Still Missing Australia - Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat, 4 Feb 2024 *Arrest* #13

[Ron Jeremy]

BBM : I agree, can't wait to hear from Doctor Matthew Sorrell, an expert in digital forensic science.

I agree Sleuth… Dr Sorrells work will be absolutely fascinating to see.

 

[Trooper]

I agree Sleuth… Dr Sorrells work will be absolutely fascinating to see.

Dr Sorrells stuff way back in 2017 , in the Cardomone case was nothing short of meticulous, he tracked that murdering idiot all over north east Victoria, minute by minute, and in the end, nailed not only Cardamone but his even stupider sidekick and then his ridiculous mother, who involved herself in a classic sting op.

Tech stuff is even more sophisticated now, so what he will testify in this case is of terrific interest, to me, as well...

 

[drsleuth]

Dr Sorrells stuff way back in 2017 , in the Cardomone case was nothing short of meticulous, he tracked that murdering idiot all over north east Victoria, minute by minute, and in the end, nailed not only Cardamone but his even stupider sidekick and then his ridiculous mother, who involved herself in a classic sting op.

Tech stuff is even more sophisticated now, so what he will testify in this case is of terrific interest, to me, as well...

I just made the mistake of reading that case Troops

Some people just don't deserve to breath the same oxygen we do

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[Mandala]

The motive in this case is what interests me. They obviously have enough evidence to nail him.

 

[Bats]

In thinking about what his reason could be for pleading "not guilty", the majority of scenarios that i can think of, he would probably benefit from pleading guilty. He may flat out know he's not guilty but police don't waste their time and resources on a hunch either.

I wonder if his story could be one of self-defense? Strange, I know.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

and apparently, quite comfortable being in the Remand Centre.. In no hurry to exit, no mention of applying for bail, no report of applying for bail and being knocked back... just sitting quietly, apart from a few 'issues' to begin with, which seem to have been addressed and rectified.... no reports of anyone setting up a surety of bail for him, like his family or work colleagues..... just him sitting round in the Remand Centre, other blokes coming and going, but not him...

Might be his (comparitively) safe place under the circumstances?

 

[CredibleSauce]

In thinking about what his reason could be for pleading "not guilty", the majority of scenarios that i can think of, he would probably benefit from pleading guilty. He may flat out know he's not guilty but police don't waste their time and resources on a hunch either.

I wonder if his story could be one of self-defense? Strange, I know.

Scenarios I can think of: Arrogance, indignation, thinks he’s smarter than the cops/courts etc etc

 

[olaselo]

Scenarios I can think of: Arrogance, indignation, thinks he’s smarter than the cops/courts etc etc

Here's another I can think of: Fear of retribution

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Here's another I can think of: Fear of retribution

Perhaps of the 2 wheel type, even?

So looking forward to the details being made public in this one.

 

[Bats]

Scenarios I can think of: Arrogance, indignation, thinks he’s smarter than the cops/courts etc etc

I thought that too initially but the more I think about it, the less sense it makes.

Here's another I can think of: Fear of retribution

Wouldn't that be a pretty good reason to cooperate though? It's in the law's best interest to protect him.

 

[Aldertraccia]

In thinking about what his reason could be for pleading "not guilty", the majority of scenarios that i can think of, he would probably benefit from pleading guilty. He may flat out know he's not guilty but police don't waste their time and resources on a hunch either.

I wonder if his story could be one of self-defense? Strange, I know.

She is out for a run, he is on his way home from all night out, he takes short cut through bush to avoid police, their paths cross.
I also consider the daughters words to the effect; "to end this fight". From the first time they spoke to press. Something is going on at home. I think there is more to this case.
He may be in remand for protection.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

In thinking about what his reason could be for pleading "not guilty", the majority of scenarios that i can think of, he would probably benefit from pleading guilty. He may flat out know he's not guilty but police don't waste their time and resources on a hunch either.

I wonder if his story could be one of self-defense? Strange, I know.

If he pleads guilty he becomes just another murderous crim who won’t attract any more attention, but who society will look upon as just that - a murderer, if he pleads NG, he will always have one up on everyone including VICPOL and will keep a level of control.

 

[Bats]

If he pleads guilty he becomes just another murderous crim who won’t attract any more attention, but who society will look upon as just that - a murderer, if he pleads NG, he will always have one up on everyone including VICPOL and will keep a level of control.

