Deceased/Not Found AUSTRALIA - Ms Lesley Trotter, 78, Homicide, Brisbane, 28 Mar 2023

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  • #701
Thankyou for the image!

Curious to know what word on the street is??

Are people fearful?? Especially the elderly residents??
Well, I certainly am! I walk early in the morning but I go to Mt Coot-tha. I noticed the resident underneath LT's unit now always has her curtains pulled and her door closed. Previously both that unit and LT's unit would keep the wooden door open and the screen door shut (and probably locked too). It could be that the weather is a bit chillier now too. An ex-neighbour to my complex (who had run-ins with LT about cutting through the secret path from time to time) said she would be totally freaked and even though they've moved out, couldn't stop looking at the news for that fortnight.
 
  • #702
Sadly, many of LT's missing posters were taken down about four days ago.

Relatives were at the unit again this morning and just left. So sad for them. I want to leave some flowers at the tree to the right of the photo (just out of shot) where the recycle bins used to be.
 
  • #703
Sadly, many of LT's missing posters were taken down about four days ago.

Relatives were at the unit again this morning and just left. So sad for them. I want to leave some flowers at the tree to the right of the photo (just out of shot) where the recycle bins used to be.
That’s a very kind gesture.
 
  • #704
Sadly, many of LT's missing posters were taken down about four days ago.

Relatives were at the unit again this morning and just left. So sad for them. I want to leave some flowers at the tree to the right of the photo (just out of shot) where the recycle bins used to be.
I was wondering if anyone had started a memorial there like that?? It would be a lovely thoughtful, gesture.

It must be terrible to not feel safe in your own home… very sad…

Do you still see Police coming and going??
 
  • #705
Well, I certainly am! I walk early in the morning but I go to Mt Coot-tha. I noticed the resident underneath LT's unit now always has her curtains pulled and her door closed. Previously both that unit and LT's unit would keep the wooden door open and the screen door shut (and probably locked too). It could be that the weather is a bit chillier now too. An ex-neighbour to my complex (who had run-ins with LT about cutting through the secret path from time to time) said she would be totally freaked and even though they've moved out, couldn't stop looking at the news for that fortnight.
Is there any chance that you know which complex on Maryvale Street that the bin containing LT was situated in front of ??

And is there any chance you know what side of Maryvale Street is regularly collected first when the truck makes its rounds?? LT’s front footpath or the other side of the street??

Sorry for so many questions.. and TIA
 
  • #706
I was wondering if anyone had started a memorial there like that?? It would be a lovely thoughtful, gesture.

It must be terrible to not feel safe in your own home… very sad…

Do you still see Police coming and going??
Safe in my home, yes; going to the bin, not so much. Definitely saying a little prayer every time I go to put rubbish in the bin.

No more police. Not for at least a week. News crews still came by for the backdrop last week but haven't seen anything this week.
 
  • #707
Is there any chance that you know which complex on Maryvale Street that the bin containing LT was situated in front of ??

And is there any chance you know what side of Maryvale Street is regularly collected first when the truck makes its rounds?? LT’s front footpath or the other side of the street??

Sorry for so many questions.. and TIA
Sorry, I don't. I don't know where the blood was found. I saw police at the fenced bin area at no. 56 Maryvale St. I drive down Maryvale st maybe twice per week only, so I have no idea. It is collected quite early in our streets - done before 8am.
 
  • #708
Sorry, I don't. I don't know where the blood was found. I saw police at the fenced bin area at no. 56 Maryvale St. I drive down Maryvale st maybe twice per week only, so I have no idea. It is collected quite early in our streets - done before 8am.
Can you walk to MT Cootha walking tracks from there easily, or do you drive??
And do you know how LT got there usually?? For her walks??

Just wondering as Police were searching there initially, how they though LT may have got there??? OR did they think maybe on her bike initially??
 
  • #709
It is collected quite early in our streets - done before 8am.
Thankyou … I was particularly interested in the time as Police have pushed the timeline for her death out till 12midday on the 28th …
 
  • #710
Can you walk to MT Cootha walking tracks from there easily, or do you drive??
And do you know how LT got there usually?? For her walks??

Just wondering as Police were searching there initially, how they though LT may have got there??? OR did they think maybe on her bike initially??
It takes me about 20 mins brisk walk to Mt Coot-tha Botanic Gardens. Police told me she normally drove there as even though she was quite fit.

They didn't say how they thought she got there. I suggested to police that although she appeared happy about selling and moving on to the next stage of her retirement plans, maybe what she was about to do (leave her unit and move to a retirement home) hit her suddenly and she just took off to Mt Coot-tha in a daze or panic. But they said no, she normally drove there and that wasn't something she would normally do. I called Indooroopilly police when I saw (who I later found out was) her niece putting up the A4 missing poster in the bus stop on Ascog Tce (see screenshot below). TBH, I feel that by the time they questioned us at the unit they had knowledge she wasn't at Mt Coot-tha.

