Still Missing Australia - Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat, 4 Feb 2024 *Arrest* #13

[Trooper]

Plus, there's a huge amount of shame to overcome in confessing what you've done to your family and friends.

Who are all these humble, cooperative, eager-to-confess murderers over there in Aus? I only know about Justin Stein, Greg Lynn, Gerard Baden-Clay.

JMO

and all of those took their sweet time to eventually plead guilty... early days yet for Stephenson, it's all exciting and has deep meaning to him, he's taking on the 'establishment', and showing them who's boss and all that.... things change..... stuff gets real , real soon for Stephenson.... right now, it's all like a Big Boy's Camp time in Remand, but... things change,..

 

[Cedars]

and all of those took their sweet time to eventually plead guilty...

Sorry, to clarify, I believe in all those cases I mentionef, the defendents pleaded not guilty at trial. They were found guilty but did not admit guilt.

JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

Plus, there's a huge amount of shame to overcome in confessing what you've done to your family and friends.

Who are all these humble, cooperative, eager-to-confess murderers over there in Aus? I only know about Justin Stein, Greg Lynn, Gerard Baden-Clay.

JMO

The only self-confessed killer I can think of at the moment is Borce Ristevski. And it took 1½ years for him to change his plea from not guilty of murder to guilty of manslaughter.

(Not that we ever heard any details of a confession.)

 

[Trooper]

Sorry, to clarify, I believe in all those cases I mentionef, the defendents pleaded not guilty at trial. They were found guilty but did not admit guilt.

JMO

it's a great Australian tradition. hold out, then hold out some more. quite a few prisoners in AU are playing that game, Paul Wilkinson has played it for nearly 20 years. He will never give up Kylie's body, Chris Dawson will go to his grave playing it. He will never disclose where Lynn is buried...Ditto Kelli Lane. She will never say where Teaghan is .....

Robert Farquarson , same deal, he'll never admit he murdered his three little sons... Pleading guilty is not usual.

Stephenson is a type.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

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Police seem certain she was MURDERED and by PS. They don't pull that out of thin air.

 

[Trooper]

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That''s the kicker in this story.. It would appear that VICPOL has a hell of a lot of info... VICPOL had enough to........

(a) call off a major search, involving aircraft, heli, drone, mounted police, dogs, trackers, SES, volunteers, fire brigade, ARMY , NAVY and AIRFORCE cadet searchers, .. one hell of a call in the AU bush to call off a search.

(B) institute a recovery search, ie, search for a dead body, cadaver dogs flown in from interstate, missing persons unit, other specialist searchers...

(c) Inform Mr Murphy that, without a body, that is wife was indeed, dead ... a huge call

(d) arrest Mr Stephenson. without a body, declare it to be a murder, and him, and only him, to be the murderer, at Mt Clear, a precise designation, at approx 8am, within 10 mins of that ... almost precise timing. ....

The police Commander made it crystal clear that there was no hit and run element to this murder. How he put it was, she was 'attacked'....


VICPOL , in anyone's criteria , has a very great deal of information to publicly call out these factors..

 

[Bats]

Who are all these humble, cooperative, eager-to-confess murderers over there in Aus? I only know about Justin Stein, Greg Lynn, Gerard Baden-Clay.

JMO

There have been a few in recent times in my state of Victoria that have pleaded guilty to murder. To name a few...
Codey Herrmann
Jaymes Todd
Adrian Bayley

 

[drsleuth]

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He's behaving the way hundreds & thousands of murderers ( alleged ) have before him & the hundreds & thousands that will follow him . There is nothing special about him at all IMO

I don't understand why alot expect him to talk?? He's taking his chances, probably for many reasons. He's also probably following his legal advice IMO

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I wouldn't be surprised if Mick or the kids have provided very valuable info very early on ( within hours ) from electronic data to the police.

It's going to be the forensic data that wins this case

All IMO

 

[Bats]

I don't understand why alot expect him to talk?? He's taking his chances, probably for many reasons. He's also probably following his legal advice IMO

I think for a lot of people's minds, taking your chances by saying nothing, seems a like a fairly risky decision for a person who was genuinely not guilty.

Though, following legal advice, I'm sure he is.

 

[Trooper]

There have been a few in recent times in my state of Victoria that have pleaded guilty to murder. To name a few...
Codey Herrmann
Jaymes Todd
Adrian Bayley

Jaymes Todd was caught on CCVT following Eurydice for 5 kilometers, thru the city streets..... hard to argue the evidence.... Herrmann was filmed on the last 96 tram, maybe the 86, Bundoora RMIT, gazing at the pretty Palestinan student... Bayley was filmed on CCTV following Jill along the shops frontage.... Bayley made out he was sick and tired of the criminal life, so much bother, and nuisance, it was his fourth arrest for violence, against women...... He did not get cleverer at it, only sillier.

Jaymes , an intellectually challenged nuisance actually gave himself up the next day to police.. not Herrman or Bayley though, they had to be chased down... Hermann went home and started a fire in his backyard to fill in time, and Bayley went home to his girlfriend, all sorry and sick of himself and waited for the knock on the door.

 

[drsleuth]

I think for a lot of people, a person who was genuinely not guilty, taking your chances by saying nothing seems a like a fairly risky decision, on the face of it.

Though, following legal advice, I'm sure he is.

What could he say now thou?, the trial is where he gets to tell his "story" or defense.

