Found Deceased Australia - Melissa Caddick, 49, Sydney, NSW, 12 Nov 2020 #6

[minime9]

Kind of.

IMO we may never solve this case, but we can at least look into the cars & phones as ime multiple sources of data doesn’t lie. I’m hoping the police are already or have already looked into this. IMO it will possibly clear AK , but if there was an issue then at least it could be picked up on. Maybe they’ve already done this, it’s quite possible. But then again some stations / police departments in Sydney & NSW tend to like doing nothing until the answer is staring at them in the face & they’re being exposed for the incompetent idiots they are *coughManlycough*

A little bit of info on what Police can find on the data stored in modern cars:


That data is stored in the car's many computers - information is stored by up to 70 computers contained in each car allowing it to become a major law enforcement tool that, depending on which car you’ve driven, can track all your movements, exact routes, who you’ve spoken to and even when you’ve opened the doors.

Law enforcement agencies, including police forces in Australia, are now using ‘vehicle forensics’ software produced by companies like Berla that creates “solutions for investigators to identify, acquire, and analyse critical information stored within vehicle systems to uncover key evidence that determines what happened, where it occurred, and who was involved”.

According to Berla, there are three key categories of information a vehicle can contain that can be crucial to a police investigation. These include:


Vehicle events: The car stores event logs allow investigators to know everything about a car from gear shifts, speed logs, odometer readings, when the car was turned on and off, and even when fuel was added.

Location data: This includes navigation information such as track logs, saved locations, active routes and previous destinations.

Connected devices: Smartphones that have been connected via the USB ports, Bluetooth or wireless network can be identified, along with all of the data associated with those devices. We’re talking phone contacts, calls, texts, social media feeds and everywhere you’ve been.

That information will still be there, even if you’ve deleted it all from the device itself.

Vehicle data is the latest police forensics tool (whichcar.com.au)

Yes! This is exactly what I’m talking about.

Slightly off topic but a previous work acquaintance of mine bought a BMW X5 2nd hand and did a weekend trip from Sydney to Melbourne & vice versa. On the return trip this person hit some local wildlife (I think it was a too). Anyway he panicked as he hadn’t purchased insurance for the car so he quickly purchased a comprehensive policy & was lucky enough to be able to continue the drive home. The next day he contacted RACV & unsurprising the claim went straight to the fraud team as it was a new policy. He was going to continue to lie about when this collision occurred when a kind lady from the fraud team warned him that BMW actually records the date & time that any collisions occur & some code is generated to record that the vehicle has been involved in some sort of impact. The code doesn’t lie!

Anyway the guy ended up withdrawing his claim & driving around with a dinted X5. Do I think AK could have done something bad in either car? Atm I think no, but the cars data & his phone data will tell the story, or at least part of it.

 

[minime9]

Kind of.

IMO we may never solve this case, but we can at least look into the cars & phones as ime multiple sources of data doesn’t lie. I’m hoping the police are already or have already looked into this. IMO it will possibly clear AK , but if there was an issue then at least it could be picked up on. Maybe they’ve already done this, it’s quite possible. But then again some stations / police departments in Sydney & NSW tend to like doing nothing until the answer is staring at them in the face & they’re being exposed for the incompetent idiots they are *coughManlycough*

A little bit of info on what Police can find on the data stored in modern cars:


That data is stored in the car's many computers - information is stored by up to 70 computers contained in each car allowing it to become a major law enforcement tool that, depending on which car you’ve driven, can track all your movements, exact routes, who you’ve spoken to and even when you’ve opened the doors.

Law enforcement agencies, including police forces in Australia, are now using ‘vehicle forensics’ software produced by companies like Berla that creates “solutions for investigators to identify, acquire, and analyse critical information stored within vehicle systems to uncover key evidence that determines what happened, where it occurred, and who was involved”.

According to Berla, there are three key categories of information a vehicle can contain that can be crucial to a police investigation. These include:


Vehicle events: The car stores event logs allow investigators to know everything about a car from gear shifts, speed logs, odometer readings, when the car was turned on and off, and even when fuel was added.

Location data: This includes navigation information such as track logs, saved locations, active routes and previous destinations.