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Edit: typo
 
  • #711
Thankyou … I was particularly interested in the time as Police have pushed the timeline for her death out till 12midday on the 28th …
That puzzled me. As our bins are normally collected quite early, I wondered why that is. Maybe sometimes drivers are delayed and they get collected later. I know in Quinn St they are collected a bit later (after 8.30). Edit: trucks might start in Sherwood Rd, go to Clayton Lane, Maryvale, then onto those other streets working towards Milton Rd.
 
  • #712
TBH, I feel that by the time they questioned us at the unit they had knowledge she wasn't at Mt Coot-tha.
Was that Easter Weekend, (Good Friday) or did Police start door-knocking in the few days before that?? And only brought detectives in on Good Friday??? Just curious….

Please don’t feel like you have to answer my questions…. Absolutely no obligation …
 
  • #713
Was that Easter Weekend, (Good Friday) or did Police start door-knocking in the few days before that?? And only brought detectives in on Good Friday??? Just curious….

Please don’t feel like you have to answer my questions…. Absolutely no obligation …
No worries. I called police on Tue evening 28 March & they called me back on Wed 30 March and door knocked on Saturday 1 April. Came back on Wed 5 April for official statement. Officer said it was 'for the coroner.' *me horrified face* Officer: 'In case of worst case scenario' as it's best to get an early statement for good witness recollection. I think they already knew about finding LT in the bin by 1 April. Just my opinion because asking if my friend had ever seen LT with her feet off the ground when looking into bins...
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That puzzled me. As our bins are normally collected quite early, I wondered why that is. Maybe sometimes drivers are delayed and they get collected later. I know in Quinn St they are collected a bit later (after 8.30). Edit: trucks might start in Sherwood Rd, go to Clayton Lane, Maryvale, then onto those other streets working towards Milton Rd.
Yes that makes sense …

Did you all get new bins??? Everyone in the block?? Or only some units??
 
  • #715
No worries. I called police on Tue evening 28 March & they called me back on Wed 30 March and door knocked on Saturday 1 April. Came back on Wed 5 April for official statement. Officer said it was 'for the coroner.' *me horrified face* Officer: 'In case of worst case scenario' as it's best to get an early statement for good witness recollection. I think they already knew about finding LT in the bin by 1 April. Just my opinion because asking if my friend had ever seen LT with her feet off the ground when looking into bins...
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  • #716
I think they already knew about finding LT in the bin by 1 April.
I personally think so too …. I also personally feel like we are seeing a Police Media Strategy play out, with some respects, to this very sad case …..

Appreciate your replies….
 
  • #717
Yes that makes sense …

Did you all get new bins??? Everyone in the block?? Or only some units??
No one in our complex got new bins. Even the general waste bins at LT's complex don't look brand new but I guess they could be second hand...
 
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I personally think so too …. I also personally feel like we are seeing a Police Media Strategy play out, with some respects, to this very sad case …..

Appreciate your replies….
Media strategy: I 100% agree!

No worries. I want to know what happened to Lesley even more than you all. Unless you are a neighbour too. I've since been told that there is some anxiety and unrest in the neighbourhood from neighbours. And talk of a neighbourhood meet-up in the works too.
 
  • #720
Officer said it was 'for the coroner.'
BBM

Possibly a Freudian “slip up” here.. and could be very telling IMO

Usually, you have a body before you you prepare a report for the Coroner…
Until then, it is just an investigation …

The reasons that could be applicable in this case for a Report to the Coroner are:


Types of reportable deaths​

Unknown identity​

Even if nothing about the death is suspicious, the death of a person with unknown identity must be reported to a coroner unless the identity can be established with enough certainty to register the death.

Fingerprints, photographs, dental examinations or DNA can be used to identify the person.

Violent or unnatural death​

A death is violent or unnatural if caused by accident, suicide or homicide rather than a disease’s natural progression. Car accidents, falls, drowning, electrocutions, drug overdoses, and industrial and domestic accidents are all reported to coroners.

These deaths are reportable even if a delay occurs between the incident causing injury and the death, as long as the injury caused or contributed to the death and the person wouldn’t have died without the injury.

Suspicious death​

Suspicious deaths are generally those where homicide is suspected or cannot be excluded. A suspicious death is also one where the death has occurred unnaturally but it's unclear whether another person has been involved. If police consider there is sufficient evidence to lay criminal charges in connection with the death they may do so. In these cases, the coronial investigation is postponed until those charges are resolved.

Cause of death certificate hasn't been issued and is unlikely to be issued​

Where a patient appears to have died from natural causes, medical practitioners must issue a cause of death certificate if they can determine the probable cause of death. If they can’t, they must report the death to the coroner for an autopsy to determine the medical cause of death.

Assistance is available to help medical practitioners to fulfil this obligation, including:

  • useful information about the issuing of certificates can be found through HealthPathways and Primary Health Networks
  • a forensic physician in the Clinical Forensic Medical Unit at Queensland Health is available during business hours to discuss cases and provide advice
  • the coronial registrar in the Coroners Court is available during business hours and can provide advice about whether it is appropriate to issue a death certificate.
If a medical practitioner cannot form an opinion about the cause of death or has concerns about the circumstances of death, they must report the death to the coroner.

For further information, read - Issuing cause of death certificates for apparent natural causes deaths – a guide for Queensland medical practitioners (PDF, 93.1 KB)

 
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