Australia - Russell Hill & Carol Clay Murdered While Camping - Wonnangatta Valley, 2020 #9

  • #461
There's an interesting article tonight in 'The Age' by John Silvester and how Debbie Hill is planning to sue GL through the Civil Court to get justice for her father. Behind a paywall but well worth reading if you are able to.

Also in the SMH:

(paraphrased)

Debbie Hill, Russell's daughter, wants to sue Lynn in order for inadmissible evidence in his criminal trial to be aired publicly.

She strongly believes that, had the jury heard this this suppressed evidence, then they would have convicted Lynn for the murder of Russell Hill.

 
  • #462
Also in the SMH:

(paraphrased)

Debbie Hill, Russell's daughter, wants to sue Lynn in order for inadmissible evidence in his criminal trial to be aired publicly.

She strongly believes that, had the jury heard this this suppressed evidence, then they would have convicted Lynn for the murder of Russell Hill.

IMO the very very small percentage of people who somehow believe Lynn’s story would diminish to ZERO if they were to hear all of the inadmissible evidence that could not be heard at the murder trial.

I really hope Lynn is snookered now and his appeal is rejected.

Good on you Debbie Hill, go hard, pretty sure 99 per cent of people are behind you.
 
  • #463
There’s a very small part of me that thinks that Dann can’t stand the prick but is doing his job very competently.
Dann is no fool. I'd be amazed if he isn't repulsed by murdering psychopaths.
 
  • #464
Dann is no fool. I'd be amazed if he isn't repulsed by murdering psychopaths.
So he suggested: Why don't you testify, they'll totally believe you!
 
  • #465
So he suggested: Why don't you testify, they'll totally believe you!

Haha!
To me, the statements from Dann below have a wiff of facetiousness or sarcasm. I'm sure they're basically Lynn’s words but ....

“He maintains that he told zero lies in that [police] interview"
“He maintains that he’s never killed any person at any time at any place, anywhere, ever.”
 
  • #466
Listen to Russell Hill’s daughter speaking to Ross and Russ alongside Sly on 3AW Breakfast, Ms Hill said it was a “big shock” some of the evidence against Mr Lynn was deemed inadmissible and not heard before the court.

 
  • #467
Haha!
To me, the statements from Dann below have a wiff of facetiousness or sarcasm. I'm sure they're basically Lynn’s words but ....

“He maintains that he told zero lies in that [police] interview"
“He maintains that he’s never killed any person at any time at any place, anywhere, ever.”
Must admit, I wondered about that too. Dann and Daniel Porceddu have probably shared a laugh about that one over a red.
 
  • #468
Listen to Russell Hill’s daughter speaking to Ross and Russ alongside Sly on 3AW Breakfast, Ms Hill said it was a “big shock” some of the evidence against Mr Lynn was deemed inadmissible and not heard before the court.

It is a sad legal system that allows the victims of a murderer to be character assassinated in court while the murderer sits there as a protected species.
 
  • #469
Do yourself a favour and listen as Russell Hill's daughter (Debbie) speaks on radio.
Debbie needs help to pursue GL in a Civil case.

MISSION: OK Melbourne lawyers - I suggest you accept this Civil case (pro-bono and help Russell Hill's family)

Take on GL !!

It is also mentioned - that a crowd funding would assist in this case - and I agree.

#sueGL

 
  • #470
MISSION: OK Melbourne lawyers - I suggest you accept this Civil case (pro-bono and help Russell Hill's family)

If she starts a Go Fund Me or similar, then I will be more than happy to contribute.
 
  • #471

Inside the high-stakes police surveillance operation that brought down Greg Lynn​



How LE got inside the Lynn home undiscovered.

Behind a paywall, I think. Posting it here for those who subscribe
Hi @TootsieFootsie You have me intrigued now Are you able to paraphrase how they infact gained entry?
 
  • #472
Hi @TootsieFootsie You have me intrigued now Are you able to paraphrase how they infact gained entry?
I'm not Tootsie - but, here you go...