Connected devices: Smartphones that have been connected via the USB ports, Bluetooth or wireless network can be identified, along with all of the data associated with those devices. We’re talking phone contacts, calls, texts, social media feeds and everywhere you’ve been.

That information will still be there, even if you’ve deleted it all from the device itself.

Vehicle data is the latest police forensics tool (whichcar.com.au)

Yes! This is exactly what I’m talking about.

Slightly off topic but a previous work acquaintance of mine bought a BMW X5 2nd hand and did a weekend trip from Sydney to Melbourne & vice versa. On the return trip this person hit some local wildlife (I think it was a too). Anyway he panicked as he hadn’t purchased insurance for the car so he quickly purchased a comprehensive policy & was lucky enough to be able to continue the drive home. The next day he contacted RACV & unsurprising the claim went straight to the fraud team as it was a new policy. He was going to continue to lie about when this collision occurred when a kind lady from the fraud team warned him that BMW actually records the date & time that any collisions occur & some code is generated to record that the vehicle has been involved in some sort of impact. The code doesn’t lie!

Anyway the guy ended up withdrawing his claim & driving around with a dinted X5. Do I think AK could have done something bad in either car? Atm I think no, but the cars data & his phone data will tell the story, or at least part of it.

Thanks for the link HJ

This article says Audi seized by the Receivers .....

And....

Yesterdays article states Audi seized by the Police....
Melissa Caddick’s husband Anthony Koletti seen for first time since foot found | Daily Telegraph

Which one is an assumption? Which is true? Or neither true???

Probably more like repossessed as the lease period hadn’t ended on the car iirc.

As long as the police have done what they should have..

 

[HelloJohnny]

Furthermore, Piortrowski (Daily Mail UK) reported that “The plates were an apparent reference to Mr Koletti and his missing wife's two pet dogs as well as a nod to his DJ moniker, Paws Off Productions. Daily Mail Australia has established that Mr Koletti's Audi R8 - his pride and joy - was seized by the receivers reviewing his wife's assets in January.”

Full disclosure...
Although, to be entirely truthful I’m really not sure if the Daily Mail is regarded as a credible newsworthy source. According to Media Bias Fact Check is is not.

 

[HelloJohnny]

Thanks for the link HJ

This article says Audi seized by the Receivers .....

And....

Yesterdays article states Audi seized by the Police....
Melissa Caddick’s husband Anthony Koletti seen for first time since foot found | Daily Telegraph

Which one is an assumption? Which is true? Or neither true???

In my opinion, the Daily Telegraph is a far more reliable source. However, the other did make an interesting reading.

 

[HelloJohnny]

Yes! This is exactly what I’m talking about.

Slightly off topic but a previous work acquaintance of mine bought a BMW X5 2nd hand and did a weekend trip from Sydney to Melbourne & vice versa. On the return trip this person hit some local wildlife (I think it was a too). Anyway he panicked as he hadn’t purchased insurance for the car so he quickly purchased a comprehensive policy & was lucky enough to be able to continue the drive home. The next day he contacted RACV & unsurprising the claim went straight to the fraud team as it was a new policy. He was going to continue to lie about when this collision occurred when a kind lady from the fraud team warned him that BMW actually records the date & time that any collisions occur & some code is generated to record that the vehicle has been involved in some sort of impact. The code doesn’t lie!

Anyway the guy ended up withdrawing his claim & driving around with a dinted X5. Do I think AK could have done something bad in either car? Atm I think no, but the cars data & his phone data will tell the story, or at least part of it.

Probably more like repossessed as the lease period hadn’t ended on the car iirc.

As long as the police have done what they should have..

I also, had wondered if the vehicle was leased, how would the Police treat the situation. Therefore, I have formed a bit of a theory and have considered some other possibilities too...

Example/s, 1) I have wondered if the Police would swoop in and test the vehicle/s just in case they are repossessed by the lessor in the near future (as a precautionary measure), 2) the Police are confident that there is no possible reason how the vehicle/s could have been used in anything untoward, or 3) the Police would prefer to obtain the vehicle/s from the lessor (so it was unbeknown to the lessee) or the media in general.

My hunch is #3.
If the Police has adequate evidence to acquire a warrant, I wonder if they would/could be strategic in the timing of testing of any such vehicles?

