Found Deceased Australia - Melissa Caddick, 49, Sydney, NSW, 12 Nov 2020 #6

[minime9]

Yesterday....
Order_JUSTICEMARKOVIC_DOC15 (comcourts.gov.au)

Mainly to remove the name & address of MC’s son

 

[JLZ]

Another link for How white collar criminals sleep easy at night, by Professor Clinton Free from the University of Sydney Business School, Australian Financial Review, 08 March 2021, in a tweet by @SydneyUni_Media (which allowed access to the article for me, a non-subscriber).
"A researcher who has spent the past decade in prisons across the US and Australia says there are four main ways white-collar criminals justify their actions."

Thanks for the good link. I'll summarize the rationalizations:

1. I deserve what I "steal".
2. They made me do it (I'm the victim).
3. I'm going to pay it back.
4. It's no big deal for anyone [eg they can afford it].

 

[JLZ]

Confirming it was the Wednesday ... timeline is here ...

The timeline of Melissa Caddick's alleged frauds and disappearance

Early MSM reports were inconsistent. Allen affidavit 25 November, paragraph 5 & surrounding, confirms it was 11 November (Wednesday). https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/__data/...ella-Lucy-Allen-affirmed-25-November-2020.pdf

WS is slow this morning . . . getting better since an hour ago I think.

 

[Deleted member 83851]

Interesting that the one person who, when I told them about Melissa Caddick, said “good for her!”—-is a diagnosed Narcissist and known to steal things from their friend’s homes, offices, schools...things have gone missing from my own home, small stuff really. But they can’t come back, unless I have a third party watching them with an eagle eye. This light-fingered friend is highly intelligent and charismatic.

 

[BlueViolet]

Interestingly, 11 November is Remembrance Day

 

[BlueViolet]

Testing, sorry just checking that the pages are loading. I seemed to be having problems earlier today

 

[MsLilly]

If only they could be held accountable.

MC is the one that had fooled everyone. Her accountants, lawyers, ATO, banks, clients, doctors, employees, employers, family & friends. She was the one who forged hundreds, probably thousands of signatures & documents. For her fraud to go undetected for as long as it did means that she was good at dodging the shadows

MC did not fool everyone.... she made the decision to steal from the people she knew. Some investors are the same age as her parents, some are retired or near retirement, some are working 9-5 (and then some) and some are very busy professionals. The impact of this theft and deceit extends beyond the investor... it impacts their present and future lifestyle...it impacts the immediate family...it impact the quality of their lives...and the impact was felt immediately she disappeared. She robbed them blind and now they are having to pay for MC’s legal bills as well as their own significant legal bills to try and obtain a determination of what is validly theirs.
The return the investors receive is also highly contingent upon complex legal issues being resolved and various other factors and costs (ie potential claims from other parties).
THE DECISION TO STEAL WAS MADE BY MELISSA CADDICK!!

 

[Via Marple]

Via Marple, can you make any educated guesses about Melissa's personality or motivations?

Unfortunately no. Now is not the time to ask about her. They are very protective of Melissa's mum right now.

As far as I can tell, mum and her group are ordinary decent suburban folks. They were not profiting much from the tai chi classes, it was more like sharing their passion. And my guess is, none of them had "invested" with Melissa.

I do wonder, was Melissa any good at tai chi? You can get very flexible and strength with your core etc.

 

[Gibbo214]

Interesting that the one person who, when I told them about Melissa Caddick, said “good for her!”—-is a diagnosed Narcissist and known to steal things from their friend’s homes, offices, schools...things have gone missing from my own home, small stuff really. But they can’t come back, unless I have a third party watching them with an eagle eye. This light-fingered friend is highly intelligent and charismatic.

I know a woman like that. She doesn't need the things that she steals, like a wheelbarrow from a neighbour (she already had one) and sometimes boasts about her steals like she is clever and putting it over on them.

 

[Via Marple]

Thanks for the good link. I'll summarize the rationalizations:

1. I deserve what I "steal".
2. They made me do it (I'm the victim).
3. I'm going to pay it back.
4. It's no big deal for anyone [eg they can afford it].

I have to deal with some people who satisfy 1, 2, 4.

3 is not in their mentality.

They have cheated and lied and taken, all their lives. Feeling totally justified.

 

[Gibbo214]

Testing, sorry just checking that the pages are loading. I seemed to be having problems earlier today

There are two very busy threads on WS today. The woman who went missing in London and for which a police officer has been arrested for her murder and the George Floyd trial beginning. The site gets overloaded.