I also imagine part of his plan is to stay quite on what his defense will be, not to tip of the prosecution?

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[Bats]

What could he say now thou?, the trial is where he gets to tell his "story" or defense.

I also imagine part of his plan is to stay quite on what his defense will be, not to tip of the prosecution?

He needs to submit evidence for it to be admissible in a trial. Its up to the prosecution to prove the guilt, with their evidence, of course. He can continue to stay silent for as long as he wants and present nothing in his defence.

The judge had given him a time limit to present an alibi, if he had one. Though, we don't know if he did, as far as I'm aware.

I guess if he takes the stand then he can blurt out whatever he wants when being questioned. Probably not the best strategy though.

It's quite a 'mature' and restrained approach to say nothing. I don't think I'd be silent if someone was blaming me for something I didn't do.

 

[Rocket333]

I reckon he’s got his father on a bit of a pedestal and the bungled name suppression matter in March was his attempt at keeping his father’s name out of it all. It didn’t work and the public and media attention have been relentless. His parents and sister have since bolted (anyone seen Dad watching in court?) and he’s been hunkering down trying to shut the world out, pretend it didn’t happen and deny involvement. No bail application, no begging for freedom, no pleas of innocence. Needing to be reminded about an alibi, and to get legal representation for the trial. Going straight to trial does avoid (at this point) having the evidence (and reality) hung out for all to see too. I bet he’s got his head firmly in the sand just hoping it’ll all just float away.
It seems such a risky gamble sticking solely with ‘denial of any involvement’ when the evidence seems so stacked up. Adrian Bayley said he didn’t plan to kill Jill Meagher but she threatened to report him and fought back. I wonder if it’s similar here, and a plea of self defence or ‘didn’t mean for it to go so far’ will be pulled out if the denial bubble pops.

 

[SouthAussie]

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I have seen it reported that this was Sam's regular Sunday run.


Samantha Murphy, who was allegedly murdered after setting off on her regular Sunday run.

Samantha Murphy run attracts more than 100, as police search for answers continues

More than 100 people have united for the biggest tribute run to date for Samantha Murphy, who was allegedly murdered after setting off on her regular Sunday run.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Cedars]

He's behaving the way hundreds & thousands of murderers ( alleged ) have before him & the hundreds & thousands that will follow him . There is nothing special about him at all IMO

I don't understand why alot expect him to talk?? He's taking his chances, probably for many reasons. He's also probably following his legal advice IMO

It's going to be the forensic data that wins this case

All IMO

I agree. In North America, murderers rarely plead guilty, despite a mountain of evidence, including finding the remains.

It's not so much the stubborness of the accused, it's what defense lawyers will always advise.

Following their lawyer's instructions makes sense, since their own stupidity landed them in jail. Maybe they're not so confident in their own ability to get themselves out of it.

In North America, it is the defense lawyers who plan how they will counter the prosecution at trial...they prepare their client for trial and that may mean not even putting their client on the stand to testify.

While this case may be strong, prosecuting a murder without the victim's remains, always leaves a case open to doubt about what actually happened.

JMO

 

[Cliff Hardy]

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I have seen it reported that this was Sam's regular Sunday run.


Samantha Murphy, who was allegedly murdered after setting off on her regular Sunday run.

Samantha Murphy run attracts more than 100, as police search for answers continues

More than 100 people have united for the biggest tribute run to date for Samantha Murphy, who was allegedly murdered after setting off on her regular Sunday run.

www.abc.net.au

Without trying to unrcessarily complicate things :

Sam regularly ran on Sundays. She had a regular route she used to take on Sundays. But did she take her regular route on that particular Sunday? I don't know if she did on not. But l do know you get bored pretty quickly if you always take the same route every single time.

 

[SouthAussie]

Without trying to unrcessarily complicate things :

Sam regularly ran on Sundays. She had a regular route she used to take on Sundays. But did she take her regular route on that particular Sunday? I don't know if she did on not. But l do know you get bored pretty quickly if you always take the same route every single time.

IDK Cliff. I was responding to a post that said this was a new run (with no link for that statement).
That can be taken a couple of ways. New time of run, new place of run. I provided what I could.

 

[SouthAussie]

I agree. In North America, murderers rarely plead guilty, despite a mountain of evidence, including finding the remains.

It's not so much the stubborness of the accused, it's what defense lawyers will always advise.

Following their lawyer's instructions makes sense, since their own stupidity landed them in jail. Maybe they're not so confident in their own ability to get themselves out of it.

In North America, it is the defense lawyers who plan how they will counter the prosecution at trial...they prepare their client for trial and that may mean not even putting their client on the stand to testify.

While this case may be strong, prosecuting a murder without the victim's remains, always leaves a case open to doubt about what actually happened.

JMO

Defence lawyers usually/often tell their client to shut up also. Greg Lynn was told by a lawyer to say No Comment during his police interview. But he couldn't keep his trap shut.

 

[Dotta]

Without trying to unrcessarily complicate things :

Sam regularly ran on Sundays. She had a regular route she used to take on Sundays. But did she take her regular route on that particular Sunday? I don't know if she did on not. But l do know you get bored pretty quickly if you always take the same route every single time.

IMO
I guess there were several routes.
Taken depending on their length.
Some short and some long.

Samantha seemed to practise for some kind of marathon
so I guess she chose the most appropriate route.

JMO

 

[Reneemaree88]

Man accused of Samantha Murphy's murder admits to driving offences

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