Australia - Russell Hill & Carol Clay Murdered While Camping - Wonnangatta Valley, 2020 #7

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‘Shambolic’ prosecution case criticised by Lynn defence | Brimbank & North West

Lawyers for a man accused of killing two campers and burning their bodies have labelled the prosecution’s case as “a shambles from start to finish”. Both sides began closing their cases before a Supreme Court jury in Melbourne on Tuesday 11 June, in the fifth week of the double murder trial of...

brimbanknorthwest.starweekly.com.au

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Double camper murder trial enters final days

Accused killer Greg Lynn's legal team will continue closing their case before a jury as his double murder trial enters its final days.

au.news.yahoo.com

 

[Cliff Hardy]

‘Shambolic’ prosecution case criticised by Lynn defence | Brimbank & North West

Lawyers for a man accused of killing two campers and burning their bodies have labelled the prosecution’s case as “a shambles from start to finish”. Both sides began closing their cases before a Supreme Court jury in Melbourne on Tuesday 11 June, in the fifth week of the double murder trial of...

brimbanknorthwest.starweekly.com.au

"Lawyers for a man accused of killing two campers and burning their bodies have labelled the prosecution’s case as “a shambles from start to finish”.

Well the defence's case was fantasy story from start to finish.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

I expect this one to take some time. I'm guessing that there will be two camps in the jury room: those who flat out don't believe Lynn and those who don't know what to believe. How many are in each camp is the question.

I don't think there will be many in the latter category. If any at all.

The jury has heard from 49 witnesses. The prosecution called 48 of them. The defence called none other than Lynn himself and that already looks like it backfired.

I'm anticipating all 12 have already made up their minds and will be delivering a guilty verdict inside an hour.

 

[Kemug]

I don't think there will be many in the latter category. If any at all.

The jury has heard from 49 witnesses. The prosecution called 48 of them. The defence called none other than Lynn himself and that already looks like it backfired.

I'm anticipating all 12 have already made up their minds and will be delivering a guilty verdict inside an hour.

I certainly hope so. It would be such a travesty of justice if GL gets away with it.

 

[timezone]

I certainly hope so. It would be such a travesty of justice if GL gets away with it.

I have just listened to D.D. speaking to jury. This morning he is much more composed.( no name calling etc.) He has made quite a lot about how jury must consider G.L. innocent before considering the evidence, and only find guilty if the evidence has shown reasonable doubt. ( paraphrasing )He has done this with each of the 20 "lowlights" , including the guy rope.

 

[jjleroche]

I don't think there will be many in the latter category. If any at all.

The jury has heard from 49 witnesses. The prosecution called 48 of them. The defence called none other than Lynn himself and that already looks like it backfired.

I'm anticipating all 12 have already made up their minds and will be delivering a guilty verdict inside an hour.

Desperation tactics (JMO) having the accused testify.

I'm interested to know how credible he seemed when testifying. I'm guessing that considerable effort would have
been put into this aspect by the defence (since they didn't have anything else...) physical presentation, eg clean-shaven, attire, his demeanour, the way addressed the court (ie he face the jury and the judge at relevant times), did he appear to be sincere?

Any particular nuances noticed when he mentioned (paraphrasing) that if he were found guilty, that would put his wife and stepson in a parlous financial position.

(In a nutshell, did he display the right "vibe"? (Apologies to "The Castle" screenwriter.)

I have had a look through posts, but haven't found anything very specific so far.

TIA if anyone can elaborate.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

From the bits that were released about his behaviour in the witness box, he seemed quite a bit different to the man who gave the Police statement.

Reading between the lines of his police statement, my conclusion is that he thought of himself as the real victim.

 

[ProfCluezo]

From the bits that were released about his behaviour in the witness box, he seemed quite a bit different to the man who gave the Police statement.

Reading between the lines of his police statement, my conclusion is that he thought of himself as the real victim.

Interesting…. That in itself speaks volumes to me…. As does the appeal re the financial situation of his wife and son….

I would suggest that by his own account (if one assumes it is accurate), GL is actually the LUCKY one as he was the only member of three who survived two apparently “accidental” deaths during the course of two alleged struggles… that were fatal for the other two people involved… ?

On the subject of finances, I don’t think that is relevant to GLs guilt or innocence surely? So mention of that is for the purpose of ?guilt tripping? the jury??

I wonder what, exactly GL is doing currently to provide for his family given he appears to not be flying..? And who is paying his legal bills?

JMO

 

[stacey_victoria]

Reading between the lines of his police statement, my conclusion is that he thought of himself as the real victim.

