Found Deceased Australia - Russell Hill, 74, & Carol Clay, 72, Wonnangatta Valley, 20 March 2020

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  • #561
Maybe at the last moment he tried to raise the alarm when he sensed danger.
I think if that was the case he would have just raised the alarm. There would be no reason he couldn't have said on the radio that he was concerned about something.
 
  • #562
Maybe the reason was that someone was holding a gun on him.
 
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Paul...that is what I have thought all along...the ham radio call at Wonnangatta Station sealed their fate. Someone tracked them from that place to their campsite.
 
  • #566
That doesn't seem to be consistent with someone who was only in the area the previous weekend and was supposedly familiar with the area having previously worked in logging around there and was also a 'meticulous camper' who should have had detailed maps/topographical maps of the area!
yes, I agree. Asking for driving directions doesn't fit RH's profile at all. Rh was said to know the valley like the back of his hand. Why this case generates so much contrary and misinformation is a head scratcher.
 
  • #567
Yes it's fanciful. But look, we're still on different pages about the timing. My understanding is that he made the radio call on 20 March. Left Carol's Pakenham home at 7:30am 19 March, and after what should have been a five-hour drive, around thirty-four hours later there they are setting up camp in Wonnangatta, and eighteen hours after that the campsite is burnt and cold. So what happened between Thursday morning and Friday evening? There's room there for a motive to have arisen--somebody annoyed about being tracked by the drone--or a meeting with someone already known to them.
JLZ, that is really a long drive from the Wonnangatta Station to where RH and CC set up camp for the night--especially when RH said he had to go because it was getting dark. I assumed after their last ham radio call at the WS, they drove a much shorter distance to set up camp, however, following the 5 hour drive timeline, it would place them setting up camp in the dark after midnight. It would seem if anyone was following them they would have seen the headlights of the tagging vehicle behind them, unless the vehicle keep a far distance behind them. The idea of driving 5 hours in the dark, and then setting up their campsite after midnight seems hard to fathom to me, especially if they had been driving all day before making their last ham radio call at dusk.
 
  • #568
JLZ, that is really a long drive from the Wonnangatta Station to where RH and CC set up camp for the night--especially when RH said he had to go because it was getting dark. I assumed after their last ham radio call at the WS, they drove a much shorter distance to set up camp, however, following the 5 hour drive timeline, it would place them setting up camp in the dark after midnight. It would seem if anyone was following them they would have seen the headlights of the tagging vehicle behind them, unless the vehicle keep a far distance behind them. The idea of driving 5 hours in the dark, and then setting up their campsite after midnight seems hard to fathom to me, especially if they had been driving all day before making their last ham radio call at dusk.
I don't understand. For one thing 7:30am Thursday plus five hours is early Thursday afternoon and it isn't a drive in the dark. The radio call was Friday.
 
  • #569
I don't understand. For one thing 7:30am Thursday plus five hours is early Thursday afternoon and it isn't a drive in the dark. The radio call was Friday.
He didn’t ham radio it then drive some where. Setting up that deal is a huge pain in the behind. One of the guys here talked about the cables, radio antenna 2000 feet into the air, or whatever height it was, (yes, I know, that was sarcasm) have to hook up all kinds of stuff. Wherever he was, it was not in a good area for reception. It’d be interesting if LE would set up the same ham radio stuff exactly where the original was found burned, and try to chat on it to other operators. They’d be able to tell if transmission was poor or not from the spot where the equipment was found. One clue solved. Does weather interfere? Better be sure weather conditions the same.
 
  • #570
I don't understand. For one thing 7:30am Thursday plus five hours is early Thursday afternoon and it isn't a drive in the dark. The radio call was Friday.
JLZ...not sure what you mean...are you saying you don't think it was getting dark when RH placed his very last ham radio call at the Wonnangatta Station...and said he had to end the call because it was getting dark and he still needed to set up his campsite? According to the daily mail article published yesterday (June 25) "a friend of Mr Hill's for almost three decades, is the last known person to speak to him via an amateur radio network around 6pm on March 20." Here is a webpage with the sunrise/sunset for Victoria Australia...March 20th the sunset at 7:31pm--roughly 90 minutes after RH's radio call. Wouldn't it be extremely challenging to drive even 4 hours in the dark--find an area to camp and then setup everything outside your vehicle for evening?? Is it possible their campsite was a lot closer to the Wonnangatta Station?
Sunrise and sunset times in Melbourne, March 2020
 
  • #571
The more I read on this case the more confusing it gets.

It appears they left Thursday morning 19 March at 7.30am, so they must have stayed somewhere the night enroute. Then they would have set up camp there and in the morning repacked and moved to where the burnt camp and vehicle was found at Wonnganatta Campground. So presumably, their holiday was to be moving from one camp area to the other, as he was talking to his ham radio friend about going to Dargo. Carol had told friends she wasn't expecting to be home until 28/29 March.
 