Here is part of it - remember whilst Melbourne was in lockdown due to Covid19 - most people were at home and the warrant was running out - they decided to go "in" whilst all family members were present/asleep (including the gamer-son)

IMO - Amazing work, by 3 fit men (phoar) - and no doubt with night-goggles on !! (think TRG - tactical response/SOG's)
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'Inside the high-stakes police surveillance operation that brought down Greg Lynn

Normally, after being granted warrants to covertly install surveillance equipment, they would spend a few days monitoring the patterns of the household and identify an hour or two when they could be reasonably certain no one was in the house.

A specialised team would quickly enter and install tiny devices through ceiling cavities and wall cavities. The tips of these devices, each no bigger than a pin, were almost invisible to the naked eye and would sit flush with the wall or the ceiling, having just penetrated the surface.

The devices were connected to a scan detector. Finally, everything had to be hardwired into the powerboard of the house. It was delicate, highly technical work that required time to execute properly. Time alone in the house. But how could they install all this equipment at Lynn’s place when no one was leaving the house, and his son was staying up all night playing video games?
...
The only option, the last resort, was a “hot install” – covertly installing the surveillance equipment in the house in the dead of night while people were in it
...
At around 1am a dark HiAce glided into Caroline Springs and pulled up opposite the target house. Three fit men slipped out the rear door and walked quietly across the road. Two held small carry-bags, while the third gripped a Bogota rake (a type of lock pick) and a tension wrench, instruments that the team used to neutralise the deadlock on the front door swiftly and silently.

Once inside they worked quickly, precisely and in complete silence in the rooms and the roof cavity while the house’s occupants slept. All except Lynn’s son, who was still on his PlayStation. The real danger was disturbing the boy.

At 3.37am a signal from the living room appeared on the screens of the Comms monitoring room at Missing Persons HQ. Then another from the dining room. Then one from the kitchen … and finally, an excruciating seven-and-a-half minutes later, from the main bedroom. It was all done and the team was out before 4am.
...

Edit: This is an edited extract from In the Dead of Night: A Mysterious Disappearance, a Brazen Murderer and the Police Who Hunted Him Down by Greg Haddrick (Allen & Unwin), out on October 29.'
 
  • #473
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  • #475
I'm just amazed at how they did it.
Also the way they could put devices in that would be too tiny to be noticed.

If GL was half as smart as he thought he was he should have had the house checked for bugs, plus kept his big mouth shut.

If that was my house it might have been harder, I wake up at the slightest noise.
 
  • #476
I'm not Tootsie - but, here you go...

Here is part of it - remember whilst Melbourne was in lockdown due to Covid19 - most people were at home and the warrant was running out - they decided to go "in" whilst all family members were present/asleep (including the gamer-son)

IMO - Amazing work, by 3 fit men (phoar) - and no doubt with night-goggles on !! (think TRG - tactical response/SOG's)
*******************************************************************************************************************************************

'Inside the high-stakes police surveillance operation that brought down Greg Lynn

Normally, after being granted warrants to covertly install surveillance equipment, they would spend a few days monitoring the patterns of the household and identify an hour or two when they could be reasonably certain no one was in the house.

A specialised team would quickly enter and install tiny devices through ceiling cavities and wall cavities. The tips of these devices, each no bigger than a pin, were almost invisible to the naked eye and would sit flush with the wall or the ceiling, having just penetrated the surface.

The devices were connected to a scan detector. Finally, everything had to be hardwired into the powerboard of the house. It was delicate, highly technical work that required time to execute properly. Time alone in the house. But how could they install all this equipment at Lynn’s place when no one was leaving the house, and his son was staying up all night playing video games?
...
The only option, the last resort, was a “hot install” – covertly installing the surveillance equipment in the house in the dead of night while people were in it
...
At around 1am a dark HiAce glided into Caroline Springs and pulled up opposite the target house. Three fit men slipped out the rear door and walked quietly across the road. Two held small carry-bags, while the third gripped a Bogota rake (a type of lock pick) and a tension wrench, instruments that the team used to neutralise the deadlock on the front door swiftly and silently.

Once inside they worked quickly, precisely and in complete silence in the rooms and the roof cavity while the house’s occupants slept. All except Lynn’s son, who was still on his PlayStation. The real danger was disturbing the boy.

