Found Deceased Australia - Russell Hill, 74, & Carol Clay, 72, Wonnangatta Valley, 20 March 2020 #3

[Kemug]

I wonder if Russell's camping mates have any ideas about who might be responsible for CC and RH's disappearance, and the fire. They would know others with the necessary bushman skills.

 

[SouthAussie]

I wonder if Russell's camping mates have any ideas about who might be responsible for CC and RH's disappearance, and the fire. They would know others with the necessary bushman skills.

For a while now, I have had a feeling that Russell's 30-year mate Rob has his suspicions.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Same here.

For a while now, I have had a feeling that Russell's 30-year mate Rob has his suspicions.

 

[Bats]

Regarding the Police being led to such a specific location miles away from where C and R's camp-site was and finding two shovels, I think that either...

An innocent bystander has seen something suspicious, that is, people thowing shovels out of their car and into the bush...and somehow this has led Police to connect it with the disappearances...possibly the white ute..

...or...

Someone is starting to tell the Police parts of the story. Thus, leading them to the location of the shovels...

JMO

 

[curiouser and curiouser]

I would if I was him. If he does though, wisely he doesn’t appear to be saying them publically.

Ok Working back on the deer hunter theory. What if a Rambo wannabe deer hunter decided to up his game and kill a person instead. (Or maybe it’s not upping his game?....Conrad Whitlock, Niels becket (spelling, sorry), that prison guard etc).

I certainly don’t mean buttonman either, I believe him to be harmless. I know People who have met him, I believe I met him, the general consensus is once he scares them or amuses himself he’s off. Possibly often with their boots. But I’ve never once (genuinely) heard of him frightening families or doing anything other than being a smart****.

And what if RH and CC were in the river at the time. That might account for a lack of blood. Their camp was a stones throw from the river.
I feel like if it was a stray bullet, or a badly identified target, surely they’d have left evidence in their panic.
And say you were Rambo deer hunter gone rogue and knew of an appropriate mine shaft to dump them down, I don’t think (MOO) it’s too far of a stretch to know how to get it to implode on itself and cover it all up. Especially if it is Rambo with a plan rather than a hunting ‘’accident’’. Plenty of shooters load their own bullets and have legal access to things that go bang.

 

[Bats]

Haaaa! Rambo... I'm in a band and we wrote a song about Rambo!

I don't reckon Button man either.

I'd be inclined to think that this was quite a random act. Possibly a rogue "hunter" on ice or something...

 

[55663]

If this is a hunter whos "upped his game" in high country during summer months i wonder if he travels to the Byron bay area in the winter months when the high country is inaccessible. The Theo case to me seems similar to Niels and Russell and Carols. Ill have to have a look at the date when these people have gone missing in the high country vs east coast and see if its possible a person/s could be responsible disappearances in both locations

It kind of makes sense that a hunter whos "upped his game" would want to continue to hunt during the winter. A few to many people have gone missing up there with out a trace recently

 

[Marchalot]

Wow, that's really interesting & suggestsa surprising amount of knowledge and skill about fires
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If this is a hunter whos "upped his game" in high country during summer months i wonder if he travels to the Byron bay area in the winter months when the high country is inaccessible. The Theo case to me seems similar to Niels and Russell and Carols. Ill have to have a look at the date when these people have gone missing in the high country vs east coast and see if its possible a person/s could be responsible disappearances in both locations

It kind of makes sense that a hunter whos "upped his game" would want to continue to hunt during the winter. A few to many people have gone missing up there with out a trace recently

I can't imagine someone from Byron hanging out in the high country. . Both places have dark forces

 

[Marchalot]

Keep going back to this this thought, besides another.

Haaaa! Rambo... I'm in a band and we wrote a song about Rambo!

I don't reckon Button man either.

I'd be inclined to think that this was quite a random act. Possibly a rogue "hunter" on ice or something...

 

[curiouser and curiouser]

I might be out, it was only a quick google, but:

RH Cc missing March 20, 2020
Conrad Whitlock missing July 29 2019
Niels Becker missing October 24-29, 2019
Theo missing may 31st 2020

All the second half of the month and not over summer. Whatever that might mean. If the dates are right.

Well actually... it jumps out at me that they might be a bit too busy over summer. Potentially doing summer crew or fire related work. Might account for how they’re so handy up the bush. Could Also just work in a tourist town like Lakes and not be able to get away. Or as I said ^^ potentially means nothing.

 

[curiouser and curiouser]

Keep going back to this this thought, besides another.

Curious what the other thought is, .or is it too difficult to write without essentially targeting someone?

 

[Marchalot]

From the start my first thought more than another was possibly a methed up hunter/s . . I'm not quiet decided on the other as yet . . Sorry for the let down curious

Curious what the other thought is, .or is it too difficult to write without essentially targeting someone?

 

[SouthAussie]

Regarding the Police being led to such a specific location miles away from where C and R's camp-site was and finding two shovels, I think that either...

An innocent bystander has seen something suspicious, that is, people thowing shovels out of their car and into the bush...and somehow this has led Police to connect it with the disappearances...possibly the white ute..

...or...

Someone is starting to tell the Police parts of the story. Thus, leading them to the location of the shovels...

JMO

There is something that jumped out at me - in an article I was reading tonight - that I hadn't noticed before. Something DI Combridge said.

BBM
“It’s really important to bear in mind that we’re not dealing with looking in a paddock with grass. Some of these bushes are so thick that we might not find what we’re looking for.”

Missing campers: Russell Hill and Carol Clay search takes fresh turn

 

[curiouser and curiouser]

There is something that jumped out at me - in an article I was reading tonight - that I hadn't noticed before. Something DI Combridge said.

BBM
“It’s really important to bear in mind that we’re not dealing with looking in a paddock with grass. Some of these bushes are so thick that we might not find what we’re looking for.”

Missing campers: Russell Hill and Carol Clay search takes fresh turn

Shovels are relatively large, and in this instance they are white. Maybe they were hoping to find (perhaps they did and didn’t announce it) something else much smaller and harder to distinguish. A phone or drone

Another thought. Is there anything to say the shovels were ditched at the time of the disappearance rather than more recently when perhaps the person responsible felt they needed to get rid of them because the Police were getting a bit close.

 

[SouthAussie]

Shovels are relatively large, and in this instance they are white. Maybe they were hoping to find (perhaps they did and didn’t announce it) something else much smaller and harder to distinguish. A phone or drone

Another thought. Is there anything to say the shovels were ditched at the time of the disappearance rather than more recently when perhaps the person responsible felt they needed to get rid of them because the Police were getting a bit close.

There was something in that brown evidence bag. Something that the officer who was holding the bag felt that he needed to put his hand underneath the bag to support it (in the photo of him standing by the police vehicle).

The thing about the sentence I noticed is that they seemed to have something very specific in mind that they were looking for. It wasn't a wild goose chase, per se. I feel Bats is likely on the right track in the post that I responded to.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

They did say they were hoping to find the drone.

 

[SouthAussie]

They did say they were hoping to find the drone.

Oh, they said that about that particular search? The search in which they found the shovels? I must have missed that somehow.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

NoCookies | The Australian

Yesterday detectives said they hoped to find Mr Hill’s missing drone, but police would not comment about any further discoveries beyond the shovels.

 

[SouthAussie]

Thanks Tootsie, I definitely missed that. And I believe that I even read that article, obviously didn't read it very well.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It just stood out to me that seemingly out of the blue quite a few km away, they were hoping to find the drone.

I just thought there must have been some reason to say it, unless a journalist asked about it, and the reply was that they were hoping to find it.
That actually makes more sense.