That's true, though he won't have one up his sleeve if there is overwhelming evidence that a murder has taken place. He's only going to come across as being more stupid than everyone thought. Most control is lost when you're sentenced to life in prison.

 

[SouthAussie]

His lawyer just has to convince TWO jury members that there is reasonable doubt and he is free.
I can't see why he would plead anything but 'not guilty'. It is probably worth it to him to take that chance.


majority verdict means—
(a) if, at the time of returning its verdict, the jury consists of 12 jurors—a verdict on which 11 of them agree;
(b) if, at the time of returning its verdict, the jury consists of 11 jurors—a verdict on which 10 of them agree;
(c) if, at the time of returning its verdict, the jury consists of 10 jurors—a verdict on which 9 of them agree.

JURIES ACT 2000 - SECT 46 Failure to reach unanimous verdict in criminal trials

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[bearbear]

if i murdered someone, i would plead not guilty right to the end, as an optimistic, innocent until proven guilty, keeping some control of my destiny, once you plead guilty its all over

 

[Dotta]

His lawyer just has to convince ONE jury member that there is reasonable doubt and he is free.
I can't see why he would plead anything but 'not guilty'. It is probably worth it to him to take that chance.


majority verdict means—
(a) if, at the time of returning its verdict, the jury consists of 12 jurors—a verdict on which 11 of them agree;
(b) if, at the time of returning its verdict, the jury consists of 11 jurors—a verdict on which 10 of them agree;
(c) if, at the time of returning its verdict, the jury consists of 10 jurors—a verdict on which 9 of them agree.

JURIES ACT 2000 - SECT 46 Failure to reach unanimous verdict in criminal trials

classic.austlii.edu.au

It all depends on evidence Police have.
It seems to me LE is certain of murder charge and the perp who committed it.

The accused was detained pretty quickly and charged with murder.
Even without the body of poor victim.

JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

She is out for a run, he is on his way home from all night out, he takes short cut through bush to avoid police, their paths cross.
I also consider the daughters words to the effect; "to end this fight". From the first time they spoke to press. Something is going on at home. I think there is more to this case.
He may be in remand for protection.

What the daughter actually said is that ... "mum's a really strong woman, and she is far too determined to give up this fight. I know she is out there somewhere. So if you can please continue to search for her ..... "

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Doesn't sound to me that anything was going on at home. More that Jess thought/hoped that Sam was abducted and not killed. Because she could see absolutely no reason why someone would want to kill her mother. And who knows who would have abducted Sam. Perhaps some violent loner. imo

 

[SouthAussie]

It all depends on evidence Police have.
It seems to me LE is certain of murder charge and the perp who committed it.

The accused was detained pretty quickly and charged with murder.
Even without the body of poor victim.

JMO

I am certainly not saying that there is not sufficient evidence. Just to be clear.

What I am saying is that sometimes a jury doesn't get it right.

I have just finished a book called 7 Bones by former Aussie detective, Peter Seymour. A jury actually found a murderous husband not guilty of murdering his 2nd wife, despite overwhelming evidence. Peter Seymour said the jury 'left their brains at home'.
This same husband - Thomas Keir - was much later found guilty of (also) murdering his 1st wife.

imo

 

[Ron Jeremy]

That's true, though he won't have one up his sleeve if there is overwhelming evidence that a murder has taken place. He's only going to come across as being more stupid than everyone thought. Most control is lost when you're sentenced to life in prison.

True bats, and I guess this is where we have to wait and see what the prosecution have on the accused. If they’ve got rock solid video or other media footage/images/witnesses that irrefutably hangs the accused you’d have to think a guilty plea would be the only option..The accused plea indicates to me he’s seen the evidence and thinks there’s still a way out of this as in the accused mind “ no one saw me do it”

Just my own opinion of course..

 

[Cedars]

if i murdered someone, i would plead not guilty right to the end, as an optimistic, innocent until proven guilty, keeping some control of my destiny, once you plead guilty its all over

Plus, there's a huge amount of shame to overcome in confessing what you've done to your family and friends.

Who are all these humble, cooperative, eager-to-confess murderers over there in Aus? I only know about Justin Stein, Greg Lynn, Gerard Baden-Clay.

JMO