GUILTY Australia - Morgan Huxley, 31, stabbed to death, Neutral Bay, NSW, 8 Sept 2013 #3

  • #181
I'm going to have to be careful how I word this ...
What if DJK was the one sitting down on the side of the bed and MH was in front of him (for example in a position where he was between legs and untying shoe laces) - and MH was attacked in that position.
It would make sense of the attack:
- For the attacked (MH) to be taken by complete surprise -
- For the attacker to have access directly to the neck and the spine which could render MH paralyzed when stabbed and the upper back on one side
- the stabs would be made with some force as the attacker would be 'over' the body and MH would be (as was reported) lying on the floor in a pool of blood up against the bed base.
It could also explain the reason there was no defense from MH.
It would also allow the attacker to be fairly free of injury.
It would explain the amount of force used in quick succession.
This does not insinuate that sex actually took place either.


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You have such a way with words, Figs!

And you are right, he could have been untying shoelaces, picking up fluff from the floor, looking under the bed for boogiemen ...the possibilities are endless :waitasec:
 
  • #182
MSM is driving me crazy!

Regarding Morgan walking back and forth on the footpath before heading home, as was initially reported. When I google ‘walking back and forth’ this statement shows up in the little blurb under the article’s MSM web address:

“Oct 8, 2013 - Morgan Huxley did not appear to know the man who has been ... the former Hunters Hill High School student walked back and forth a few times ... “

But when you go into the actual article now, the statement has gone!

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/man-arrested-over-morgan-huxley-stabbing-death-20131008-2v50s.html

The everchanging landscape of the details! I’m sure police must have something to do with all of these changes. First they said one thing (when they were looking for a girl perp) - and I recall it was published in lots of different MSM because we discussed it quite a lot - and now they say another thing. :boohoo:

MSM has been hopeless, they've changed their story and got facts wrong so often, they've done hardly any research of their own, just goes to show how the ever diminishing budgets for media outlets and staff cuts have had such an effect on the quality of journalism IMO.

Remember real investigative journalism, like Channel 9's 'Sunday' .. seems like such a long time ago now :(
 
  • #183
You have such a way with words, Figs!

And you are right, he could have been untying shoelaces, picking up fluff from the floor, looking under the bed for boogiemen ...the possibilities are endless :waitasec:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:!!!!

Ahem......:worms:
 
  • #184
Hey Isisrising ... I just noticed that you are verified now! Congrats - and thanks for going through the process!

So good to have another verified professional on board. I have a feeling that your knowledge will be very useful once fuller details of the crime, and the alleged killer's headspace, are made public.

:congrats:
 
  • #185
Hey Isisrising ... I just noticed that you are verified now! Congrats - and thanks for going through the process!

So good to have another verified professional on board.

:congrats:

Thank you South Aussie!!! :cheers:

I so love Websleuths - it's a fantastic outlet for my fascination with crime - something that none of my friends share!!!
 
  • #186
Hey Isisrising ... I just noticed that you are verified now! Congrats - and thanks for going through the process!

So good to have another verified professional on board. I have a feeling that your knowledge will be very useful once fuller details of the crime, and the alleged killer's headspace, are made public.
:congrats:

That's the bit I'm particularly interested in - the killer's psychological makeup. Hopefully we get full details at some point down the track. Very hard to speculate on his psyche at this point.
 
  • #187
When I'm cooking at the pub (I occasionally do so at my local) I always think about DJK... Last night i was thinking about his choice of workwear and job.

Although it's not the norm for 'dish pigs' as is the industry term, or 'dishies', to wear chefs get up, it's not completely out there either, I've seen it before. Especially that he's chosen black for his top, black tops for dishes is the norm, because you're dealing with a lot of mess. Chefs pants (depending on style) can be quite comfy, so I can understand that too. Also bearing in mind that he's a young man living on the north shore and eating out and having coffee etc in his work clothes, so no doubt he wanted to present himself well to any prospective 'partners' or 'hook ups'. It's no different to the tradition in some workplaces where on Fridays you wear a slightly less corporate and slightly 'hotter' top under your suit to be ready for Friday arvo drinks in the city, because you just don't know where your night might take you ;) you want to look good in your work clothes!

