Found Deceased Australia - Russell Hill, 74, & Carol Clay, 72, Wonnangatta Valley, 20 March 2020 #3

[Marchalot]

You look like you've been to Antarctica & bit thirsty

 

[SouthAussie]

I was thinking about where you could hide a body. Seems plenty of places there if you know the area well enough.

Then I thought of the long drop toilet. I googled it and there have been cases where people fell down them and a case in Victoria where body parts were found in one. https://www.smh.com.au/national/police-find-remainder-of-torsos-body-20080411-25ea.html

I imagine the toilets have been checked out. Are they ones that have a big long pan, or ones that are just a hole in the ground. Sort of hiding in plain sight.

I have to say, that thought crossed my mind the other day. Because they said the white dual cab ute was possibly seen near the long drop toilet.
Don't they put chemical/sanitising agents into those toilets every once in a while? To break down the 'materials'.


"Now we understand that this vehicle was parked near the long drop toilet, or the public toilet and a small suspension bridge over the Wonnangatta River river, which is, is within fairly close proximity to where we know that Russell and Carol camped," Detective Inspector Andrew Stamper said.
Police looking for ute in search for missing campers Carol Clay and Russell Hill

 

[curiouser and curiouser]

I was wondering about the toilets. They stink on a good day.

I think they get emptied. (Well I’m pretty sure that’s what I saw happening to one of them).

Hiding in plain site, and it’s ridiculous but it goes with the current discussion perfectly... is the people who go Around Maintaining them and the other assets there. Would they be called rangers? I’m Not sure. But they seem to drive white utes (like most of the local Population, but still). Ridiculous thought, I know. But nonetheless it won’t leave my mind.

 

[everybodhi]

You look like you've been to Antarctica & bit thirsty

Just a cold night at the long drop dunny

 

[Monsoon]

Were both mobile phones missing? I think I read that a mobile phone on a charger was originally considered a possible cause of the tent fire. But I have also read that "both" phones were missing?

 

[Monsoon]

I wonder if the police have checked any video footage from petrol stations in Harrietville from the time. I'm sure they would have, as it would be likely that someone would be low on petrol if they'd just had an unplanned, circuitous route through the Wonnagatta Valley.

 

[Kemug]

I digress just a little, but I hope you'll enjoy this little story. Way back in my youth on the farm, we had a long drop. Down the back a fair way, in my mother's beautiful garden. It did have a door, but why bother? So when it was being used, it was common for one of our numerous cats to join us for some company (can you see where this is heading?) Yes, one day a cat jumped up onto a lap just as that person moved away, and pussy went plunging downward. The only possible way to rescue Puss was from outside via the back, where a big concrete slab covered a big hole. Eventually Puss climbed a ladder to freedom, following a piece of meat on a string. What a sight! And it fell to my poor mother to bath her. Ah, happy days!

 

[they'll get you]

"The most common and easiest round to get is the .22 caliber. It can travel around 1.5 miles at a 12,000 foot altitude," Paskiewicz said.

Many factors go into where a bullet travels like wind, obstacles, weight of bullet and trajectory.
"The most common and easiest round to get is the .22 caliber. It can travel around 1.5 miles at a 12,000 foot altitude," Paskiewicz said.

Many factors go into where a bullet travels like wind, obstacles, weight of bullet and trajectory.
"A .45 caliber bullet can go about 5,000 ft. in distance with the same factors involved,"
"A 9 mm can travel 2.5 to 3 miles, sometimes a little further depending on the shape of the bullet," he said.

Having collateral damage with a firearm that's discharged wildly is very likely that someone can cause death or injury
Expert: 'The average person doesn't realize how far a bullet from a gun travels' | wbir.com

 

[they'll get you]

Gun Safety: Ammunition Maximum Range

 

[they'll get you]

A look at the most popular cartridges for deer hunting


.30-06 Springfield (308)
Adopted by the U.S. military in the early years of the 20th century, the .30-06 Springfield was also a big hit among American hunters. Indeed, hunters all over the world have developed a strong affinity for the .30-06 and it has seen widespread use in Africa, Alaska, Australia, Canada, Europe, and New Zealand (among many other places) as well.
https://exclusive.multibriefs.com/c...artridges-for-deer-hunting/recreation-leisure



30-06 share many common traits. They both use bullets of identical . 308-inch diameter in a weight range typically around 140-180 grains. Both are respected for their accuracy, moderate recoil, and impressive effective range (nominally 1000 yards, depending on who you ask).

1000 yards = 914.4 meters. Let's just say that's one kilometer!