Other than, providing any possible offenders with the opportunity to clean any potential evidence away - I surmise that if that was going to occur, then it’s highly likely that the vehicles in question have already been throughly detailed....IMOO

 

[SLouTh]

My hunch is #3.
If the Police has adequate evidence to acquire a warrant, I wonder if they would/could be strategic in the timing of testing of any such vehicles?

As in, after Melissa's foot / shoe was found????

 

[minime9]

I also, had wondered if the vehicle was leased, how would the Police treat the situation. Therefore, I have formed a bit of a theory and have considered some other possibilities too...

Example/s, 1) I have wondered if the Police would swoop in and test the vehicle/s just in case they are repossessed by the lessor in the near future (as a precautionary measure), 2) the Police are confident that there is no possible reason how the vehicle/s could have been used in anything untoward, or 3) the Police would prefer to obtain the vehicle/s from the lessor (so it was unbeknown to the lessee) or the media in general.

My hunch is #3.
If the Police has adequate evidence to acquire a warrant, I wonder if they would/could be strategic in the timing of testing of any such vehicles?

Other than, providing any possible offenders with the opportunity to clean any potential evidence away - I surmise that if that was going to occur, then it’s highly likely that the vehicles in question have already been throughly detailed....IMOO

Yes they could very well be doing their analysis quietly. I suspect they don’t have enough suspicion to name him as a person of interest to the public if he is one & and are just looking into data.

Ive Googled Berla & they seem to have an Australian branch. It’s times like these that I love technology.
Berla.co

 

[HelloJohnny]

As in, after Melissa's foot / shoe was found????

Not necessarily, I have wondered this before her foot was discovered.

 

[minime9]

Not necessarily, I have wondered this before her foot was discovered.

Yes I thought the police were watching AK before the foot was found. I thought he knew MC was hiding and alive. I haven’t been able to arrive at the conclusion on the other end. At least if this is the case the police are investigating in a respectful manner without creating too much ruckus as they know the media will pounce.

 

[HelloJohnny]

Not necessarily, I have wondered this before her foot was discovered.

I have been waiting for cars to impounded for testing, for a long time. Thinking for sure that this would happen sooner or later. At the time, MC was missing but (foot) not found. I was suspecting that to rule out foul play, the vehicle/s would have to be tested. As time went by, (me still waiting), I found myself thinking that maybe there was no evidence for this course of action.

Then as time went by, and
having read that the vehicle/s were leased, I wondered if the Police would be strategic enough to obtain the vehicles from the lessor rather than the lessee, with the aim to ‘go under the radar’, as such.

Just a theory...

 

[Brissie Sleuth]

Both the Audi & Mercedes would have GPS trackers. You’d hope that the police would have already checked them on both cars. You’d hope anyway..

this article says they investigated the cars
Police believe accused fraudster Melissa Caddick still alive
“Missing persons police are poring over CCTV footage and information downloaded from computers in Caddick's cars”

 

[Brissie Sleuth]

i hadnt seen this early article before talks about how it would be unlikely and difficult to oversee over 50 investment accounts and how Melissas pitch was underwhelming
The Lies of Melissa Caddick | Mancell Financial Group

 

[Estelle]

Besides waiting for the cars to be tested, I have been waiting for the dogs to be used.
I am not an expert on the dogs used in searches but I would have thought that a Search and Rescue dog could have followed MC's path out of the Dover Heights house if she did, in fact, walk out the front door alive or perhaps to test if she actually went into the garage instead.

Secondly, after the shoe/foot was found, surely they could have used Cadaver dogs to test whether there is any evidence of a dead body in the Dover Heights house or in one of those cars.

Thirdly, I have not been convinced that the foot/shoe actually arrived via the ocean, so a Cadaver dog could have been used to test if the shoe came from the ocean or was planted there and the trail that led it there.


In a missing person case, it is hard to prove a crime happened without some evidence. In cases where a dead body will be the likely outcome of a search, Cadaver dogs are used to search, rather than standard Search and Rescue dogs. Why? Because a Search and Rescue Dog is trained to find living humans, and not detect decomposing flesh.

