Found Deceased Australia - Melissa Caddick, 49, Sydney, NSW, 12 Nov 2020 #8

[JLZ]

I’m sure a surgeon or veterinarian somewhere would remove a foot for a quick couple of million and for $30 mil I’m sure I could do without a foot for freedom.

Of all the 1,000s of kilometres of coastline the foot landed on a beach where she would stay when she was a child.

Fancy that.

TGY. The way I understand that locality, that beach, the most likely thing that would happen to a shoe/foot washed up on it, or placed there, is that it would never be discovered and identified. Somebody posted about going there, I forget how many hours' walk it was from car access. If I was going to cut off my foot to fake my death, I'd want to make it worth my while by having the foot left where I was confident it would be found and identified.

 

[centred]

TGY. The way I understand that locality, that beach, the most likely thing that would happen to a shoe/foot washed up on it, or placed there, is that it would never be discovered and identified. Somebody posted about going there, I forget how many hours' walk it was from car access. If I was going to cut off my foot to fake my death, I'd want to make it worth my while by having the foot left where I was confident it would be found and identified.

I agree there maybe beaches more frequented , however the hours reported re car access is way over exaggerated , these beaches obviously have many accesses available . Also if in a scenario of a vessel or cruiser etc off shore . you could jump in a dingy and access that way , and these beaches are more frequented during holiday season. I am not saying it happened but i am saying it is possible

 

[JLZ]

I agree there maybe beaches more frequented , however the hours reported re car access is way over exaggerated , these beaches obviously have many accesses available . Also if in a scenario of a vessel or cruiser etc off shore . you could jump in a dingy and access that way , and these beaches are more frequented during holiday season. I am not saying it happened but i am saying it is possible

The access is possible but if you were going to sacrifice a foot so that an important inference could be drawn from it--your own death--you'd choose to leave it where you know it's going to be found and understood.

 

[centred]

The access is possible but if you were going to sacrifice a foot so that an important inference could be drawn from it--your own death--you'd choose to leave it where you know it's going to be found and understood.

I know what you are saying , but there are holiday cabins , oyster farms , private properties, north and south of Bournda beach which does stretch for a few klms to a built up retirement suburb just north of the town of Merimbula and also walk able for fishing and holiday makers which only takes minutes not hours. I live in the area and know it well.

 

[Trooper]

Not that I am excusing anything Melissa did, but it is worth repeating, she was not in the class of huge embezzlers. She certainly was a rip off artiste, but she confined herself, ( I see it as part of her shyness!) to her close friends and family, and her close friends families. Not the general public unless they were specifically targeted , and then they were known to her in a roundabout way . ( the mother of her son's school friend, for example ) ..

Her sudden and unheralded suicide , in that she left no note, made no previous attempts at it as far as is known, she bought no equipment for the job, and she could not have left more of a mess, not one attempt to at least assure her parents of their home, and she could have diverted monies she had access to , paying off at least, their mortgage, she did none of these things.

Not a note to her son. This is one part of this whole crime I find incomprehensible. If she knew and with great determination , chose a method of death that had to increase unbearable fear ( leaping off a cliff into the unknown sea bed, in a shark area, rocks, crabs , groupers, ) .. she was a lot braver in one area of her life that she did not demonstrate in any other area of her life.

But I digress. What I meant was, she was small bananas in the overall scheme of past and present Sydney scammers. She was at it long time, very very careful as to whom she admitted into the inner circle of 'Friends to Help.'. .. she carefully stymied those who had suspicions by immed. refunding their money with interest. But she was , albeit an outrageous scammer, she was overall, a small scammer, of specific targets, peoples superannuation. Died for a few million dollars. Awful.

She must have realised at some stage , that she could not be ostentatious and profligate with her scooped up dollars. Jewelry was one way of eating the money up, yet keeping a low profile. The flashy cars, the waterside home, all these things can just about fly under the radar in Sydney, she didn't go overboard, like try and get on board the Opera House Committee or the RSY Squadron... Cranbrook school was about as far up the social climbers ladder as she was willing to go. She was attempting to enter the Horse Racing world, but that is full of old hands at scamming, really. She reared back from it, for that very reason, I suspect.

In some ways she was interesting, and in others she was predictable and dreary, what a combo. ...

 

[JBowie]

My guess is that she knew all along that her day of reckoning would come and, having no way of explaining her crimes against family and friends, took (IMO) the coward's route by jumping off a cliff.

As per the Kate McClymont article I referred to earlier, Caddick has been described by shrinks as a narcissist. In view of that:

"Suicide risk is not rare in patients with narcissism, particularly in the context of severe narcissistic injury, where the patient feels shamed and/or vilified."

Narcissism and suicide risk - PubMed

"In summary, existing research suggests that NPD is associated with greater risk of suicide death and of highly lethal suicide attempts, but NPD is either not associated or moderately protective against lower lethality, non-fatal attempts."

Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Suicidal Behavior in Mood Disorders

As for her modus operandi, IMO she deliberately targeted unsophisticated investors and trusting people and therefore kept the 'pool of fools' -- so to speak -- small and manageable.​

 

[bearbear]

i know the underbelly series was fiction but wonder if there was a note left?
it showed her character in the bathroom writing a note, i cant imagine melissa leaving her son or parents without a goodbye if she was planning a suicide,
also wondering if it was possible there was a secret safe in the house where she left funds for ak and her son to live on, not sure how thorough asics search would have been that day?

 

[Mr Murphy]

i know the underbelly series was fiction but wonder if there was a note left?
it showed her character in the bathroom writing a note, i cant imagine melissa leaving her son or parents without a goodbye if she was planning a suicide,
also wondering if it was possible there was a secret safe in the house where she left funds for ak and her son to live on, not sure how thorough asics search would have been that day?