He really does... I mean how unlucky he was to have this elderly couple there to ruin his happy career, relationship, family and memberships into exclusive GUN clubs and overall life by both accidentally dying!! I just feel sooo bad for him.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Interesting…. That in itself speaks volumes to me…

It's just my opinion. He seems to have toned down the poor him once he was in the witness box.

 

[ProfCluezo]

It's just my opinion. He seems to have toned down the poor him once he was in the witness box.

Probably under instruction from his lawyers I’m guessing…

 

[emirates1957]

Has he ever said that in hindsight he wishes that he had just gone to LE and told them how it happened? No? Thought not.

At court the other day he did say that it did not occur to him to go to LE (he just wanted to distance himself as much as possible).

 

[emirates1957]

Desperation tactics (JMO) having the accused testify.

I'm interested to know how credible he seemed when testifying. I'm guessing that considerable effort would have
been put into this aspect by the defence (since they didn't have anything else...) physical presentation, eg clean-shaven, attire, his demeanour, the way addressed the court (ie he face the jury and the judge at relevant times), did he appear to be sincere?

Any particular nuances noticed when he mentioned (paraphrasing) that if he were found guilty, that would put his wife and stepson in a parlous financial position.

(In a nutshell, did he display the right "vibe"? (Apologies to "The Castle" screenwriter.)

I have had a look through posts, but haven't found anything very specific so far.

TIA if anyone can elaborate.

He presented extremely well, cool, calm and collected….quite articulate and well dressed….he never looked at the Jury and perhaps the judge twice.

 

[drsleuth]

He presented extremely well, cool, calm and collected….quite articulate and well dressed….he never looked at the Jury and perhaps the judge twice.

Interesting that he could not look the people in the eye who are tasked with his future!

Speaks volumes to me . Loud sirens even.

 

[jjleroche]

Interesting…. That in itself speaks volumes to me…. As does the appeal re the financial situation of his wife and son….

I would suggest that by his own account (if one assumes it is accurate), GL is actually the LUCKY one as he was the only member of three who survived two apparently “accidental” deaths during the course of two alleged struggles… that were fatal for the other two people involved… ?

On the subject of finances, I don’t think that is relevant to GLs guilt or innocence surely? So mention of that is for the purpose of ?guilt tripping? the jury??

I wonder what, exactly GL is doing currently to provide for his family given he appears to not be flying..? And who is paying his legal bills?

JMO

Absolutely ProfCluezo! That he would even MENTION his family's financial situation should he be found guilty is just nauseating IMO.
(I don't think he did himself any favours there - IMO that wouldn't sit well with the jury. Definitely pressing the guilt trip button IMO).

The indescribable loss experienced by numerous other parties as a result of GL's alleged actions, compared to his family still having a mortgage to repay...

Yeah? NAH!!!!!

JMO

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Desperation tactics (JMO) having the accused testify.

I'm interested to know how credible he seemed when testifying. I'm guessing that considerable effort would have
been put into this aspect by the defence (since they didn't have anything else...) physical presentation, eg clean-shaven, attire, his demeanour, the way addressed the court (ie he face the jury and the judge at relevant times), did he appear to be sincere?

Any particular nuances noticed when he mentioned (paraphrasing) that if he were found guilty, that would put his wife and stepson in a parlous financial position.

(In a nutshell, did he display the right "vibe"? (Apologies to "The Castle" screenwriter.)

I have had a look through posts, but haven't found anything very specific so far.

TIA if anyone can elaborate.

Regarding facing the jury. An old trick is to stand in the witness box with your feet pointing towards the jury. That way, no matter how much you might glance around the room, you always default back to facing the jury.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

He has made quite a lot about how jury must consider G.L. innocent before considering the evidence, and only find guilty if the evidence has shown reasonable doubt. ( paraphrasing )

That would be Jury Duty 101 if you had got the context correct. Read it again.

 

[ProfCluezo]

At court the other day he did say that it did not occur to him to go to LE (he just wanted to distance himself as much as possible).

Wow…. That’s quite a statement about his sense of morality (or lack thereof), and empathy (or lack thereof) for others….

Sounds to me like a clear statement of a life philosophy that revolves around “look after number one!” Vs “treat thy neighbours as thyself”…

JMO

 

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‘He was selfish’: Greg Lynn covered up deaths because he believed he would be blamed, murder trial told

Victorian supreme court hears closing arguments in trial of ex-Jetstar pilot who has pleaded not guilty to murdering Russell Hill and Carol Clay

www.theguardian.com

‘He was selfish’: Greg Lynn covered up deaths because he believed he would be blamed, murder trial told​