At 3.37am a signal from the living room appeared on the screens of the Comms monitoring room at Missing Persons HQ. Then another from the dining room. Then one from the kitchen … and finally, an excruciating seven-and-a-half minutes later, from the main bedroom. It was all done and the team was out before 4am.
...

Edit: This is an edited extract from In the Dead of Night: A Mysterious Disappearance, a Brazen Murderer and the Police Who Hunted Him Down by Greg Haddrick (Allen & Unwin), out on October 29.'

It is interesting to note, in the article, that the police discovered that Lynn had no friends to talk to about how he felt about things. So he talked to himself when no-one was around.

The police were running out of time (on their warrant and the judge wouldn't renew) so they ramped up things by putting out a press release about the status of the investigation on Triple M news, which Lynn heard while in his car.

Lynn also made a comment about ballistics, and you'd think they would want samples of his ammo.
And (suddenly said, out of nowhere) that if they do, we know they can put a tracker on it.

And he was emotionally volatile - about slow service in a cafe, about something a DJ said on the radio, at a broken washing machine, about a barking dog (not the first time we have heard that!)
 
  • #477
It would be hard to believe that VICPOL, or, for that matter, any AU POL , did not pursue these same tactics, when necessary. Highly trained operatives, and equipment would most likely be put to work on any , all operations that had an opening to exercise the whole apparatus..
Like, when murderers just tootle around, saying nothing, going off to work, off to a fishing trip, going to work with Dad at electrical sites, strolling around the Air Force base,, barking orders and being all spivvy in a uniform, lowly Other Ranks having to salute, all the time being recorded, filmed, gaslit, and prodded into mistakes..

Lot of money invested into all this equipment and training, and once it is seen to pay off, the recouping of the expenditure is probably doubled next year. .. .
 
  • #478
I'm just amazed at how they did it.
Also the way they could put devices in that would be too tiny to be noticed.

If GL was half as smart as he thought he was he should have had the house checked for bugs, plus kept his big mouth shut.

If that was my house it might have been harder, I wake up at the slightest noise.

lol @TootsieFootsie - my Persian cat often stares at the ceiling, with eyes wide open and frisky!
I'm sure he can hear things I cant !!
Cat is far more talkative than I.
Cat snores and I snore too - so it's a symphony at our place ! (hardly interesting conversation - "OH GOOD BOY" etc)

I do wonder when they went back into Caroline Springs and retrieved the "devices" (after GL's arrest ?)
Assets are assets.

I always have more and more questions.

I keep thinking of the movie Mission Impossible... Tom Cruise stealth x 3 !!! Three fit men (shall I say it again - lol, PHOAR)
 
  • #479
Now that the DPP have the conviction for Carol's murder, it could be that the DPP goes back to court, with an appeal against the verdict for Russell. It is not only the defendant who gets to appeal. If the DPP thinks they got a raw deal, they can appeal with the same entitlement that Lynn has, they can apply to re-litigate on the strength of the conviction for Carol.

The judge might say, welll.. you should have tried him for Carol's murder first, ( and there must be a reason why they did not ) so bad luck, but then, it could be that the judge sees it differently and allows it to proceed..
 
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  • #480
Now that the DPP have the conviction for Carol's murder, it could be that the DPP goes back to court, with an appeal against the verdict for Russell. It is not only the defendant who gets to appeal. If the DPP thinks they got a raw deal, they can appeal with the same entitlement that Lynn has, they can apply to re-litigate on the strength of the conviction for Carol.

The judge might say, welll.. you should have tried him for Carol's murder first, ( and there must be a reason why they did not ) so bad luck, but then, it could be that the judge sees it differently and allows it to proceed..

I don't think the DPP can appeal a not guilty verdict, they can only appeal a sentence.

And I think that only fresh and compelling evidence will overcome the double jeopardy rule and allow a retrial.


If the jury finds the accused not guilty of the crime, the accused person is free to go. This is called an acquittal. The prosecution cannot appeal against an acquittal.


The only exception to the double jeopardy rule is if the case has fresh and compelling evidence that compels a Court to order a retrial if it is in the interests of justice.
 

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