 

[they'll get you]

Twenty years before she dazzled clients into handing over their millions by way of her elaborately forged financial advisory platform, Melissa Caddick was a plain old cheque forger.
Caddick was then aged about 29, and her forgery was simple fraud compared to her final work, the Australian Financial Review’s Chanticleer column reported.

But the failure to report Caddick back then would allow her to go on and invent her crooked financial advisory business sometime after 2009.

In this final incarnation, Caddick would create a stunningly labyrinthine system of forged physical and digital documentation of pretend shareholdings on CBA’s CommSec platform.
How Melissa Caddick got caught forging cheques 20 years before she vanished

 

[Mr Murphy]

What does the family do now with the foot? Do they have a funeral? Do they have to wait for the coroner report to confirm she is deceased?

 

[Estelle]

Interesting that the one person who, when I told them about Melissa Caddick, said “good for her!”—-is a diagnosed Narcissist and known to steal things from their friend’s homes, offices, schools...things have gone missing from my own home, small stuff really. But they can’t come back, unless I have a third party watching them with an eagle eye. This light-fingered friend is highly intelligent and charismatic.

Where did this come from? I cannot imagine that someone would say, "Good for her". I guess their attitude is that if you can get away with it, why not?

I didn't know that MC stole things from other people besides money.

Last night, I went to a barbecue and a couple told me that they used to live in Vaucluse. They knew MC and used to say hello to her when they shopped at Rose Bay. She was always very friendly to them but they never invested with her.

I live in a Retirement Village on the northside with 140 residents and four of them so far have told me that they used to either know MC or that they know her parents.

I am wondering if the police have been given any more information recently via Crime Stoppers to follow up.

 

[minime9]

MC did not fool everyone.... she made the decision to steal from the people she knew. Some investors are the same age as her parents, some are retired or near retirement, some are working 9-5 (and then some) and some are very busy professionals. The impact of this theft and deceit extends beyond the investor... it impacts their present and future lifestyle...it impacts the immediate family...it impact the quality of their lives...and the impact was felt immediately she disappeared. She robbed them blind and now they are having to pay for MC’s legal bills as well as their own significant legal bills to try and obtain a determination of what is validly theirs.
The return the investors receive is also highly contingent upon complex legal issues being resolved and various other factors and costs (ie potential claims from other parties).
THE DECISION TO STEAL WAS MADE BY MELISSA CADDICK!!

No dispute there.

However she did fool her investors as well as her banks, accountants, etc. Her documentation was real enough to get loans, clients etc etc. She was convincing enough to commit fraud. That doesn’t mean I think that these people are fools.

 

[Estelle]

What does the family do now with the foot? Do they have a funeral? Do they have to wait for the coroner report to confirm she is deceased?

This situation really interests me too. If I were the family, I would be keen to have the funeral so that I could get closure. But MC has not been declared legally dead yet, it seems.

 

[Estelle]

‘How much of her foot was in the shoe?’ asks Caddick’s father-in-law
Fraudster Melissa Caddick’s father-in-law believes she could still alive despite the grisly discovery of a washed-up Asics trainer containing her foot, asking, ‘How much of it was in the shoe?’

No Cookies | Daily Telegraph

As this article is paywalled, has this question been answered yet?

 

[BlueViolet]

Did she actually work out of a hotmail a/c? I thought I read that here on WS a couple of weeks ago.

 

[SouthAussie]

‘How much of her foot was in the shoe?’ asks Caddick’s father-in-law
Fraudster Melissa Caddick’s father-in-law believes she could still alive despite the grisly discovery of a washed-up Asics trainer containing her foot, asking, ‘How much of it was in the shoe?’

No Cookies | Daily Telegraph

As this article is paywalled, has this question been answered yet?

No. It is just speaking about AK's father questioning that, questioning why the shoe didn't look more deteriorated, questioning if Melissa is still alive, questioning if it was murder or suicide.

Seems to be just the things he said in his 60 Minutes interview. Nothing new.

 

[MsLilly]

Where did this come from? I cannot imagine that someone would say, "Good for her". I guess their attitude is that if you can get away with it, why not?

I didn't know that MC stole things from other people besides money.

Last night, I went to a barbecue and a couple told me that they used to live in Vaucluse. They knew MC and used to say hello to her when they shopped at Rose Bay. She was always very friendly to them but they never invested with her.

I live in a Retirement Village on the northside with 140 residents and four of them so far have told me that they used to either know MC or that they know her parents.

I am wondering if the police have been given any more information recently via Crime Stoppers to follow up.

Estelle is it possible for you to put the timeline you gathered back up as it is not longer available.