 

[they'll get you]

When friends were doing some cross country horse riding they heard bullets wizzing past their heads from a mountain and all they could do was to yell and scream to alert the idiot drongos randomly firing somewhere on the hill.

The horseriders believe a silencer was being used as they could only the bullets travelling past and not the gun shot. The gun shot would've echoed through the valley.

I experienced this once when a fool neighbour was target shooting and bullets were wizzing past out heads.

You'll know the sound it if ever it happens to you.

 

[ThaiBali]

Does anyone have a photo of the long drop in question. Is it like a toilet block usually seen around the country with men/ladies set-up with hand basins etc.

For some reason I have a white toilet block imbedded in my brain and no idea why.

 

[4Erica]

Maya Angelou:
When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

“See, I’m a bit of a sadist."

Sadist: a person who derives pleasure, especially sexual gratification, from inflicting pain or humiliation on others.

"..then he can face the music if he is still alive."

 

[Catmommy]

There's what appears to a controlled burn of the campsite that extinguished before it got out of hand. There is personal property locked in a truck that is barely damaged by the fire and still easily drivable. There is no evidence of injury or death at the scene - squashing someone in their sleeping bag would leave some kind of physical evidence. Except for the fact that they haven't yet shown back up there is NO proof the two are dead, murdered or otherwise. They might be. I hope they aren't.

 

[4Erica]

Why leave all that identification laying around if their accidental deaths are being concealed?

 

[Marchalot]

I was wondering about the toilets. They stink on a good day.

I think they get emptied. (Well I’m pretty sure that’s what I saw happening to one of them).

Hiding in plain site, and it’s ridiculous but it goes with the current discussion perfectly... is the people who go Around Maintaining them and the other assets there. Would they be called rangers? I’m Not sure. But they seem to drive white utes (like most of the local Population, but still). Ridiculous thought, I know. But nonetheless it won’t leave my

I was wondering about the toilets. They stink on a good day.

I think they get emptied. (Well I’m pretty sure that’s what I saw happening to one of them).

Hiding in plain site, and it’s ridiculous but it goes with the current discussion perfectly... is the people who go Around Maintaining them and the other assets there. Would they be called rangers? I’m Not sure. But they seem to drive white utes (like most of the local Population, but still). Ridiculous thought, I know. But nonetheless it won’t leave my mind.

I think the rangers utes up there are the isuzu, they look a bit smaller than the white ute pictured

 

[Lemony]

The crime scene seems staged to me…the fire controlled, with the truck deliberately left intact so as the perpetrator/s had the opportunity to make it look like a robbery gone wrong, rifling through personal belongings and removing some items. An attempt to throw police off.

If the disappearance is connected to someone known to them, RH & CC wouldn’t necessarily have been followed for days, either of them may have mentioned details about the camping trip in the days or weeks prior.

It’s a fairly rare crime in Australia IMO for two people to be murdered together in some random act. Very possible though!

 

[Theodora]

I am nagged by the feeling that she meant something else. In an earlier reply I suggested she might have meant "realist" but I now favour "fatalist". We don't know anything much about RbH, her education level, the extent of her life experience since marrying RH. She says she's coping and has support but who knows how she thinks or feels? I think she might think "sadist" means something other than it does.
I'm friendly with a well educated, intelligent woman who nevertheless comes out with the most amazing malapropisms over the years, rapeable for ropeable, tenacity used in a context that made clear she meant either temerity or audacity. That might be all there is to the use of sadist here.

“See, I’m a bit of a sadist"

 

[curiouser and curiouser]

Does anyone have a photo of the long drop in question. Is it like a toilet block usually seen around the country with men/ladies set-up with hand basins etc.

For some reason I have a white toilet block imbedded in my brain and no idea why.

This is one of them in Won, closer to the station, I can’t remember if the one closest to their camp was the same or not.

Edit., There’s one back down at Hawkhurst that’s much the same - corrugated tin but The same long skinny shape.

 

[Theodora]

I am nagged by the feeling that she meant something else. In an earlier reply I suggested she might have meant "realist" but I now favour "fatalist". We don't know anything much about RbH, her education level, the extent of her life experience since marrying RH. She says she's coping and has support but who knows how she thinks or feels? I think she might think "sadist" means something other than it does.
I'm friendly with a well educated, intelligent woman who nevertheless comes out with the most amazing malapropisms over the years, rapeable for ropeable, tenacity used in a context that made clear she meant either temerity or audacity. That might be all there is to the use of sadist here.

“See, I’m a bit of a sadist"