On him telling people that he was a chefs assistant, well it's true, technically a dishie is an assistant to the chefs. They pick up and clean up after the chefs and sometimes do other jobs for them. This could be grabbing supplies from stores or actually helping with prep and even helping with plating for large functions.
It's also a good foot in the door for someone who wants an apprenticeship but has been unsuccessful finding one. You get in there, work hard, show initiative and when an opening comes up, you're a shoe in for the job. I've seen it before.

The 'chefs kit' that he apparently told people that he had in his satchel May or may not have actually been there. That's an assumption we shouldn't make IMO.
Though if he did in fact have one, it could have been in preparation for him getting an apprenticeship. Chefs are really protective of their knives an most won't even allow dishies to wash them up, they'll do it themselves. Knives can be exceedingly expensive and they really are their tools of the trade. So to someone desperately wanting to become a chef, I can see how owning a set of knives could make them feel that much closer to achieving their goal.

All MOO of course, make of it what you will :) just some 'food for thought'.

I'll also add that I'm not saying that I believe DJK DID think this way, just that it's a possibility that someone in his situation could think this way.
 
  • #188
I'm going to have to be careful how I word this ...
What if DJK was the one sitting down on the side of the bed and MH was in front of him (for example in a position where he was between legs and untying shoe laces) - and MH was attacked in that position.
It would make sense of the attack:
- For the attacked (MH) to be taken by complete surprise -
- For the attacker to have access directly to the neck and the spine which could render MH paralyzed when stabbed and the upper back on one side
- the stabs would be made with some force as the attacker would be 'over' the body and MH would be (as was reported) lying on the floor in a pool of blood up against the bed base.
It could also explain the reason there was no defense from MH.
It would also allow the attacker to be fairly free of injury.
It would explain the amount of force used in quick succession.
This does not insinuate that sex actually took place either.


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Very good analogy Figtree. LOL. I alluded to the same scenario a while back but you put it so much better than me. :rockon:

...he lashed out and stabbed MH in the back and then the throat. The wounds inflicted to MH could quite easily have been done if he was on his knees and the stabber was standing over him.

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  • #189
Hey Isisrising ... I just noticed that you are verified now! Congrats - and thanks for going through the process!

So good to have another verified professional on board. I have a feeling that your knowledge will be very useful once fuller details of the crime, and the alleged killer's headspace, are made public.

:congrats:

I second that. Thank you Isisrising.
 
  • #190
Thanks SouthAussie - I didn't see the video/photos before his face was blurred out. They obviously had his glasses for a while before he was arrested. Why did it take so long to arrest him I wonder?.

Just noticed the wording in your link, enzeder.


"It will also be alleged that blood was found on a pair of Mr Kelsall's prescription glasses which were found by police."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/huxleys-a...-police-say-20131008-2v6e5.html#ixzz2hwn9adkj


Wonder where they 'found' DJK's prescription glasses ... doesn't sound as though they were taken from his face, does it?
 
  • #191
  • #192
Just noticed the wording in your link, enzeder.


"It will also be alleged that blood was found on a pair of Mr Kelsall's prescription glasses which were found by police."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/huxleys-a...-police-say-20131008-2v6e5.html#ixzz2hwn9adkj


Wonder where they 'found' DJK's prescription glasses ... doesn't sound as though they were taken from his face, does it?

I wondered this too - and I wondered how they were able to charge DJK with larceny (stealing cash) as well.

I think the cash must have had something identifiable on it from MH - either his fingerprints or blood / dna - blood though, more likely.

So, I think the cash, the weapon and even DJK's glasses may have been inside the satchel, where a MH blood/dna transference happened - Especially if the weapon had been placed inside the satchel after use.
Its not said that the blood on the satchel was inside or outside of it.
There maybe more objects with MH's dna on them that Police haven't found.

DJK would only have to touch his glasses, orr the glasses went into the satchel for blood to have been caught under the frame somewhere.
jmho.

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  • #193
Just noticed the wording in your link, enzeder.