The possibility of a safe is high. Consider the fact that ASIC requested her passport to be produced at a later date because it was not on site. Either there is a secret safe at the home they did not wish to disclose to ASIC or an offsite safe or storage where the passport was kept. Why not keep it in the house with all the expensive jewellery etc? The passport would not have been sitting all alone in a safe.

 

[Redrunner]

The possibility of a safe is high. Consider the fact that ASIC requested her passport to be produced at a later date because it was not on site. Either there is a secret safe at the home they did not wish to disclose to ASIC or an offsite safe or storage where the passport was kept. Why not keep it in the house with all the expensive jewellery etc? The passport would not have been sitting all alone in a safe.

Does one put all there "eggs" in one basket?

 

[centred]

The possibility of a safe is high. Consider the fact that ASIC requested her passport to be produced at a later date because it was not on site. Either there is a secret safe at the home they did not wish to disclose to ASIC or an offsite safe or storage where the passport was kept. Why not keep it in the house with all the expensive jewellery etc? The passport would not have been sitting all alone in a safe.

With holding her passport at the time is very telling IMO what was already on her mind .

 

[centred]

With holding her passport at the time is very telling IMO what was already on her mind .

Can someone remind me how many hours went by before she was reported missing ? How many hours before LE started the search for her ?

 

[Trooper]

Can someone remind me how many hours went by before she was reported missing ? How many hours before LE started the search for her ?

I believe it was about 24 hours, all corrections welcomed. Anthony, mystified, he says, drove around 'to all their favorite places on the harbour', and sat there at some of the places, and communed with the stars, the sun, the moon, he says, did he take the dogs with him? I don't know , eventually turning from the sea shore to home, and dialling the local nick.

'helloooo'.. hello?? this is.. this is Anthony, I've lost my wife. '...

 

[Trooper]

Once the police started taking him seriously, which they would have done after he told them of the previous day's raid by , of all brotherhoods, the Australian Federal Police, some sort of co operation with the AFP would have been set up and a sort of half baked search commenced, the prevailing view being that she had swiftly decamped to Switzerland or Nigeria, ..... on the run from the Feds.

It took a while before the idea of her death became more concrete, less mudslip.

 

[centred]

Once the police started taking him seriously, which they would have done after he told them of the previous day's raid by , of all brotherhoods, the Australian Federal Police, some sort of co operation with the AFP would have been set up and a sort of half baked search commenced, the prevailing view being that she had swiftly decamped to Switzerland or Nigeria, ..... on the run from the Feds.

It took a while before the idea of her death became more concrete, less mudslip.

Decamped ..until they proved to themselves she couldn't have possibly passed through border patrol ...could she ? Not a good look ...so yeah i go with the "she jumped or slipped "

 

[Estelle]

Decamped ..until they proved to themselves she couldn't have possibly passed through border patrol ...could she ? Not a good look ...so yeah i go with the "she jumped or slipped "

I thought AK handed MC's passport in.

 

[JBowie]

I thought AK handed MC's passport in.

Yes, he did:

Sydney businesswoman Melissa Caddick's 'toy boy' husband handed authorities five passports in her name days after she disappeared, investigators claim.

Sydney businesswoman Melissa Caddick had FIVE passports in her name prior to disappearing | Daily Mail Online

 

[Estelle]

Do any of you think that AK knows where MC or her body is? Or have you all now concluded that MC suicided off the cliffs near her home? I've always been suspicious of his driving around to all her favourite places the next day.

 

[centred]

I thought AK handed MC's passport in.

I haven't really followed this case much Estelle , so it seems AK handed passport in at some stage, not that I thought she did use it to escape the country because she would of have to have done that within the first 48 hours or so before being discovered missing by LE .
Going on what AK said he assumed she would walk back in after a period of time , which makes sense to me considering the position they both found themselves in. Driving around looking for her might be something a person would do . I don't know if LE verified this by his phone or whatever , but calling the next day makes sense as well .
My comment about jumping or slipping off (boat slipping )was a bit tongue in cheek because i do not know obviously so either scenario can be entertained so to speak , as was dramatized re the Underbelly episodes .
I just remember when it was all in the headlines at the time, swimming at my local mariner and seeing a rather opulent looking cruiser that people were checking out , and a person came out and must of taken objection to their curiosity and must of asked them to give them some privacy , as it was a few weeks i think from memory after she went missing we joked about her being onboard , The "boat' was around for a few days , maybe longer , we tracked it and it ended up moored in Melbourne for some time and eventually returned to its moorings in North Sydney .

We never gave it much more thought after that but it is in a Sydney cove just over the hill so to speak from Dover . We were wondering how possible it is that something like this could happen , especially when it was said the remains were surprisingly " preserved "was that the claim ?
Was it also claimed the remains were not so much a limb with bone but more like a slice of the sole of a foot left in the shoe ?

 

[Estelle]

At the beginning of this case on WS, we went through every possible scenario including yours, Centred, but I have not been satisfied with any of them. Most seem to have accepted that MC suicided off the cliffs near her home but her foot being found on that beach hundreds of miles south where she spent time in her childhood seems to me to be too much of a coincidence.

I would like to know if LE have ever looked at other possible scenarios. However, I do not believe that MC is still alive with only one foot.

I have always suspected foul play. One example is that MC could have been driven to hide out near Bournda Beach area on the Sapphire Coast, murdered later, her foot cut off after death and then placed on the beach.

 

[Kemug]

We can't actually be certain that Melissa didn't leave a note/notes for a person/persons - eg her husband and/or son. If so, they may not/will not admit it. Possibly because admissions of guilt were made, and he/they want to protect her memory. I can see that happening. And if she did leave a note or notes, they may not have mentioned suicide, but just said that she was going away.