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JLZ...not sure what you mean...are you saying you don't think it was getting dark when RH placed his very last ham radio call at the Wonnangatta Station...and said he had to end the call because it was getting dark and he still needed to set up his campsite? According to the daily mail article published yesterday (June 25) "a friend of Mr Hill's for almost three decades, is the last known person to speak to him via an amateur radio network around 6pm on March 20." Here is a webpage with the sunrise/sunset for Victoria Australia...March 20th the sunset at 7:31pm--roughly 90 minutes after RH's radio call. Wouldn't it be extremely challenging to drive even 4 hours in the dark--find an area to camp and then setup everything outside your vehicle for evening?? Is it possible their campsite was a lot closer to the Wonnangatta Station?
Sunrise and sunset times in Melbourne, March 2020
No, I'm not suggesting they were driving after the radio call. I think the clue to what happened might have something to do with where they were earlier in the day, and the day before. The timeline I've seen has them leaving home in the outskirts of Melbourne early on 19th March. The radio call from the Wonnangatta Station area was shortly before dusk on 20th March. We know they travelled through Heyfield and Licola, which is what you'd expect. But the journey from Carol's place at Pakenham (outer Melbourne) to Wonnangatta only takes about five hours. So I want to know where they spent the afternoon of 19th March, the night of 19th-20th March, and most of the day of 20th March. As Russell asked for directions to Dargo in the radio call, it's reasonable to think they hadn't spent the time at Dargo, although I was considering that possibility a few days ago. I think there's a good chance he was continuing on from what he was doing the week before, when he was exploring with his drone near the intersection of Bluff Track and King Billy Track. This fits with the police request to be contacted by anyone who was in the area of Mt Howitt/Howitt Plains on 19th or 20th March.
 
  • #573
No, I'm not suggesting they were driving after the radio call. I think the clue to what happened might have something to do with where they were earlier in the day, and the day before. The timeline I've seen has them leaving home in the outskirts of Melbourne early on 19th March. The radio call from the Wonnangatta Station area was shortly before dusk on 20th March. We know they travelled through Heyfield and Licola, which is what you'd expect. But the journey from Carol's place at Pakenham (outer Melbourne) to Wonnangatta only takes about five hours. So I want to know where they spent the afternoon of 19th March, the night of 19th-20th March, and most of the day of 20th March. As Russell asked for directions to Dargo in the radio call, it's reasonable to think they hadn't spent the time at Dargo, although I was considering that possibility a few days ago. I think there's a good chance he was continuing on from what he was doing the week before, when he was exploring with his drone near the intersection of Bluff Track and King Billy Track. This fits with the police request to be contacted by anyone who was in the area of Mt Howitt/Howitt Plains on 19th or 20th March.
Thank you, JLZ...I see what you are driving at now.
 
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JLZ I read again this article that talks about RH's previous two trips to Bluff Track and King Billy Track, and the sightings of them in this area after they went missing--"Mr Hill made two trips to the remote area in the space of a week — travelling there alone to Bluff Track and King Billy with his drone on March 11-13, the week before he took Ms Clay camping."
High Country mystery deepens as police investigate 'new sightings' of missing campers
You would think anybody seeing someone in that remote area would have a crystallized memory of the event--the description of who they saw certainly fits CC, IMO.
 
  • #575
JLZ--ok, I think your idea is a good one--RH took CC to the Bluff Track /King Billy Track area--where he had been twice in the week March 11-13 to fly the drone before heading to the W. Station to make his last known call on March 20th. So what do you think happened there?
 
  • #576
it seems odd rh wasnt wearing his hat if the scenario is they were out that day with the drone,
it was still locked in the car,
and also why is the "secret affair" constantly mentioned if it supposedly has no bearing on the case?
and was wilderness camping the only way they ever got to spend time alone together,
with cc only saying she would be away a few days?
 
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  • #578
it seems odd rh wasnt wearing his hat if the scenario is they were out that day with the drone,
it was still locked in the car,
and also why is the "secret affair" constantly mentioned if it supposedly has no bearing on the case?
and was wilderness camping the only way they ever got to spend time alone together,
with cc only saying she would be away a few days?

Leaving his hat in the vehicle is another reason why I think that whatever happened, happened either during the night or early morning.

Carol told her friends she would be back around 28/29 March, so that is more like 10 days.
 
  • #579
He didn’t ham radio it then drive some where. Setting up that deal is a huge pain in the behind. One of the guys here talked about the cables, radio antenna 2000 feet into the air, or whatever height it was, (yes, I know, that was sarcasm) have to hook up all kinds of stuff. Wherever he was, it was not in a good area for reception. It’d be interesting if LE would set up the same ham radio stuff exactly where the original was found burned, and try to chat on it to other operators. They’d be able to tell if transmission was poor or not from the spot where the equipment was found. One clue solved. Does weather interfere? Better be sure weather conditions the same.
Yes...it does take time to set up everything and having trees makes things easier....and I too thought it was a little odd he was having transmission problems during his last radio call...weather and other electronic devices can cause reception problems...here is a cute short video clip of a gal hiking and then setting up her radio--it shows what a basic radio set up involves.
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  • #580
it seems odd rh wasnt wearing his hat if the scenario is they were out that day with the drone,
it was still locked in the car,
and also why is the "secret affair" constantly mentioned if it supposedly has no bearing on the case?
and was wilderness camping the only way they ever got to spend time alone together,
with cc only saying she would be away a few days?
BearBear--yes, you bring up some good points; it does seem quizzical why RH and CC's relationship is described a few different ways depending on who is being asked about it...and, was going on remote camping trips together the only place where they could have fun with each other and not been seen? It seems like they both had a lot of energy and thrill seeking personalities to an extent. I am not sure I could handle the roads, the wild animals, the weather, and everything else in the Wonnangatta Valley, unless I was traveling with a fairly large group of people, and I am 7 years younger than they are! Seeing them out there at 73/74 years old traveling by 4 wheel drive on hairy roads and crossing running river beds, and camping all by themselves in total darkness save for a camp fire, flashlights, and possible portable solar power is amazing to me.
 
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