"It will also be alleged that blood was found on a pair of Mr Kelsall's prescription glasses which were found by police."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/huxleys-a...-police-say-20131008-2v6e5.html#ixzz2hwn9adkj


Wonder where they 'found' DJK's prescription glasses ... doesn't sound as though they were taken from his face, does it?


From this excerpt out of the The Herald Sun it sounds like they were found at his home

A search warrant was then carried out at Kelsall's family home, in a Spruson St, where police will allege they found DNA evidence to charge Kelsall with Mr Huxley's murder.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/ac...ad-his-last-beer/story-fnii5s3y-1226739920271


OT - I'm just seeing footage of the fires in NSW and the horrendous winds, smoke everywhere and now roads cut off. It's just crazy for mid October. Please stay safe if you're in the affected areas.
 
  • #194
Yes exactly - and to one side. You would have to imagine the scenario to see how very possible this is.
I would also like to know if DJK is left or right handed.

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Imagining the 'shoelace' theory (HA) - okay.. I see the back wounds, especially if they prove to all be downward-sloping.. But trouble seeing the action of cutting a throat three times from that position as well. As well as the issue of when DJK picked up the weapon - yes, perhaps from a bedside table. who knows, but if it's not Morgan's and it wasn't something that would normally be set on a bedside table, I have to wonder at what point he grabbed it, and from where.
 
  • #195
OT - I'm just seeing footage of the fires in NSW and the horrendous winds, smoke everywhere and now roads cut off. It's just crazy for mid October. Please stay safe if you're in the affected areas.

Sorry - OT reply - All I can hear is the Song of the Sirens on the highway :(
Relentless this afternoon.
 
  • #196
Imagining the 'shoelace' theory (HA) - okay.. I see the back wounds, especially if they prove to all be downward-sloping.. But trouble seeing the action of cutting a throat three times from that position as well. As well as the issue of when DJK picked up the weapon - yes, perhaps from a bedside table. who knows, but if it's not Morgan's and it wasn't something that would normally be set on a bedside table, I have to wonder at what point he grabbed it, and from where.

Apparently MH was stabbed three times in the left side of his neck, not so much the throat. Perhaps DJK had a flick knife or similar in his pocket. Carried it around for protection or whatever. Lots of young guys seem to carry that kind of stuff around.
 
  • #197
Sorry - OT reply - All I can hear is the Song of the Sirens on the highway :(
Relentless this afternoon.

Stay safe FigTree. The wind is horrendous in my part of NSW but no bushfires, thankfully.
 
  • #198
  • #199
MSM is driving me crazy!

Regarding Morgan walking back and forth on the footpath before heading home, as was initially reported. When I google ‘walking back and forth’ this statement shows up in the little blurb under the article’s MSM web address:

“Oct 8, 2013 - Morgan Huxley did not appear to know the man who has been ... the former Hunters Hill High School student walked back and forth a few times ... “

But when you go into the actual article now, the statement has gone!

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/man-arrested-over-morgan-huxley-stabbing-death-20131008-2v50s.html

The everchanging landscape of the details! I’m sure police must have something to do with all of these changes. First they said one thing (when they were looking for a girl perp) - and I recall it was published in lots of different MSM because we discussed it quite a lot - and now they say another thing. :boohoo:

Is this what you are referring to SouthAussie?.

Mr Huxley did not talk to anyone and stood on the pavement opposite Crust Gourmet Pizza Bar for several minutes.

Hard to miss at 189cm tall, the former Hunters Hill High School student walked back and forth a few times before turning onto busy Military Road and walking to his Watson Street unit, less than 100 metres away.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/man-arres...bbing-death-20131008-2v50s.html#ixzz2hy8IAbQV
 
  • #200
Is this what you are referring to SouthAussie?.

Yes - thank you!! And that is the reason that we were speculating that Morgan may have been waiting for someone. Or making himself seen by someone. Or deciding whether or not to continue on to somewhere else.

I know that when I meet some old friends for our monthly after-work dinner at our usual haunt, I tend to walk up a little, then back a little, several times over - until one of them arrives and we go in and wait for the rest to show.

Another friend goes right in and picks a table, then waits. Another one waits in the car until someone shows.
 

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