Cadaver Dogs are trained to locate and follow the scent of decomposing human flesh. Not a pretty thought, but their job is vital to both families of the victims, and to a justice system that ofttimes needs a body to prove a crime. These dogs work both on and off-leash and are trained to detect the scent of decomposition that rises from the soil, the same principle as when a dog knows where they last buried their bone.

What You Need to Know About Cadaver Dogs

 

[minime9]

this article says they investigated the cars
Police believe accused fraudster Melissa Caddick still alive
“Missing persons police are poring over CCTV footage and information downloaded from computers in Caddick's cars”

Feeling a bit foolish but also glad they’ve done it at least.

 

[HelloJohnny]

Besides waiting for the cars to be tested, I have been waiting for the dogs to be used.
I am not an expert on the dogs used in searches but I would have thought that a Search and Rescue dog could have followed MC's path out of the Dover Heights house if she did, in fact, walk out the front door alive or perhaps to test if she actually went into the garage instead.

Secondly, after the shoe/foot was found, surely they could have used Cadaver dogs to test whether there is any evidence of a dead body in the Dover Heights house or in one of those cars.

Thirdly, I have not been convinced that the foot/shoe actually arrived via the ocean, so a Cadaver dog could have been used to test if the shoe came from the ocean or was planted there and the trail that led it there.


In a missing person case, it is hard to prove a crime happened without some evidence. In cases where a dead body will be the likely outcome of a search, Cadaver dogs are used to search, rather than standard Search and Rescue dogs. Why? Because a Search and Rescue Dog is trained to find living humans, and not detect decomposing flesh.

Cadaver Dogs are trained to locate and follow the scent of decomposing human flesh. Not a pretty thought, but their job is vital to both families of the victims, and to a justice system that ofttimes needs a body to prove a crime. These dogs work both on and off-leash and are trained to detect the scent of decomposition that rises from the soil, the same principle as when a dog knows where they last buried their bone.

What You Need to Know About Cadaver Dogs

Great point Estelle!

Query...
Do you know if NSW Police have their own cadaver dogs, or do they outsource this service to another Government agency or a non- Government Organisation (NGO)?

Off topic...
In this instance, cadaver dogs weren’t brought in by NSW Police until 12 months after Ruth Ridley, NSW Grandmother went missing.

I wonder what criteria is required to substantiate the use of cadaver dogs by NSW Police?

 

[OwlHeart]

I, too, am disheartened, OwlHeart. Maybe we will never know the truth

 

[SLouTh]

Great point Estelle!

Query...
Do you know if NSW Police have their own cadaver dogs, or do they outsource this service to another Government Organisation (NGO)?

Off topic...
In this instance, cadaver dogs weren’t brought in by NSW Police until 12 months after Ruth Ridley, NSW Grandmother went missing.

I wonder what criteria is required to substantiate the use of cadaver dogs by NSW Police?

I think the NSW Police have their own dogs, as in the William Tyrrell Case, PD Guv was used .... Police Dog Guv..... They have their own designation....

There was a news report to say the Police used dogs when those body parts washed up...(MC Case) but the type of dog wasn't specified...(It was on 9 TV news)

 

[HelloJohnny]

I think the NSW Police have their own dogs, as in the William Tyrrell Case, PD Guv was used .... Police Dog Guv..... They have their own designation....

There was a news report to say the Police used dogs when those body parts washed up...(MC Case) but the type of dog wasn't specified...(It was on 9 TV news)

Thanks SLouTH

 

[HelloJohnny]

Thanks SLouTH

NSW Police Dog Unit

 

[minime9]

i hadnt seen this early article before talks about how it would be unlikely and difficult to oversee over 50 investment accounts and how Melissas pitch was underwhelming
The Lies of Melissa Caddick | Mancell Financial Group

Hard for 1 person to do it adequately. Doable if you have 1 or 2 admin people, but probably hard if you take into account trades etc.

I did think Melissa had some part time help, but that may not be correct. For Melissa it wouldn’t have been as taxing as someone that is actually working as a legitimate financial advisor. I mean all she did was present an exclusive limited sales pitch, then coax unsuspecting people she knew on a very personal level to deposit their life savings to her & all she had to do was subscribe to Motley Fool to see what’s doing well in the markets & amend the figures on the “statements” & show some sort of growth every year or so. Then she spent the rest of her time between Aspen & her loungeroom thinking she was Cleopatra.