not for a nano second, never have.

The last video clip of Melissa portrays a woman in the grip of a feral rage, not frightened, not ashamed, not remorseful, not embarrassed , not broken.

What happened in the next 20 hours, who knows, except Anthony, and maybe the son, but if she was that angry being outed, it would only escalate, I reckon.

Yep. That photo says to me, 'How dare you!'

 

[Trooper]

If you were LE, how would you proceed?

I'd be digging up the house. Nothing says she left that house, except a kid who thought he heard the door open , or close, at 5.30am.

Nothing seen leaving the house, the street, the suburb, the state or the country.